What if Russian Project 23000E can be base for future Indian nuclear AC.

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Nevskoye Design Bureau’s CEO, Sergey Vlasov, told TASS that the corporation was pushing ahead with research into an aircraft carrier of the future entirely of its own accord, without any terms of reference from the Navy to rely on. Vlasov speculated there may be two projects: a nuclear-powered ship with a displacement of 80,000-85,000 tonnes and some 70 aircraft on board. A non-nuclear aircraft carrier having a displacement of 55,000-65,000 tonnes will be able to carry 50-55 aircraft.
The ship carries a powerful air group of 80-90 deck-based aircraft for various combat missions. The model features a split air wing comprising navalised T-50 PAKFAs and MiG-29Ks, as well as jet-powered naval early warning aircraft, and Ka-27 naval helicopters.



New Russian 'Storm' Supercarrier Design Wows Chinese Media

Project 23000E - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Nevskoye Design Bureau’s CEO, Sergey Vlasov, told TASS that the corporation was pushing ahead with research into an aircraft carrier of the future entirely of its own accord, without any terms of reference from the Navy to rely on. Vlasov speculated there may be two projects: a nuclear-powered ship with a displacement of 80,000-85,000 tonnes and some 70 aircraft on board. A non-nuclear aircraft carrier having a displacement of 55,000-65,000 tonnes will be able to carry 50-55 aircraft.

New Russian 'Storm' Supercarrier Design Wows Chinese Media

Project 23000E - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i certainly dont trust russians when it comes to aircraft carrier.their own carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" suffers from many problems and we all know the delay and cost escalation in ins viki.and mig29 is not something we should have on our future carrier when there are better option(rafale and f-35).
better to stick with usa or france and gain from their enormous experience in carrier making.

 

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i certainly dont trust russians when it comes to aircraft carrier.their own carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" suffers from many problems and we all know the delay and cost escalation in ins viki.and mig29 is not something we should have on our future carrier when there are better option(rafale and f-35).
better to stick with usa or france and gain from their enormous experience in carrier making.

If US doesnt assist us with nuc reactor and its assembly for our AC then we might have to go the Arihant way.
Don't forget naval PAKFA.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

On topic,
Naval Recognition has come out with a article on the topic but with certain different angles

Naval Industry News - Russia, India

Aircraft Carrier for Indian Navy May Be Built Using Russian Technologies


The design of Russian nuclear-propulsion aircraft carrier Storm will serve the basis for the ship of this type to be proposed for the Indian Navy. According to the Izvestia daily, the Russian proposal is the leading one despite the United States and France participating in the technological race too. A final decision will be made during the competition about to be launched by New Delhi.

A nuclear powered Project 23000E Storm aircraft carrier may displace 80,000 to 85,000 tonnes with some 70 aircraft on board.



"The Russian design dovetails with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s concept ‘Make in India’", the newspaper quotes naval expert Alexander Mozgovoi as saying. The technology transfer is a key aspect of the aircraft carrier construction issue. "At present, only Moscow is ready to share with New Delhi both weapons and other systems, on the one hand, and their development and manufacturing technologies, on the other,"the expert said.

Last week, New Delhi and Washington discussed the feasibility of cooperating in aircraft carrier construction technologies but reached no agreement. Similar difficulties have been encountered with the French too. Under the Indian-French contract for Rafale fighters, India insisted on the transfer of the active electronically scanned radar technologies. France refused to do so.

Meanwhile, Russia and India have implemented several successful strategic military-technical programs on co-developing the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, license-producing Sukhoi Su-30MKI (NATO reporting name: Flanker-H) fighters by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and developing the Mikoyan MiG-29K (Fulcrum) carrierborne fighter version for the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier just to name a few. "Russia is the only country that has leased a latest nuclear-powered hunter-killer submarine, K-152 Nerpa, to India. A resolution is being worked out to lease another submarine of the type. We have also assisted India in designing its Arihant nuclear-propulsion ballistic missile submarine," the daily quotes Vadim Kozyulin, professor with the Academy of Military Sciences, as saying.

