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What happens when the TPP kicks in?

All your water (including rain water and water underneath your property) will belong to Nestlé, Coca Cola etc. (see South America)

All your seeds will be infertile, traditional seed harvesting and exchange will be verboten. Seeds must be bought annually from Monsanto & Co. (see Iraq)

GMO and all the other disgusting stuffs cannot be verboten anymore. Eat and die slowly and painfully or don't eat and die faster.

National souvereignty … errrr … what souvereignty? :lol: It's the Corpocracy that rules you, idiot!

Dude that ISDS term was practiced in Europe, Canada and part of North Africa for some times now. Just go internet check France MNCs sued Egypt government. Sweden energy companies sued German government, America mining companies sued Canada, so many example online.

TPP is just more prevelance for that ISDS as it got so much promotion and bring it to new form ?

For GMO crops, i support it, near future the Mekong delta of our country deeply affected by climate change, we need crop that can withstand harsh condition that normal crop can't (Or if not then i hope we can study and analysis the Israel agriculture model, but i don't think it can applied to the situation of Mekong delta near future with more drought, flood and storm). In condition it was inspected by government and don't have any effect on environment and human health. In July, the Pew Research Center in the United States said it surveyed the Advancement of Science Research about GMOs. It found that 88 percent of scientists consider genetically modified food to be safe while the remain oppose it
 
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Dude that ISDS term was practiced in Europe, Canada and part of North Africa for some times now. Just go internet check France MNCs sued Egypt government. Sweden energy companies sued German government, America mining companies sued Canada, so many example online.

TPP is just more prevelance for that ISDS as it got so much promotion and bring it to new form ?

For GMO crops, i support it, near future the Mekong delta of our country deeply affected by climate change, we need crop that can withstand harsh condition that normal crop can't. In condition it was inspected by government and don't have any effect on environment and human health. In July, the Pew Research Center in the United States said it surveyed the Advancement of Science Research about GMOs. It found that 88 percent of scientists consider genetically modified food to be safe while the remain oppose it

Let me ask you: Do you know the history of ISDS? Why it was set up at all? For whom was it meant to be?

Sorry, the majority of European consumers and scientists don't think GMO is healthy.
 
Let me ask you: Do you know the history of ISDS? Why it was set up at all? For whom was it meant to be?

Sorry, the majority of European consumers and scientists don't think GMO is healthy.

Thank you for the reply, like i said:
For GMO crops, i support it, near future the Mekong delta of our country deeply affected by climate change, we need crop that can withstand harsh condition that normal crop can't (Or if not then i hope we can study and analysis the Israel agriculture model, but i don't think it can applied to the situation of Mekong delta near future with more drought, flood and storm). In condition it was inspected by government and don't have any effect on environment and human health.
My country was one out of 10 countries which most affected by the climate change, so we need to have a solution for that for sustainable future of our agriculture sector. One was i mention GMOs crops under government inspection and 2nd study and analysis Israel agriculture model. But i don't think it is possible as in future more drought, storms and flood, we need a crops that can withstand extreme harsh condition

ISDS was the ideas brought up by World Bank and Bank of England since 1970, ISDS was practice in Europe for years now. I can give you link for example, your country and Sweden. The reason why many people think ISDS was solely ideas for TPP because it got too much advertise and promotion and it include big, growing and dynamic economies of the world. World Trade Organisation was also almost applied ISDS to member countries

TPP actually set up by Singapore and South America FTA (search original nations of TPP, America just got invited later) and Singapore have strong support for IP law (u can probably research it online), later in 2007 or 2008 America got invited and 2009 America and Singapore leader invite our country to join, later Malaysia applied to join and there come the rest


Source, here see the case of Sweden energy companies sued Germany government : Vattenfall: Drop the lawsuit! | SumOfUs

Europe got so many case of ISDS, you just spent a little bit time, there are hundred thousand result, got some Middle East or Central Asia state also

And ISDS - it was practice in Canada (America not yet pass the law), Europe, North Africa for a times now, u can do research online, too many example. And actually many American politicians opposed that ISDS term, big example was Hillary Clinton, Joseph Stiglitz, and their followers,... I think if TPP conclude this year, they will discuss ISDS term, but probably let trade deal come first and negotiate common law with member state and set up trial law council for ISDS later since Obama take fast track option. Also the deal is secret, so we don't know if ISDS got discuss now or not
 
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If it (complete privatisation of all aspects of society) is a natural process, then thats what Marx said.

