What has driven the Turkish UAVs "crazy" in the Aegean ?

[Foinikas]

copium is hard in this news.

Why? You should check out Rafael's Drone Dome system.

It is the Turkish revisionist word for the Aegean, a neo-Ottoman neologism.

I thought so. But then again,this guy @dBSPL has said many times in the past that he is not an Erdoğan fan.

 

[dBSPL]

What makes me laugh the most is the myopic viewpoints of Greek friends, which equate disagreements on fundamental and strategic issues with Erdogan's presence.

 

[Foinikas]

What makes me laugh the most is the myopic viewpoints of Greek friends, which equate disagreements on fundamental and strategic issues with Erdogan's presence.

But you use official AKP terminology. Why do you suddenly call it "Sea of islands" instead of Aegean or Ege?

 

[Beny Karachun]

It seems they are trying to integrate Israel's Skylock or DroneDome system. (Israel continues to milking) But even there, the story ended by using F-15s against Iranian-origin Muhajir drones

Israeli EW downed some drones already, I don't know the details behind why some drones were downed by aircraft/air defenses and some by EW.

Even if the satcom(if have) system and ground communication relays disconnected same time, it can automatically return to the base.

How would that work? Will it just do the same way but backwards?

 

[dBSPL]

But you use official AKP terminology. Why do you suddenly call it "Sea of islands" instead of Aegean or Ege?

The terminology of the Sea of Islands is mentioned in all old Turkish archives starting not from the Ottomans but from Aydınoğulları and Çaka Bey periods. The people who are trying to embrace this usage are not AKP, they are 'Ulusalcılar'.

In one of the important maritime resources for us such as Piri Reis's book written in 1500 and even in Katip Çelebi's book in 1615 ; -Inter-Islands-, -The Sea of Islands- are used, or described as the Kuzey Akdeniz(Northern Mediterranean) as an extension of the Mediterranean. This usage is also find place in some treaty texts that the Ottomans made with the Venetians or Genoese.

When the Greek occupation army was heavily defeated in the battle won in Dumlupınar on 30 August 1922, Atatürk uttered the following famous sentence. "Armies, your first target is the Akdeniz(Mediterrenian). Forward! Thus, the Turkish army liberated Izmir in a short time and Greece's Asia minor adventure came to an end.

Why didn't Atatürk say the Aegean? For the reason I tried explain above. However, if we want to describe the Aegean as a separate sea, the expression we use here in Turkish is Adalar Denizi. Not now, but for centuries.

If you're looking for AKP-style terminology, the right example is turkaegean.

 

[Akritas]

I thought so. But then again,this guy @dBSPL has said many times in the past that he is not an Erdoğan fan.

They are the same, after all, Kemalists were the ones who invaded Cyprus, expelled the Greeks from Turkey, created hot zones in the Aegean and have left no international treaty that they have not violated.
AKP’s neo-Ottomanism is more religious nationalism, on the other hand, Kemalism is more modern, promotes the construction of the bourgeoisie nation via the expanded nationalism.

 

[Foinikas]

They are the same, after all, Kemalists were the ones who invaded Cyprus, expelled the Greeks from Turkey, created hot zones in the Aegean and have left no international treaty that they have not violated.
AKP’s neo-Ottomanism is more religious nationalism, on the other hand, Kemalism is more modern, promotes the construction of the bourgeoisie nation via the expanded nationalism.

And Erdoğan's opposition even wants war.

 

[Akritas]

In one of the important maritime resources for us such as Piri Reis's book written in 1500 and even in Katip Çelebi's book in 1615 ; -Inter-Islands-, -The Sea of Islands- are used, or described as the Kuzey Akdeniz(Northern Mediterranean) as an extension of the Mediterranean. This usage is also find place in some treaty texts that the Ottomans made with the Venetians or Genoese.

Piri Reis uses the following expression: ""Şunu bilmek gerektir ki, 'Adalar Arası' 'Erso Peloga'", that means 'inter-island'
Katip Çelebi, similarly used the phrase" Adalar Arası", that means "Between the Islands" for the Aegean Sea in his 1656 work "Tuhfetü'l-Kibar Fi Esfari'l-Bihar".
Adalar Denizi has two interpretations, the one "The sea of islands" and the other " Archipelago".