"According to Kozyulin, it is the sum of these factors that favors the Russian design. The Storm’s deck is designed to accommodate the MiG-29K. There will be the Russian-Indian Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) further down the line. Its design is commonized with Russia’s T-50. This means that a carrierborne variant will be derived from the baseline model in the future. Anyway, the Russian Defense Ministry has announced its development. It is very unlikely that New Delhi will resist the temptation to deploy cutting-edge fighters on deck after investing $25 billion in the joint program. Naturally, it needs the right parameters in such a case," the Izvestia wrote.

Russia remains India’s primary arms supplier, with the total value of the contracts having exceeded 340 billion rupee (over $5 billion) over the past three years, according to a news release by the Indian Ministry of Defense. According to the ministry, the United States ranks second, with India having spent 300 billion rupee (about $4.4 billion) between FY2012-2013 and FY2014-2015. During the period, India awarded 162 armament orders, including 67 to other countries, including Russia (18 contracts), the United States (13) and France (6)

Aircraft Carrier for Indian Navy to Be Built Using Russian Technologies

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The report even though is from Naval recognition which is very reputed, it seems a bit more like a propaganda news.. Particularly too much focus has been given on relation ship and JV and talk about FGFA where it quotes $25 Bn and naval variant.. It looks like rattled response...

What i understand is in Rafale deal, i have not heard about AESA tech transfer whereas credible tech includes assistance to LCA project..

Similarly, Naval FGFA has never been thought or explored whereas Naval AMCA is always talked about..

If you see leading news items quote 54 odd jets for the IAC2 whereas this article quotes 70-80 aircraft on board.. That figure is possible with rotary fleet or turbo props for ASW/AEW roles.. But 70-80 stand alone fighters is all together different words.. As if its an additional squadron or 2 sqds if its 80..


I think this article is more trying to say based on past relationship we are in drivers seat.. whereas what i have heard is in Drivers seat is not USA but rather a french company most probably DCNS.

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[Abingdonboy]

On topic,
Naval Recognition has come out with a article on the topic but with certain different angles

Naval Industry News - Russia, India

Aircraft Carrier for Indian Navy May Be Built Using Russian Technologies


The design of Russian nuclear-propulsion aircraft carrier Storm will serve the basis for the ship of this type to be proposed for the Indian Navy. According to the Izvestia daily, the Russian proposal is the leading one despite the United States and France participating in the technological race too. A final decision will be made during the competition about to be launched by New Delhi.

A nuclear powered Project 23000E Storm aircraft carrier may displace 80,000 to 85,000 tonnes with some 70 aircraft on board.



"The Russian design dovetails with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s concept ‘Make in India’", the newspaper quotes naval expert Alexander Mozgovoi as saying. The technology transfer is a key aspect of the aircraft carrier construction issue. "At present, only Moscow is ready to share with New Delhi both weapons and other systems, on the one hand, and their development and manufacturing technologies, on the other,"the expert said.

Last week, New Delhi and Washington discussed the feasibility of cooperating in aircraft carrier construction technologies but reached no agreement. Similar difficulties have been encountered with the French too. Under the Indian-French contract for Rafale fighters, India insisted on the transfer of the active electronically scanned radar technologies. France refused to do so.

Meanwhile, Russia and India have implemented several successful strategic military-technical programs on co-developing the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, license-producing Sukhoi Su-30MKI (NATO reporting name: Flanker-H) fighters by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and developing the Mikoyan MiG-29K (Fulcrum) carrierborne fighter version for the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier just to name a few. "Russia is the only country that has leased a latest nuclear-powered hunter-killer submarine, K-152 Nerpa, to India. A resolution is being worked out to lease another submarine of the type. We have also assisted India in designing its Arihant nuclear-propulsion ballistic missile submarine," the daily quotes Vadim Kozyulin, professor with the Academy of Military Sciences, as saying.

"According to Kozyulin, it is the sum of these factors that favors the Russian design. The Storm’s deck is designed to accommodate the MiG-29K. There will be the Russian-Indian Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) further down the line. Its design is commonized with Russia’s T-50. This means that a carrierborne variant will be derived from the baseline model in the future. Anyway, the Russian Defense Ministry has announced its development. It is very unlikely that New Delhi will resist the temptation to deploy cutting-edge fighters on deck after investing $25 billion in the joint program. Naturally, it needs the right parameters in such a case," the Izvestia wrote.