This is dog eat dog world ! man. Just like your house was taken away by greedy US is also a natural process :enjoy:

If you accept this is a dog-eat-dog world, how come you complain when Viet brides run off to marry richer, more athletic Chinese men with greater assets and better genes and IQ? It seems you only like natural selection when you benefit. It's quite hypocritical.
 
No wonder Gambit embraced the bigger dog when it was eating his little dog world. :lol:
 
It will destroy Vietnam's domestic industry and cement its status as a provider of low cost materials and labor to developed countries. I hope that Vietnam can turn away from its current path of self hate. Right now in Vietnam, American culture is #1 with Vietnamese culture itself being an afterthought. Even elementary school students prefer trash like KFC over Vietnamese food.
 
LOL, but this TPP is not something like unexpected storm right, you can prepare for it. Anyway, Japan was follow “mercantilism" school of economies before, i don't know why Japan change so fast to "liberalism” economies. This will limit government support for domestic firm and state owned companies of Japan which face many resistance domestically i guess?

I can't answer this without a lecture-like format. Shall I write a paper for you and tag you?
 
I can't answer this without a lecture-like format. Shall I write a paper for you and tag you?
maybe you send me link of the paper?

Nothing gonna happen considerably as it more a US-Japan bilateral pact. Vietname will benefit only if it is seen as part of the huge Chinese supply chain.

But yes the pact will benefit Vietnam with the wrong reason as our Vietname members think. I hope your guys analyze in a more sophicated way. This is not a simple world. When you talk about manufacture, kindly think about the elements behind it, the profitability, the market, the supply chain, the competitive adavantage. Why some investors choose Vietnam instead of India?

I don't know what you tried to mention, trade agreements are good for all signatory countries. They allow the member countries to move their competitive products and services into other member countries (which otherwise they may not be able to move, because of import tariff, import quota or other import barriers). In general, trade agreements are better for the poorer countries.

The reason is that the poor sells all he can sell, and the rich can buy all that the poor sells. But the rich only can sell to the poor what the poor has money to buy.

Flow of long term greenfield FDI that create job and constructing new operational facility in Vietnam still rank 2nd to China despite rank 5th in number of total projects

Greenfield FDI into Asia-Pacific, 2014

Investment Share
China $75bn 30%
Vietnam $24bn 9%
India $23bn 9%
Malaysia $19bn 7%
Indonesia $17bn 7%
Australia $14bn 6%
Singapore $11bn 5%
South Korea $10bn 4%
Thailand $8bn 3%
Japan $8bn 3%
Source: fDi Markets

Greenfield FDI into Asia-Pacific, 2014
Projects
China 932
India 641
Singapore 409
Australia 352
Vietnam 241
Japan 196
Malaysia 187
Hong Kong 163
Indonesia 155
Thailand 149
Source: fDi Markets


Source: Vietnam’s inward investment surge — will it last? - FT.com


@Yorozuya, @Viet
 
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@Yorozuya Noble peace laureates really? There only one Vietnamese and he is dead. Anyway what marcnuv said is true. Malaysian government is behaving suspiciously, such as organizing TPPA talk show on Television(Media strictly controlled by government) and the buyout of certain sectors in the economy(1MDB/GLC takeovers). I believe they would only agree if Bumiputra interest would be safeguarded. Maybe free trade with US would dilute Malaysian Chinese hold on the private economy.

Keyword is Bumiputera.
 
Mind to give that quote from Marx? :)
Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history

Karl Marx Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com ...
www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Karl_Marx.aspx
Immersed for some time in the history of philosophy Marx followed Hegel's .....Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history, governed by laws ...

Economic Manuscripts: Capital Vol. I - 1873 Afterword
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/.../p3.htm
Gustav von Gulich in his “Historical description of Commerce, Industry,” &c., ....Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history, governed by laws ...
Whether greedy US has taken my house is unproven. But it's proven that greedy US has sprayed herbicides over your house. :enjoy:
Real Germany never say that bcs US treat German after its surrender far worse than in VN . Is it hard for you to put on your real flag ??:rolleyes:
 
Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history

Karl Marx Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com ...
www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Karl_Marx.aspx
Immersed for some time in the history of philosophy Marx followed Hegel's .....Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history, governed by laws ...

Economic Manuscripts: Capital Vol. I - 1873 Afterword
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/.../p3.htm
Gustav von Gulich in his “Historical description of Commerce, Industry,” &c., ....Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history, governed by laws ...

Real Germany never say that bcs US treat German after its surrender far worse than in VN . Is it hard for you to put on your real flag ??:rolleyes:

Are u study Marx and Engels at school or what?
 
Are u study Marx and Engels at school or what?

I think he's more to what he shows, lol. My view is that he is part or an associate of the VCP. But that's just my view.

