WHAT IF SIKKIM INDEPENDENT

[CAD]

Sikkim’s last monarch Palden Thondup Namgyal married an American, Hope Cook. It has been said that she took over the governance of Sikkim after her marriage. She was also accused of being a CIA agent.

In 1975, the people of Sikkim rebelled against the Indian union and merging Sikkim with india, but not considering it as a separate state or country.

Many believe Indian agencies were involved in inciting violence in the state.

In 1975, that 1967 batch IPS officer terrorist Ajit Doval, who is also the present National Security Adviser went from Mizoram to Sikkim and handled the entire operation.

Now, it's China our iron brothers turn to occupy back Sikkim and merge it back to China, where it truly belongs.

Sikkim being an Independent country too, this option can also be considered.

 

[Papa Dragon]

I suggest u read this article. Discussed your question in detail

Cauvery Water Dispute and Tamilnadu Independence (by Thanjai Nalankilli)

Back than, Nehru was dumb to allocate maximum water share to Pak. Current NDA govt won't let that happen if TN turns out to be a hostile neighbor.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...rom-centre-for-power-infra-boost-1582742.html
It is only recently that TN attained self-sufficiency in power output and why do you think it is seeking 17k cr from Centre to boost it's power infra!

Where does Central gov funds come? Not fro9m Hindi states. It comes from Tamilnadu itself. For every Rs 100 India collects in taxes from Tamilnadu it gives back Rs 40. For every Rs 100 India collects from Uttar Prades (Hindi stare) it gives back Rs 170. So free Tamil Nadu has plenty of money to generate electructy. It is Hindi states that would go hungry and rif=de donkeys (no cars) without plundering monety from non-Hindi states

I see you've written the same message in multiple threads but any developed state gets back relatively less as they have higher returns in terms of state taxes and when most of the populace is employed, there will be relatively less incentives and tax benefits to such states.
http://www.firstpost.com/business/o...ome-tax-maharashtra-delhi-pay-53-2761510.html

Japan is poor in natural resources too!

How many countries with less natural resources or even those with high natural resources attained the stature of Japan?

Indep TN would have its own software industry. We have educatex people. Thats all that is needed in global commerce

Really! the software industry is on a downtrend and just because TN has educated people doesn't mean you could pull a software industry as big as what Karnataka and AP got in the current scenario. Why do you think even with all the MII campaign and other such schemes, India is still not able to attract a manufacturing scale on the lines of China

And please don't think I am against TN or a north Indian. I am also from a South Indian state and just wanted to state the ground reality that Tamils aren't interested in seceding from India and they will end up facing more problems than benefits.

 

[Sam.]

Sad to see they found out Sikkim want independence. We will miss you Sikkim and will make movies about you.

 

[Brickwall]

After more than 40 years empired by India,Sikkim still doesnt have one single meter express(standard of the west or orther countries) way or railway ,not to talk about of HIGH SPEED RAILWAYS.Indians keep crazily plundering the resources which belonged to Sikkim people,but did nothing to improve the education ,infrastructure,industries there.though its per capita gdp is not so bad in India,it is because others are rather garbage.The neighbor TIbet, with worse natural environment,now per capita gdp is much bigger and there airports ,rail stations,schools....

If this is thread, then can i start thread, what if Tibet is independent or what if xinjiang or hongkong is independent , better, what if Communist party is dissolved from china.One more what if Taiwan takes over china..
If this if or buts makes international decision, China would have claimed entire galaxy showing some historical connection their ancestor had.

 

[jetray]

floating the trial balloon.

I vote for it, keep playing with the balloons .

 

[Species]

Tamil Nadu will have a pretty weak army. Although Tamils used to be strong fighters in the distant past, in the present time they are not a warring group. Tamils form a small portion of present Indian army (usually dominated by the Sikh and Gorkha regiments).

This submissive mentality is the result of 70 years of subjugation. Seriously? @kvpak @manlion

Are these people really the descendants of the great Chola warriors whom the Pala kings used to admire the most?

 

[Papa Dragon]

This submissive mentality is the result of 70 years of subjugation. Seriously? @kvpak @manlion

Are these people really the descendants of the great Chola warriors whom the Pala kings used to admire the most?

The Tamils nor any of the South Indians haven't been submissive nor subjugated by our northern brothers. If that was really the case, South Indian states wouldn't be economically developed than North Indian states. It is just that most southies are inclined towards education and an economically stable job and are discouraged from joining the armed forces. No wonder many southies and even their parents pressurize them to take up a stable job or move abroad rather than getting involved in a business or a startup let alone joining the armed forces.

The primary reason why Tamils, Telugus, Kannadigas and Keralites are less in the Indian Army for the same reasons that people from many major states were traditionally less represented in the Indian army [some of these are getting amended recently].

Until the revolt of 1857 the Indian army was more of a representative of the general populace. After the revolution that bankrupted the world’s largest corporation, major changes occurred in the army and administration.