Russia remains India’s primary arms supplier, with the total value of the contracts having exceeded 340 billion rupee (over $5 billion) over the past three years, according to a news release by the Indian Ministry of Defense. According to the ministry, the United States ranks second, with India having spent 300 billion rupee (about $4.4 billion) between FY2012-2013 and FY2014-2015. During the period, India awarded 162 armament orders, including 67 to other countries, including Russia (18 contracts), the United States (13) and France (6)

Aircraft Carrier for Indian Navy to Be Built Using Russian Technologies

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The report even though is from Naval recognition which is very reputed, it seems a bit more like a propaganda news.. Particularly too much focus has been given on relation ship and JV and talk about FGFA where it quotes $25 Bn and naval variant.. It looks like rattled response...

What i understand is in Rafale deal, i have not heard about AESA tech transfer whereas credible tech includes assistance to LCA project..

Similarly, Naval FGFA has never been thought or explored whereas Naval AMCA is always talked about..

If you see leading news items quote 54 odd jets for the IAC2 whereas this article quotes 70-80 aircraft on board.. That figure is possible with rotary fleet or turbo props for ASW/AEW roles.. But 70-80 stand alone fighters is all together different words.. As if its an additional squadron or 2 sqds if its 80..


I think this article is more trying to say based on past relationship we are in drivers seat.. whereas what i have heard is in Drivers seat is not USA but rather a french company most probably DCNS.

@Abingdonboy @anant_s @Vauban @Taygibay @MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ

It's pure propoganda, similar to when Russian sites announce the S400 deal is signed or that India is looking at the Su-35.

I think there has been a lot of misunderstnding about the IAC-2, the IN is NOT looking for an off the shelf design (as this article suggests) but is looking for some design input from industry leading experts and peer review of their designs for the IAC-2. The IN's Naval Design Bureau (NDB) has been working on the design for the IAC-2 for quite some time now and have got to an advanced stage with it. When they have designed every other warship made in India for the IN in the past 2 decades- including the IAC-1- why would they suddenly be looking for an off the shelf design? It's utter lunacy to make this assertion. Yes, the addtion of nuclear propulsion and or EMALS would require some technical input from other parties but it would not require a specfic redesign of the entire ship or the wholesale acceptance of a foreign design.


The article further paints itself as nonsense by suggesting the IN would want MiG-29Ks flying from the IAC-2 after the IN has made it clear they want CATOBAR fighters Addtionally, I have heard very recently the IN has absolutely ZERO interst in the N-FGFA (even if it was anything more than a fantasy as it exists today), they are not looking for something that would have similar dimensions to the Su-33 to fly from their medium sized carriers. Even the USN has opted to fly mid-size/weight F-18s and F-35s from their Supercarriers (ditching the F-14) and the IN had intentionally chosen the MiG-29K over the Su-33 when it came to forming the Viky's airwing and had actively funded the MiG-29K even though the Su-33K was ready for them. Only the inexperienced PLA(N) has gone for a heavy weight fighter from their carrier and this might have been out of neccesity (Ukraine provided them the blueprints for it and the MIG-29K wasn't offered to them) rather than preference. The Rafale-M and for the future N-AMCA (being designed to fit around the Rafale's weight class) is the IN's prefered airwing of tomorrow.

As such, no part of this article is credible.


And the last part when it is discussing India's defence partners seems like it is trying to make a point that Russia is still number one (even though it is possible to claim that would be the US in the last 3 years) in the Indian market.

 

[Taygibay]

Agreed to Abingdonboy 100%.

How could a broken Ru naval industry unable to make high-end LHDs so that they had
to order Mistrals, whose homemade products are either obsolete or rusting away and
the prowesses of which India witnessed with the Vik suddenly design a modern carrier?

The proper way is : build stuff yourself that undeniably works and then export it ...
not run your mouth off like a used car salesman hoping for gullible victims.

It actually brought back a memory of an old Eurhythmics song :

Travel the world and the 7 seas, trying not to sink ... some of them want to abuse you ...​

correctly titled : Sweet dreams are made of this.

Or if one asks the IN, sweet nightmares? India might want to adopt a modified American motto :

-Remember the Vikramo!
​

So still as a musical reference : Propa-gandhi, that's all! Tay.

