What happens when the TPP kicks in?

[Aepsilons]

Correct, everyone can feel the heat from incoming currency war when CNY fall. We should escape from that crazy war by joining TPP which excluded CN from the deal ASAP.

Just like Marx said: "The developement of the society is a natural process", and the natural process is : Who is smart-good vision-strong-some luck will continue to survive, who isnt will fall

To quote the great Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh,

"Remember, the storm is a good opportunity for the pine and the cypress to show their strength and their stability."

Let Japan and Viet Nam be the Pine and the Cypress, my friend.

 

[hans]

So you are not niceguy?
I thought you were him that repeat the same thing all the time...

You should wait for 3 years . Your vision is short , You failed to fore-see the fall of your own currency CNY even Niceguy tried to help you guys understand why CNY would fall. So, No Credibility in what you said about TPP

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Nice was correct about the fall of CNY, so I bet that his TPP prediction will be correct, too.

Of course no one bet on you guys bcs your vision is too short to understand what would happen even when Niceguy tried his best to explain to you guys

FDI inflow rose by 8.3% in early half of 2015，FDI in Financial Services sector rose by a staggering 426.7%，so I wouldn‘t call that no one bet on us.

 

[Viet]

is niceguy dead as some rumours say? too sad. RIP.

 

[frequency]

is niceguy dead as some rumours say? too sad. RIP.

Let's all take a moment for Niceguy.

The more people are against TPP, the sooner it will happen. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. The west is not going to sit there and watch China and Russia do what they want. I have full confident on TPP. It is just the matter of sorting out the details to get it to work smoothly. Balancing is a delicate process and it will require some time to perfect it.

 

[Aepsilons]

Let's all take a moment for Niceguy.

The more people are against TPP, the sooner it will happen. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. The west is not going to sit there and watch China and Russia do what they want. I have full confident on TPP. It is just the matter of sorting out the details to make it work. Balancing is a delicate process and it will require some time to perfect it.

I believe it will be ratified before the end of the year.

 

[hans]

Let's all take a moment for Niceguy.

The more people are against TPP, the sooner it will happen. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. The west is not going to sit there and watch China and Russia do what they want. I have full confident on TPP. It is just the matter of sorting out the details to get it to work smoothly. Balancing is a delicate process and it will require some time to perfect it.

 

[macnurv]

And what did I assume? I just reposted her comments. The only thing I’ve claimed, as a joke, is that she is the mentor of NiceGuy and that his view was right on with this PhD.

I am sorry, but I didn't get the joke in reference to Niceguy.

And what you’ve said about bumiputra does not discredit her views. Her not commenting about it does not mean that she is not aware of what is going on in Malaysia. It is pretty absurd for you to think she would be ignorant about it when she is a PhD, working in an economic advisory role next door in Singapore.

No actually it proves that having a Ph.D doesn't make her an expert on South East Asia, and her ignorance about the domestic politics of Malaysia made it abundantly clear she isn't one. Her working right next to Malaysia in Singapore makes her even a worst offender. I am not here to debate the merit of her degree, I am commenting on what she said in the video, her degree in the context of such short clip is irrelevant.

Her saying that VN will have much more advantage than Malaysia should have given you a clue (e.g. it is not in terms of infrastructure, workforce, etc. that VN has over Malaysia).

So without any substantial arguments, you have made insinuation that she is biased and has no credential (when she has a PhD lol). This sounds like...

VN have no clear advantage over Malaysia no matter how they like to portray it. It is beyond absurd to think that foreign investors will just pack their bags and move to Vietnam and with in a year VN will become the giant of Asia. I am not saying that Vietnam isn't capable of it, at the moment it seems highly unlikely. There is a fundamental difference between wishing and happening, you can wish VN to be a giant which China is scared of, its your wish. the reality is far different.

Your fail to present any reasonable argument in her defense, I asked you that a 50 second clip proves nothing without a proper context, yet within those few second she made a completely ignorant comment about Malaysia, yet you insist that I assume what you assumed just because she have a Ph.D. By the way I also have a Ph.D, and unlike her I dont make ignorant comments.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I believe it will be ratified before the end of the year.

Thats the best time for TPP. If late than 3 years, USA will be the loser in the war against China-Russia.

FDI inflow rose by 8.3% in early half of 2015，FDI in Financial Services sector rose by a staggering 426.7%，so I wouldn‘t call that no one bet on us.

Some US investors like Apple still pour more investment to China bcs they see a higher Iphone-Iwatch demand from CNese. If Apple see lesser demand, they will quit CN to come to TPP nation like Vietnam

 

[kawaraj]

Nothing gonna happen considerably as it more a US-Japan bilateral pact. Vietname will benefit only if it is seen as part of the huge Chinese supply chain.

But yes the pact will benefit Vietnam with the wrong reason as our Vietname members think. I hope your guys analyze in a more sophicated way. This is not a simple world. When you talk about manufacture, kindly think about the elements behind it, the profitability, the market, the supply chain, the competitive adavantage. Why some investors choose Vietnam instead of India?

