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What happens now with China's industrial ambitions?

How do you think China will react ?

  • Back off from the aggressive moves on multiple fronts for now and bid their time?

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Realize they need developed nations as partners, and work towards consensus building?

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • Stick to the current aggressive strategy and a win- at- all cost approach?

    Votes: 7 70.0%

  • Total voters
    10
China was on its way to being the sole high-tech product provider to the world's wealthiest nations - BUT then the Xi doctrine happened.
How China chooses to react is the most significant crucial global event to watch


The Xi doctrine focused on a single goal, period (easily verifiable, no shockers here)

...at a high-level it is about an all-out, multi-faceted, aggressive move to position China as he sees its place on the world stage i.e. assuming the mantle of the sole leading superpower of tomorrow. BUT very different in ambition!

The building blocks are designed to achieve a sustained superpower role, by creating deep dependencies on China through surreptitious investment schemes for 100s of small partner nations. And the demand for absolute loyalty to all of China's interests at all times or risk being blacked out economically. Don't be fooled with humble words to the contrary, let their actions speak for themselves.

Execution of the doctrine began with convincing the CCP to bestow Xi a lifetime Head of the country role.

Below are some keys to achieving their goals
  • Get 'Tech-rich' quick scheme by a complete disregard of existing IP laws and acquiring the high-value technology through both legal loopholes (acquisitions of foreign companies and forcing them to hand over their advanced technologies), OR by stealing via industrial espionage.
China did not have to invest its own billions in R&D and time BUT got access to the advanced tech for free to relatively low cost. Countries understand military espionage is part of the game, but economic espionage is considered a significant violation and attack on its economy​
  • Establish dominance over crucial access points of the world economic supply chain through force, or bribes concealed as economic infrastructure incentives to authoritarian or corrupt governments. China has earned an infamous reputation of introduced untenable loans as a land-grabbing scheme.
  • A complete subjugation and control of his people, to be in lockstep with its cultural goals. See China's new policies on HK, or the extended rollout of mass cultural reeducation, ethnic cleansing, and reconversion of its Uyghur population.
Where do we see as pushback?
We see the pushback from the world's developed and wealthier nations. Ironically, coming from those China needs to achieve its tech dominance. Still in its early stages of pushback, BUT interestingly these nations have actioned their attack towards hurting China's high tech industries.

How China has reacted so far is VERY interesting.
On one end, they have been pretty muted on reacting to the push back on industries. Few things like jailing some Canadians and throwing verbal threats out. Seemingly more focused on the expansion (India, S. China sea, odd new rumors around wanting to garb land from other nations)

HOWEVER - lately it is has been interesting to observe its reaction to Tick Tok and the US demand. The CCP is threatening to cannibalize a Chinese company by threatening to kick them out of China, should it sell to the US. This is a BFD - China is threatening to hasten the demise of its OWN Chinese private company.

Had the roles been reversed and an American company was threatened by China to sell or leave. The decision would be left to the company to make.

Despite all these rhetoric, Chinese industrial complex will continue to mature and grow.
 
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So- you want the American people to capitulate to the Chinese. Allow their expansionism to flourish, hand over the keys to our tech, let them have control over the world economic zones, buy Chinese tech, permit monitoring and deployment in sensitive industries, dissolve NATO, and become a BRI client, yes?

Other than that, I hope you are enjoying your day and stay.

No we dont want any of that this is between you and china but stop interferring in our affairs negatively.
 
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What I want is not in the options.

Together with the rest of the world, we will end the colonial era. Let the colonists roll back.
 
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U asked a question and i replied. We have no objection u competing China as long it does not effect Pakistani intrests
 
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So- you want the American people to capitulate to the Chinese. Allow their expansionism to flourish, hand over the keys to our tech, let them have control over the world economic zones, buy Chinese tech, permit monitoring and deployment in sensitive industries, dissolve NATO, and become a BRI client, yes?

Other than that, I hope you are enjoying your day and stay.
I'm enjoying my day and 'stay' just as much as you are, thank you for asking.

And do you expect the Chinese people and people of various other countries that have been impacted by destructive and disastrous US policies abroad to just 'capitulate' and continue 'capitulating' to the US?

How many countries is the US militarily involved in currently and has been since World War 2, compared to China?

How many countries does the US have its military deployed in, compared to China?

