Wait, Jatt! You must differentiate between naval and aeronautic construction.
The Russian plane makers ( almost no need for an S due to consolidation of industry )
are still very up there today ... but not their shipyards!
Please check around and ask people in the know! Underfunding and so lack of projects
have almost wiped out their mil naval industry.
And I am not pushing my national products here. India will buy or associate with whomever it wants.
All I'm saying is that RU is not a credible source for big modern vessels at the moment.
Good day to you and all, Tay.
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Agreed, a lot of their yards are in need of of sweepers and new tools but they still have the designers, engineers and skilled labourers. It may not be the best of quality but the are the yards that still build Yasen class SSN. With enough money, they are credible. However they are lacking. doesn't mean India should pass up their expertise and chase after unreliable vendors.
Russia has neglected R&D for too long. Currently it is reaping fruits which USSR sowed.
In case of Shipbuilding industry, India has objectively become advanced enough that Russia could contribute very little by way of technological support. It has to go to French to build its Amphibious assault ships.
And regarding vikrant: What major thing ,except Mig-29K and arrestor wire and gears, is Russian? All major parts of Vikrant are either western or Indian. They were supposed to supply carrier grade steel, but they reneged and it was SAIL who came up with Carrier grade steel.
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Russia doesn't contribute? Arihant is what it is today because of Russian engineers and designers. How good is the Arihant? Well, its better than anything our neibhours have except the USN, despite the fact this is India's first nuclear submarine, it IS NOT Russias first.
What good is lower flyway cost when life time cost is higher?
A Mig-29K ,though a very good platform, is still objectively inferior to Rafael-M , F-35C, and future N-AMCA, and N-FGFA is neither suitable for carrier operation (due to its size and weight class) and is as much a paper plane as N-AMCA is . Using Mig-29 from a CATOBAR carrier would be a waste of that Carrier's potential.
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What good is Rafale if IN runs out of munitions for it?
That Saudi led ISIS does not have an Airforce, and no one could come out to defend it from air-attacks without being eviscerated in public opinion and being attacked by Russia, which Arabs with their useless ground armies, could not afford.
Again, even Spitfire would bomb the crap out of ISIS and their beloved goats and donkeys.
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Point stands, Russia is the 2nd most powerfull/ effective military on this planet even if they have smaller budget.
A Soviet legacy.
If India wants, it could expand its Project 15A/B program to produce cruisers, rather than Vanilla destroyers.
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Russia is a Soviet legacy. Yes, but the Delhi class was designed with inputs from Russia, hence its similarities to Sovernmy class, and where else could we find a 500+ supersonic cruise missile?
I give them enough credit, but seems like fellow Indians are not giving enough credit to Indian Shipbuilding Industry.
They have a good shipbuilding industry, but with the development in Indian shipbuilding capability over last decade and half, technological gap between Russians and Indians has narrowed down significantly.
Benefits of tying up with French or Americans is much higher than Russian in case of surface ships.
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I'll give them credit. But this compacity you see in Indian docks are their because of foreign suppliers and vendors. Not that it matters anymore, but the Russians are the ones whom "enabled" India to become a military power!
Who else will sell SSN to India? Amerika?
Who else will see 3 ton super sonic cruisemissiles with ToT and forgo the MTCR? Amerika?
Who helped India with Agni technology and canistered launch tech? Amerika?
Who helped India with underwater missile launch technology? Amerika?
The Russians have been invaluable for India. Just because India is more competent than before, does not mean India should disregard Russian mil, industrail complex. Infact, if I was a policy maker, i'd tie up with Russia on military technology as equals. Which is exactly what Putin, and Singh has done in the early century.