 

[William Hung]

1. About Britain and current TPP. I agree and fully aware of what you said. Theoretically it is a fair. In reality, there are one side call MNC and the other side call the state. Because VN nearly does not have MNC, they are not fair. Do you see the game? Its like saying "Every Ocean Faring Ship company can sue any ASEAN government" to Lao, and then yeah. Its fair for every ocean going faring ship nations, but Lao has none. You understand my meaning? If the law provided is on favour of MNC to the government, then VN has no MNC company to take adventage of.
Another point is that the "international settlement body" Is it going to be real fair judge?

Your analogy is still not valid...because it is not the MNCs who have the sole power to create the rules over the member states...like how Britain had that power over its subject. Who creates the rules for the TPP? It is the member states, not the MNCs. The MNCs only have whatever the power/rights that are given to them by these negotiating TPP states, which include Vietnam and Malaysia. So your analogy of MNC vs. State being the same as Britainia vs. colonial subjects is not valid.

You could use conspiracy theories arguing it is the US+Japan who are creating the unfair TPP laws on behalf of the MNCs but you would need to provide concrete examples of this, especially how it would be demerital to VN. Plus you all seems to ignore that VN has a voice in the negotiating table, if we don’t like their terms, we could leave the negotiation. This is not the case of Britainia vs. colonial subjects where they have no voice other than to submit to Britain.

So far, I always see people here talks about how the TPP will be bad for VN but have never give any concrete examples. Not to mention most haters here are not informed about VN anyway. For example, the biggest worries, for me personally, is in the pharmaceutical industry...the MNCs in this industry will have a lot more power. But it would mostly affect countries like Australia and NZ who both have relatively very good govt subsidy scheme in their healthcare system. The TPP will change this. But it doesnt matter for VN...like Ive always said before, VN is socialist in name only, and our healtcare system is rubbish, a lot less socialist than Aus/NZ...so TPP will not effect the normal man like it would for people in Aus/NZ.

Now I want to hear from you guys concrete examples of how VN is gona be screwed by the TPP.

2. I don't know who HC is. Perhaps you can tell me somehow. Its to vast to find. If VN fate is to hang with one woman, then something weak is happening. What I read from Niceguy is that VN could pull back and void the TPP if things go out of hands. Do you know that such action would destroy TPP credibility and VN credibility than not joining?

VN fate hangs on one women??? How did you come with this absurd idea? I never said this. As for the clue, you can figure it out if you look deep into VN and find something unique we have that the other TPP states doesn’t possess.

No, its not what NiceGuy previously said about SCS chokepoint etc. No one has mentioned it on this forum yet, including the Viet members, thats the only other clue I will give.

Then why bother watching it when I can watch Niceguy.

BTW when was the clip made? I believe before July when TPP was still alive？

So can you see the clip? If not, then why make a joke about it when you dont know when it was made? fyi, it was made last week, not before July.

You are free to believe it‘s all fair. But the rule was stated that the disputes will be brought up to a special court set up in the US，which means some government policies will be challenged，ruled and even dictated on foreign soil，can’t imagine any country with self respect can accept that.

Think carefully before you speak man. My mom have always told me that.

The court has being proposed to be located in the US, not set up and dictated by the US.

The Arbitral Tribunal is located in the Hague, so are you now going to say the Netherlands has special power to dictate its rule on all the other countries? Are you going to say a court is only fair if they are located on neutral territory...so where? On Mars?

Listen carefully, the court are being set up by all the negotiating states but located in the US.

 

[somsak]

Your analogy is still not valid...because it is not the MNCs who have the sole power to create the rules over the member states...like how Britain had that power over its subject. Who creates the rules for the TPP? It is the member states, not the MNCs. The MNCs only have whatever the power/rights that are given to them by these negotiating TPP states, which include Vietnam and Malaysia. So your analogy of MNC vs. State being the same as Britainia vs. colonial subjects is not valid.

You could use conspiracy theories arguing it is the US+Japan who are creating the unfair TPP laws on behalf of the MNCs but you would need to provide concrete examples of this, especially how it would be demerital to VN. Plus you all seems to ignore that VN has a voice in the negotiating table, if we don’t like their terms, we could leave the negotiation. This is not the case of Britainia vs. colonial subjects where they have no voice other than to submit to Britain.

So far, I always see people here talks about how the TPP will be bad for VN but have never give any concrete examples. Not to mention most haters here are not informed about VN anyway. For example, the biggest worries, for me personally, is in the pharmaceutical industry...the MNCs in this industry will have a lot more power. But it would mostly affect countries like Australia and NZ who both have relatively very good govt subsidy scheme in their healthcare system. The TPP will change this. But it doesnt matter for VN...like Ive always said before, VN is socialist in name only, and our healtcare system is rubbish, a lot less socialist than Aus/NZ...so TPP will not effect the normal man like it would for people in Aus/NZ.