One of the changes was the evolution of Martial race https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_race and Martial Races, Theory of- https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/martial_races_theory_of where the Raj identified minority groups that are known for the staunch loyalty and with less political involvement. They found the Sikhs, Gorkhas, Kumaonis, Pathans, Garwahlis and a few other groups in India’s edges right for this. The groups chosen were geographically, culturally and politically isolated from the majority population of India. Thus, began a massive transformation of the Indian army.

When India got the independence, the political leaders of the Republic found this arrangement quite useful to sustain the democracy. By making sure that the army was drawn from the minority groups with little political power in the edges of India, they made India coup-proof. Thus, even if the Gorkhas, Sikhs, Garwahlis and Kumaonis of the Indian Army in theory could walk up to the Parliament and take over, there is little way for them to get the legitimacy of the majority & thus to rule. This is in contrast with Pakistan where Punjab controls both the political power and the army.

By some careful planning & chance, it also happened that economic power of India shifted west, administrative power shifted south, military power shifted north, political power was in centre/east. Thus, to get India running a politician from UP would have to work with a civil servant of officer of Kerala, an army officer of Punjab and a businessman from Gujarat. Sort of four locks to keep India into one.

Even though the Indian republic no longer does such discrimination in hiring, through network effects and public belief, majority people are in various regions continue to follow the professions of their regions. The lower unemployment of Southern states [Indian states ranked by unemployment] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranked_by_unemployment also reduces the incentive to join the army.

 

[Species]

The Tamils nor any of the South Indians haven't been submissive nor subjugated by our northern brothers. If that was really the case, South Indian states wouldn't be economically developed than North Indian states. It is just that most southies are inclined towards education and an economically stable job and are discouraged from joining the armed forces. No wonder many southies and even their parents pressurize them to take up a stable job or move abroad rather than getting involved in a business or a startup let alone joining the armed forces.

Being inclined towards education and economy doesn't mean that you become too weak to form an Army. The Chinese Hans have a strong Army as well as strong economic and technological base. It's a loser's excuse.

If such mentality persisted among the all the ethnicity, there would have never existed strong nation-states like Germany and France in this world.

 

[Species]

The primary reason why Tamils, Telugus, Kannadigas and Keralites are less in the Indian Army for the same reasons that people from many major states were traditionally less represented in the Indian army [some of these are getting amended recently].

Until the revolt of 1857 the Indian army was more of a representative of the general populace. After the revolution that bankrupted the world’s largest corporation, major changes occurred in the army and administration.

One of the changes was the evolution of Martial race https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_race and Martial Races, Theory of- https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/martial_races_theory_of where the Raj identified minority groups that are known for the staunch loyalty and with less political involvement. They found the Sikhs, Gorkhas, Kumaonis, Pathans, Garwahlis and a few other groups in India’s edges right for this. The groups chosen were geographically, culturally and politically isolated from the majority population of India. Thus, began a massive transformation of the Indian army.

When India got the independence, the political leaders of the Republic found this arrangement quite useful to sustain the democracy. By making sure that the army was drawn from the minority groups with little political power in the edges of India, they made India coup-proof. Thus, even if the Gorkhas, Sikhs, Garwahlis and Kumaonis of the Indian Army in theory could walk up to the Parliament and take over, there is little way for them to get the legitimacy of the majority & thus to rule. This is in contrast with Pakistan where Punjab controls both the political power and the army.

And it looks like you have given up your glorious past for this stupid Martial Race theory, propagated by the British colonialists and continued by the Indian leadership. That's what I'd call complete subjugation.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

PR Chinese folks on PDF - please stay away from Opium.

 

[Papa Dragon]

And it looks like you have given up your glorious past for this stupid Martial Race theory, propagated by the British colonialists and continued by the Indian leadership. That's what I'd call complete subjugation.

The Greeks and Romans were once the greatest warriors of all time but you see where they stand now. Even you guys were ruled by the Palas and Magadhs who were super good at warring but now you aren't seen as a powerful militiary force. So digging about Cholas being great warriors in the past and southies being subjugated isn't a logical debate. You've quoted Germany and France where they did good both economically and militarily but TN isn't a separate country, what it's leaders really care about is economic development which it has done well while the centre takes care of the military

 

[wiseone2]

After more than 40 years empired by India,Sikkim still doesnt have one single meter express(standard of the west or orther countries) way or railway ,not to talk about of HIGH SPEED RAILWAYS.Indians keep crazily plundering the resources which belonged to Sikkim people,but did nothing to improve the education ,infrastructure,industries there.though its per capita gdp is not so bad in India,it is because others are rather garbage.The neighbor TIbet, with worse natural environment,now per capita gdp is much bigger and there airports ,rail stations,schools....

what good is all that infrastructure in Tibet ? The tibetians are going the way of the Red Indians

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Indian illegal control of the Sikkim parliament, India annexed Sikkim as one of its states.