:)

Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history

Karl Marx Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com ...
www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Karl_Marx.aspx
Immersed for some time in the history of philosophy Marx followed Hegel's .....Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history, governed by laws ...

Economic Manuscripts: Capital Vol. I - 1873 Afterword
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/.../p3.htm
Gustav von Gulich in his “Historical description of Commerce, Industry,” &c., ....Marx treats the social movement as a process of natural history, governed by laws ...

Real Germany never say that bcs US treat German after its surrender far worse than in VN . Is it hard for you to put on your real flag ??:rolleyes:


Impressive! We have a Socialist Theorist in our midst. :]
 
Funny, that you ask for answers when you don't even know the content of the treaty but you have many arguments to denfend it when I stated my opinion in my first post in this thread.

Punch TPP into youtube and you have more than enough for the next days to go through.

It seems like you need to understand more about arguments/debates. If you make a statement/claim, then you would need to back up that claim with reputable data/sources.

You have previously made some claims related to the TPP and Vietnam, so I have the right to ask you for data/sources that can back up your claims. This is all I have done in this thread, I have only disputed against people’s claim and/or ask them to back up their claims. Like that Malaysian guy, he claims that the woman in the clip is ignorant about bumiputra so I ask him to prove this.

So I actually haven’t presented any “arguments to defend” the woman/TPP after you have made your initial post, nor would I need to as argued by that Malaysian guy. All I need to do is to question your claims. You made a claim, you need to back it up, its that simple. And making supporting arguments like “just google it or type it in youtube” is not intellectual. I wish we can just all do that for school essay or research paper, but not all students are fortunate enough to have Dr. Gotterdam as a marker.

So you have made some claims, and I, as I had done before, am still asking you to back up your claims with reliable data/sources.

Let’s just start with your first claim to make it easier. You said something like all of VN’s water will be privatised and be under the control of various private companies like it is the case for some S. American countries.

So, please provide some reliable sources to back up this claim. Specifically, TPP will force VN to privatize water? Did you made that claim from reliable sources or were you just using the magic 8 ball while eating some sourgrape?

I will still wait for some reliable sources.

@Yorozuya Noble peace laureates really? There only one Vietnamese and he is dead. Anyway what marcnuv said is true. Malaysian government is behaving suspiciously, such as organizing TPPA talk show on Television(Media strictly controlled by government) and the buyout of certain sectors in the economy(1MDB/GLC takeovers). I believe they would only agree if Bumiputra interest would be safeguarded. Maybe free trade with US would dilute Malaysian Chinese hold on the private economy.

Keyword is Bumiputera.

The point was not about bumiputra.

What I was disputing was macurv’s claim that the woman is ignorant of Bumiputra. So I ask him to back up his claim that this is so.

Bumiputra is not some secret insider’s info. Even some PDF members know about it and some Malaysian politicians have openly talked about TPP and its relation to Bumiputra. So I would be surprised if that PhD, who works on a trade advisory board in Singapore, would be ignorant of bumiputra. So I am asking, and still waiting, for his proofs that she really is ignorant of it.

It will destroy Vietnam's domestic industry and cement its status as a provider of low cost materials and labor to developed countries. I hope that Vietnam can turn away from its current path of self hate. Right now in Vietnam, American culture is #1 with Vietnamese culture itself being an afterthought. Even elementary school students prefer trash like KFC over Vietnamese food.

Sauce?
 

Vietnam-US relations: What the Vietnamese say

""Since it first opened in Vietnam, KFC became my childrens' favourite. My son, now 13, would pick it over Vietnamese cuisine any day. He likes it, not just because the food is tasty but also because he can play in the restaurant play area and collect stickers. I try to limit it to one visit per week and as a treat for my children.""
 
The point was not about bumiputra.

What I was disputing was macurv’s claim that the woman is ignorant of Bumiputra. So I ask him to back up his claim that this is so.

Bumiputra is not some secret insider’s info. Even some PDF members know about it and some Malaysian politicians have openly talked about TPP and its relation to Bumiputra. So I would be surprised if that PhD, who works on a trade advisory board in Singapore, would be ignorant of bumiputra. So I am asking, and still waiting, for his proofs that she really is ignorant of it.
I believe Najib will sign it if he is in power, although it would lead to party revolt which you are seeing right now. It is his best chance to destroy Mahathir faction that reign more than 20 years which prosper under state funded protectionism. For example, Proton which is full of Mahathir supporting cronies would be crushed under TPP. It is his best chance to create his version of cronies under the guise 'protecting bumiputera interest' if US agrees.
 

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