 

[Oublious]

Rafael at Defea 2021....
Maybe was the beginning.....if finally the system is Israeli and not....French.
Anyway, according Rafael, only 5 remote systems covered the Turkish threat, 80-130 km for MALE UAV and 4 km for small drones, the system is distinguished by the ability of active and passive measures to deal with drone threats.
Through an electronic interference system, the remote control signal is interrupted, the video transmission to the operator is interfered, as well as the GNSS signal. Electronic jamming can be broadcast against multiple targets and provides a comprehensive air picture and optimal Situational Awareness.

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It is nothing more then wasting your money, TB2 can operate in high EW environmet. TB2 did work well in Syria wher the Russian and Americans black out the sky . Zero GPS or Communication avaible but still flying high in the sky...

You can try Israel systems, but in time we can study ther systems and come with answer, and then you have to ask for upgrade what is not for free...

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

It is nothing more then wasting your money, TB2 can operate in high EW environmet. TB2 did work well in Syria wher the Russian and Americans black out the sky . Zero GPS or Communication avaible but still flying high in the sky...

You can try Israel systems, but in time we can study ther systems and come with answer, and then you have to ask for upgrade what is not for free...

Bro, as much as the Israelis are cozying up to our neighbors, I highly doubt that they're going to sell anything that seriously and continuously can hurt Turkey's interests in the Aegean. The Jews won't challenge Ankara for the sake of Greek approval. This whole thread is beyond fake. For them, Israel comes first and not Greece. The Greek users here are dreaming.

 

[Akritas]

You can try Israel systems, but in time we can study ther systems and come with answer, and then you have to ask for upgrade what is not for free...

If you read what I wrote, we don't know what system this is. However, whatever this is, it is already beginning to be tested in the Turkish UAV and drones, where of course there will be similar interventions in the corresponding Turkish ones.
It's just that the Israelis are more flexible and direct compared to e.g. with the French and the South Africans.

 

[Akritas]

Bro, as much as the Israelis are cozying up to our neighbors, I highly doubt that they're going to sell anything that seriously and continuously can hurt Turkey's interests in the Aegean. The Jews won't challenge Ankara for the sake of Greek approval. This whole thread is beyond fake. For them, Israel comes first and not Greece. The Greek users here are dreaming.

Israelis have made incredible offers to Greece in recent years, which clearly affect Turkey's interests, but promote theirs interests and the Greek-Cyprus-Israel triple alliance. Thanks to Erdogan and your expansionist policy, you have broken an alliance that would have helped you on many geopolitical issues. You chose Hamas, and you pay it.

 

[Foinikas]

This whole thread is beyond fake. For them, Israel comes first and not Greece. The Greek users here are dreaming.

Why? Because you speculate the Israelis wouldn't sell that to anyone else? Do you think Israelis trust Erdoğan and Turkey?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Bro, as much as the Israelis are cozying up to our neighbors, I highly doubt that they're going to sell anything that seriously and continuously can hurt Turkey's interests in the Aegean. The Jews won't challenge Ankara for the sake of Greek approval. This whole thread is beyond fake. For them, Israel comes first and not Greece. The Greek users here are dreaming.

Israeli interests come first. As every country.

A strong Greece is our interest, considering the friendship with Turkey is fragile due to Erdogan's tendency to do 180 degree flips in diplomacy. Greece is a way more reliable ally, that won't pressure us due to inevitable conflicts with the Palestinians.

We obviously wish for peace, between us and between Turkey and Greece and for relations like in the days before Erdogan, but Israel is not a fool and plays its cards very carefully.

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

Israelis have made incredible offers to Greece in recent years, which clearly affect Turkey's interests, but promote theirs interests and the Greek-Cyprus-Israel triple alliance. Thanks to Erdogan and your expansionist policy, you have broken an alliance that would have helped you on many geopolitical issues. You chose Hamas, and you pay it.

Keep on dreaming. Israelis have never actually made a step together with you to harm Turkish interests. They even said that themselves during the recent visit in Ankara. There's not one Greek project that has been materialized with the support of Israel. They will not act against Turkey for you and no amount of propaganda is going to change this ground reality. Even Americans and Europeans have came to the conclusion that no project in the East Med can be realized without Turkish consent.

Like I said, you're stuck in a dream that will never come true.