How many countries has the US attempted to pressure and coerce through economic and other sanctions?

How many countries did the US destabilize and provoke/instigate civil conflict in? Hint, just look at US history of interventions in South America, Middle East and Asia.

When it comes to damaging and selfish interventions abroad, the US needs to introspect first before accusing China or anyone else.
 
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I'm enjoying my day and 'stay' just as much as you are, thank you for asking.

And do you expect the Chinese people and people of various other countries that have been impacted by destructive and disastrous US policies abroad to just 'capitulate' and continue 'capitulating' to the US?

How many countries is the US militarily involved in currently and has been since World War 2, compared to China?

How many countries does the US have its military deployed in, compared to China?

How many countries has the US attempted to pressure and coerce through economic and other sanctions?

How many countries did the US destabilize and provoke/instigate civil conflict in? Hint, just look at US history of interventions in South America, Middle East and Asia.

When it comes to damaging and selfish interventions abroad, the US needs to introspect first before accusing China or anyone else.


All countries, including China and USA, engage in the relentless pursuit of their respective national interests as best as possible, and some play the game better than others, that is all. Further, no nation has a monopoly on success. Those who work harder and smarter in a sustained manner reap the rewards.
 
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All countries, including China and USA, engage in the relentless pursuit of their respective national interests as best as possible, and some play the game better than others, that is all. Further, no nation has a monopoly on success. Those who work harder and smarter in a sustained manner reap the rewards.
Which is fine, hence my posts that are, in an indirect manner, basically telling the OP and others like him/her to stop whining and complaining.

If the purpose of such posts, analysis and media coverage in the West is as part of a strategy that helps build public support for their policies of 'relentlessly pursuing their national interests', then showing them the mirror and pushing a counter-narrative remains important.
 
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Which is fine, hence my posts that are, in an indirect manner, basically telling the OP and others like him/her to stop whining and complaining.

If the purpose of such posts, analysis and media coverage in the West is as part of a strategy that helps build public support for their policies of 'relentlessly pursuing their national interests', then showing them the mirror and pushing a counter-narrative remains important.

Of course. The better narrative will inevitably find more traction, as all sides push for their own agendas by whatever means possible. Nothing wrong with that, either.
 
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I'm enjoying my day and 'stay' just as much as you are, thank you for asking.

And do you expect the Chinese people and people of various other countries that have been impacted by destructive and disastrous US policies abroad to just 'capitulate' and continue 'capitulating' to the US?

How many countries is the US militarily involved in currently and has been since World War 2, compared to China?

How many countries does the US have its military deployed in, compared to China?

How many countries has the US attempted to pressure and coerce through economic and other sanctions?

How many countries did the US destabilize and provoke/instigate civil conflict in? Hint, just look at US history of interventions in South America, Middle East and Asia.

When it comes to damaging and selfish interventions abroad, the US needs to introspect first before accusing China or anyone else.

Noted you did not answer the question asked: So- you want the American people to capitulate to the Chinese. Allow their expansionism to flourish, hand over the keys to our tech, let them have control over the world economic zones, buy Chinese tech, permit monitoring and deployment in sensitive industries, dissolve NATO, and become a BRI client, yes?

US has set forth severe sustained sanctions along with UN along with several countries on N Korea, Iraq, and Iran, Syria, Lybia, Cuba, Afghanistan at one time... I think that's it. Again, all of them were also under UN sanctions. Did you want us to capitulate to those pariah nations too?

Tell me, what do you think of China's claim of nearly all of S China, including territory and sea lanes near and belonging to their EEZ of neighboring countries? Militarizing artificial islands and then demanding the world seek permission before their ships pass through. Those shipping lanes see 5 trillion dollars of goods pass through a year, and China wants to block it when it can.

Let's say for the sake of this argument- you hate us, and we are this horrible evil country you are unfortunate to have landed up and pay taxes that went towards horrible stuff the US does. How does that make what china does okay in your eyes?

You are against expansionism; you are against threatening to throw sanctions on other countries over rubbish (china threatens countries to throw sanctions at them if they feel slightly insulted). You are against destabilizing the world (China has given N Korea missile and nuclear technology and helps it skirt sanctions, it helps convicted genocidal leaders in S Sudan, etc. etc). Thoughts?
 
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