Now I want to hear from you guys concrete examples of how VN is gona be screwed by the TPP.




VN fate hangs on one women??? How did you come with this absurd idea? I never said this. As for the clue, you can figure it out if you look deep into VN and find something unique we have that the other TPP states doesn’t possess.

No, its not what NiceGuy previously said about SCS chokepoint etc. No one has mentioned it on this forum yet, including the Viet members, thats the only other clue I will give.



So can you see the clip? If not, then why make a joke about it when you dont know when it was made? fyi, it was made last week, not before July.

How could I give concrete example when TPP is negotiated in secrecy fashion? Even what I learn about TPP is 2nd level information of presentation slides from government. Do you have original TPP negotiating documents? May be you can give me the direction to online original source? If so, let me see it and take time to study it. If it is not too difficult for me to understand, we will have a good discussion based on concrete example. Perhaps you should discus how TPP is good deal for VN by referencing TPP negotiating documents?

On "one woman" thing. What I said was I don't know her "HC". You have to provide me the info about this HC and why she is a card on VN side. Please do not forget you told me nothing except HC is a woman, and is a card. If you refuse to find me HC, I will stop talking about it. Coz I don't know what you are talking about. I could also say that "AKE" is a man and a card of Thailand, and ask you to find his info on internet.

 

[William Hung]

No actually it proves that having a Ph.D doesn't make her an expert on South East Asia, and her ignorance about the domestic politics of Malaysia made it abundantly clear she isn't one. Her working right next to Malaysia in Singapore makes her even a worst offender.

No, the short clip doesn’t prove that she is ignorant about Malaysian politics. Her not mentioning bumiputra in that short clip does not mean that she is ignorant about it.

She also doesn’t mention that Vietnam is a single party authoritarian state, so can I conclude that that she is ignorant about that fact? No, everyone knows that fact. Her not mentioning it in that short clips does not entails that she is ignorant about our one party system. And what you’ve said in the first reply is no secret, especially to regional observers.

She may indeed be ignorant about it, or maybe not. The onus is on you to prove that she is, since you were the one who have made that claim. And those short clips does not prove anything whether she is ignorant of it or not. So where is your proof that she is ignorant of Malaysian politics?

VN have no clear advantage over Malaysia no matter how they like to portray it.

Did you read my post? I said VN has no advantage over Malaysia in terms of infrastructures, workforce, etc. Everyone knows this.

So why did she said VN will have more adavantage in attracting investors than Malaysia (other than lower wage)? my suggestion was that she knows something about your current messy internal politics.

It is beyond absurd to think that foreign investors will just pack their bags and move to Vietnam and with in a year VN will become the giant of Asia. I am not saying that Vietnam isn't capable of it, at the moment it seems highly unlikely. There is a fundamental difference between wishing and happening, you can wish VN to be a giant which China is scared of, its your wish. the reality is far different.

When did I said VN will become an Asian giant within 1 year?

This is utterly a strawman. And you wasted your time adding comments on top of this strawman.

Your fail to present any reasonable argument in her defense, I asked you that a 50 second clip proves nothing without a proper context, yet within those few second she made a completely ignorant comment about Malaysia, yet you insist that I assume what you assumed just because she have a Ph.D.

No, I dont have to provide any defense. I only reposted her comments.

You were the one that claimed that she is ignorant about Malaysian politics ans insinuated that she is biased. So the onus is on YOU to provide arguments to back up these claims.

By the way I also have a Ph.D, and unlike her I dont make ignorant comments.

You may be a PhD, or you maybe not. The difference here, is that I can verify her PhD degree from reputable sites while you are claiming to be a PhD anonymously on a forum.

Btw, I’m a nobel peace prize laureates.

 

[biendong]

Hey, @NiceGuy is very famous here on this forum, congrats my countryman.

Nothing gonna happen considerably as it more a US-Japan bilateral pact. Vietname will benefit only if it is seen as part of the huge Chinese supply chain.

But yes the pact will benefit Vietnam with the wrong reason as our Vietname members think. I hope your guys analyze in a more sophicated way. This is not a simple world. When you talk about manufacture, kindly think about the elements behind it, the profitability, the market, the supply chain, the competitive adavantage. Why some investors choose Vietnam instead of India?

I think Pakistan get more benefit when you join to "One belt and one road" with China.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

All your water (including rain water and water underneath your property) will belong to Nestlé, Coca Cola etc. (see South America)

All your seeds will be infertile, traditional seed harvesting and exchange will be verboten. Seeds must be bought annually from Monsanto & Co. (see Iraq)

GMO and all the other disgusting stuffs cannot be verboten anymore. Eat and die slowly and painfully or don't eat and die faster.

National souvereignty … errrr … what souvereignty? It's the Corpocracy that rules you, idiot!