 

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Russian 'Storm' top candidate to be India's new aircraft carrier - report
Published time: 1 Mar, 2016 16:32
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Model of the aircraft carrier project 23000E at the «Army 2015» exhibition. © Artem Tkachenko / Wikipedia
India launches first home-built aircraft carrier
The carrier can remain 120 days at sea before needing a port. It will have a crew of 4,000 to 5,000 and deploy up to 100 aircraft. The air wing will include naval versions of T-50s (PAK FA) currently in development and MiG-29Ks, as well as early warning radar aircraft, most likely Yak-44Es.

The flight deck is of dual design and features four launching positions. Two have ski-jump ramps and the other two have electromagnetic catapults to enable take-off from a shortened runway.

The Russian bid is favored by the Indians partly because Moscow is willing to allow bigger technology transfers than the French and American contenders, Izvestia said. A program called Make in India launched by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2014 seeks to stimulate domestic production of high-tech products, including military hardware.

Russia enjoys strong defense cooperation with India, including its navy. One of the country’s two serving aircraft carriers, the INS Vikramaditya, is a Kiev-class Soviet ship, which was rebuilt by Russia. The other, the INS Viraat – formerly the HMS Hermes of the British Royal Navy – is to be decommissioned in June and replaced in 2018 with its first domestically build aircraft carrier of the Vikrant class, which Russia helped design and build in a joint effort with Italy.

India is also cooperating with Russia in aircraft design and production. An “Indian” version of the PAK FA is being developed, which facilitates India’s domestic acquisition of aircraft for the future carrier. The Indian Navy is already the prime user of MiG-29Ks.


Russian 'Storm' top candidate to be India's new aircraft carrier - report — RT News

 

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Which aircraft carrier is the report talking about ?
45k tonnage one or the 65k?

 

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Looks gigantic to me.

 

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What if Russian Project 23000E can be base for future Indian nuclear AC.

 

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Russian 'Storm' top candidate to be India's new aircraft carrier - report
Published time: 1 Mar, 2016 16:32
Get short URL

Model of the aircraft carrier project 23000E at the «Army 2015» exhibition. © Artem Tkachenko / Wikipedia
India launches first home-built aircraft carrier
The carrier can remain 120 days at sea before needing a port. It will have a crew of 4,000 to 5,000 and deploy up to 100 aircraft. The air wing will include naval versions of T-50s (PAK FA) currently in development and MiG-29Ks, as well as early warning radar aircraft, most likely Yak-44Es.

The flight deck is of dual design and features four launching positions. Two have ski-jump ramps and the other two have electromagnetic catapults to enable take-off from a shortened runway.

The Russian bid is favored by the Indians partly because Moscow is willing to allow bigger technology transfers than the French and American contenders, Izvestia said. A program called Make in India launched by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2014 seeks to stimulate domestic production of high-tech products, including military hardware.

Russia enjoys strong defense cooperation with India, including its navy. One of the country’s two serving aircraft carriers, the INS Vikramaditya, is a Kiev-class Soviet ship, which was rebuilt by Russia. The other, the INS Viraat – formerly the HMS Hermes of the British Royal Navy – is to be decommissioned in June and replaced in 2018 with its first domestically build aircraft carrier of the Vikrant class, which Russia helped design and build in a joint effort with Italy.

India is also cooperating with Russia in aircraft design and production. An “Indian” version of the PAK FA is being developed, which facilitates India’s domestic acquisition of aircraft for the future carrier. The Indian Navy is already the prime user of MiG-29Ks.


Russian 'Storm' top candidate to be India's new aircraft carrier - report — RT News

first time I saw the pic, I saw the chair right most, and my initially thought was: "what the heck is a BIG chair doing on a ship"

 

[Abingdonboy]

first time I saw the pic, I saw the chair right most, and my initially thought was: "what the heck is a BIG chair doing on a ship"

 

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Russia is trying to hijack IAC-2 programme by promoting STOBAR.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Russia is trying to hijack IAC-2 programme by promoting STOBAR.

This is a nation that first went to France for LHD and now are proposing they will build a 65,000+ ton aircraft carrier for India? No thanks.

India can and will build it itself, they are simply looking for technical partners, not an off the shelf design- their design (NDB's) is already in the advanced stages of finalisation.

 

[Hephaestus]

first time I saw the pic, I saw the chair right most, and my initially thought was: "what the heck is a BIG chair doing on a ship"

Where in Denmark buddy!