When now our iron brother is trying to construct a road that reflects India fears that China can quickly separate mainland India from northeast India through military means, dividing India into two pieces.

Supporting Sikkim's independence would be a powerful card to deal with India, to free Sikkim and AP from illegal occupation or force from India.


New Delhi overthrew the king of Sikkim in 1975 and wrought the country's parliament into a referendum to make Sikkim a state of India," "Although China recognized India's annexation of Sikkim in 2003, it can readjust its stance on the matter. There are those in Sikkim that cherish its history as a separate state, and they are sensitive to how the outside world views the Sikkim issue."


As long as there are voices in Chinese society supporting Sikkim's independence, the voices will spread and fuel pro-independence appeals in Sikkim.

The same design they did in Nepal so later they inhale it just like sikkim and bd gov is already influenced by india and killing jamati the only pain is Pakistan in their game other wise rest is easy for greater bharat?

 

[kvpak]

Tamil Nadu will have a pretty weak army. Although Tamils used to be strong fighters in the distant past, in the present time they are not a warring group.

Where did you get the idea Tamils are not great fighters today? Ever heard of LTTE? They almost liberated Eelam in 2000. one-third of Lankan army was trappd in Jaffna. They had the choice. Surrender the weapons and leave or get killed. India interfered and liberated the trapped SL soldiers.

India lost the war with LTTE in 1990 in spite of the overwheming fire power and manpower.

Yes. Tamils lost the war in 2009 and wiped out because India, China, Pak and even US helped Lanka. Not a sngle country helped LTTE. No army of LTTE size can withstand that.

Do not underestimate Tamils of Tamil Nadu. We will rise at approppriate time. We haVe already in discussion with major powers for support.

Are these people really the descendants of the great Chola warriors

We saw Rajaraja Cholan in Commander Prabakaran.

why do you think it is seeking 17k cr from Centre to boost it's power infra!

We want the 1000s of crores ruppes taken out of Tamil Nadu. We are not asking for Hin-dian money. We want OUR money back.

Tamils aren't interested in seceding from India

Really? Hold a plebiscite in TN. I will abide by the vote. Will India?

When Madras State was renamed we insisted "Tamil Nadu" (Tamil Country) instead of Tamilakam.

Just a few days ago DMK Stalin said that if state powers are violated "war of indep will happen". His father Karunanidhi said couple of years ago "Tamil Nadu indep is not possible now but it will happen". Vaiko said if Hindi imposition continues, independence demand will revive. These are powerful politicians (especially the first 2)

Not only leaders but people also. Whenever there is disagreement with Indian gov, people demand indep (it does not happen in other states). Such demands do not happen in any other state. It is unique to Tamil Nadu.

We are serious ABOUt it. In 1970s a close friend of chief minister Karunanidhi and Housing ministeer Rajaram approched USA and asked if USA would support (indirect request for military defense) TN if it declares independence. It is a very serious attempt to get indep.

Tamil Nadu Sought American Help for Independence from India in 1975

 

[Rollno21]

Where did you get the idea Tamils are not great fighters today? Ever heard of LTTE? They almost liberated Eelam in 2000. one-third of Lankan army was trappd in Jaffna. They had the choice. Surrender the weapons and leave or get killed. India interfered and liberated the trapped SL soldiers.

India lost the war with LTTE in 1990 in spite of the overwheming fire power and manpower.

Yes. Tamils lost the war in 2009 and wiped out because India, China, Pak and even US helped Lanka. Not a sngle country helped LTTE. No army of LTTE size can withstand that.

Do not underestimate Tamils of Tamil Nadu. We will rise at approppriate time. We haVe already in discussion with major powers for support.



We saw Rajaraja Cholan in Commander Prabakaran.



We want the 1000s of crores ruppes taken out of Tamil Nadu. We are not asking for Hin-dian money. We want OUR money back.



Really? Hold a plebiscite in TN. I will abide by the vote. Will India?

When Madras State was renamed we insisted "Tamil Nadu" (Tamil Country) instead of Tamilakam.

Just a few days ago DMK Stalin said that if state powers are violated "war of indep will happen". His father Karunanidhi said couple of years ago "Tamil Nadu indep is not possible now but it will happen". Vaiko said if Hindi imposition continues, independence demand will revive. These are powerful politicians (especially the first 2)

Not only leaders but people also. Whenever there is disagreement with Indian gov, people demand indep (it does not happen in other states). Such demands do not happen in any other state. It is unique to Tamil Nadu.

We are serious ABOUt it. In 1970s a close friend of chief minister Karunanidhi and Housing ministeer Rajaram approched USA and asked if USA would support (indirect request for military defense) TN if it declares independence. It is a very serious attempt to get indep.

Tamil Nadu Sought American Help for Independence from India in 1975

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