what does the Pak armed forces realiticially need to counter india conventially

[$@rJen]

India is very good at spinning facts and fooling themselves. Indians lost 1500 men during operation Parakram without firing a bullet in anger. Its like their military projects, when they fail they all become technology demonstrators. The only thing Hindus can been proud of over the last 1,000 years is 71. 71 made Pakistan stronger. Today we are a bigger threat to Indians than before 71, so what did India gain from 71? Any way we did not loose to India in 71 we lost to 50 million bengalis, who did not like us anymore. India were just the facilitators. India is all about hot air and bollywood dramas. No real balls.

Where did you see me denying or where did you see India Denying that??? Its Pakistan who hides Its forces deaths... be it in Cross border attacks or war.

Stop calling all Indians as hindus. 71!!!??? you people really need to learn the International version of history instead of your Military controlled Histories in the first place kid... its called propaganda. In 48 we successfully stopped you from Invading Kashmir.. you created a mess and ruined the lives of Kahmiris but now you want to act as a savior.. WTF..

Again in 65 you people smugged terrorosts and regular soldiers in civilian cloths (All hail the professionalism of Pakistan Military) and attacked Kahmir surprisingly.. but finally ened up saving lahore. let me not talk about the time when we cut of your country in 71.. again we gave you a hard slap in 85 and 99 we buried your own soldiers when your own military brass refused get their bodies (Highly professional of Him)

Ya you didn't lose in 71.. hell ya no one on earth can defeat Pakistan @@@

Kid.. we don't consider pakistan anymore threat as before.. ow our focus is China not you.. you're not worth. don't try to get any attention by nukes..

 

[Tipu7]

we don't consider pakistan anymore threat

 

[genmirajborgza786]

History tells us otherwise, Operation Parakram by India was a total failure. Even after Mumbai attacks, India could not do any thing. Even with conventional disparity the cost to the Indians for attacking Pakistan is too high. All the ideas in the postings above are bull$hit. Operation Cold start has been neutralized.

An Indian telling Pakistan, how to successfully fight India is either a traitor to his country or an oxymoron or simply an moron.

@waz
this is a problematic guy he just can't post with out getting personal , just check his post history , almost every other post of his , he starts his nonsense ,please take note

India is very good at spinning facts and fooling themselves. Indians lost 1500 men during operation Parakram without firing a bullet in anger. Its like their military projects, when they fail they all become technology demonstrators. The only thing Hindus can been proud of over the last 1,000 years is 71. 71 made Pakistan stronger. Today we are a bigger threat to Indians than before 71, so what did India gain from 71? Any way we did not loose to India in 71 we lost to 50 million bengalis, who did not like us anymore. India were just the facilitators. India is all about hot air and bollywood drama. No real balls.

is this a joke ? If you din't loose , then Answer me , which Army surrendered & were taken as pow ? & which country campaigned to get their Army released ? & where were they released too ? who are you trying too fool eh?

 

[$@rJen]

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No under estimating but cautioned as of now.. we've bigger threat than Pakistan

 

[MastanKhan]

First and foremost we need armed forces that stick to defending the borders and not interfere in the politics, domestic and foreign policies of Pakistan !

Hi,

Why is that---is your dad or your uncles---older brothers and grandfathers etc or your family looting and plundering the resources of Pakistan---and you don't want anyone to interfere---is that the reason!

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

Why is that---is your dad or your uncles---older brothers and grandfathers etc or your family looting and plundering the resources of Pakistan---and you don't want anyone to interfere---is that the reason!

Well on the topic we need a Navy with at least 16 to 18 Frigates and 6 Destroyers along with 14 submarines which include two nuclear and Air Force wit around 500 latest Fighter Jets and an Army with of 0.7 million

 

[ito]

India starting a war with Pakistan is very slim. It is always Pakistan that started wars and lost.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Well,Pakistan should take realistic approach as a starter.

What threats Pakistan is truly facing from India??

A superior Navy - Pakistan can't hope for a decent defense posture from Navy against Indian Navy.Which means Coastal area could be under attack if India chooses to.

A Superior Air Force - IAF is already way too powerful than PAF.even in 71,PAF had some kind of parity with IAF.Today,that parity doesn't exist anymore.The main reason is Air Warfare is getting costlier every day and only some countries can maintain the edge due to better economy.

A similar capable but twice larger Army- I don't want to call Indian Army vastly superior than Pakistan Army.They're modest at best,but in coming years,they'll be as they're going through massive modernization.But Pakistan's problem is,They're facing an army twice as large,and in combination with IAF and IN,poses a threat that simply overwhelms Pakistan.

meanwhile,Pakistan's most important flaw is their "Unrealistic approaches" which are really harming them in long run.They're way too dependent over "External Forces" in case of war.Along with their "Bad habits like poking other nations using terrorism" are really going against it.The latest one in their list is "Tactical Nukes",some may say that nuke might be only credible defense against the threat India poses.But I tend to differ.Its like Pakistan is going to lose a brawl,but instead of take a beating,they're choosing to commit a suicide.

so,what kind of "Credible Defense" Pakistan can pose against India??

1. Diplomacy-The first and foremost line that should Pakistan strengthen right now.They're loosing a case what lawyers will term "In the eye of Jury" even before the case starts.Their diplomatic blunders and whomsical decisions are really hurting them.Once they were under "USA's protection".At that time,Pakistan held strong positions in "International Arena".Till 71,they maintained this edge.But 71 was the first time when World really started to sideline and India's image came up as strong nation.Today,Pakistan is really struggling to stay even "relevant",forget about scoring against India.

2. A strong political leadership - I bet most of the members in PDF doesn't even know who is IA's or PLA's Chief.But the world knows Raheel Sharif.That is one of the major concern for not only Pakistan but entire world.Their "Extremely active Army with Political ambitions" and extremely weak civilian leaderships are real concern.

3. Money talks - Pakistan should build their strong economy before they pursue any "ambitious projects".Its the weak economy which is one of the major factors why they got outmatched when it comes about defense spending.

4. A strong defense before offensive capabilities- Pakistan lacks better SAMs,but they dream about a 5th gen.But what purpose the 5th gen will serve if it gets destroyed on the ground?They should realistically allocate their defense funds.They're wasting way too much in nukes which might never get used.

 

[ito]

Well on the topic we need a Navy with at least 16 to 18 Frigates and 6 Destroyers along with 14 submarines which include two nuclear and Air Force wit around 500 latest Fighter Jets and an Army with of 0.7 million

What ever you do on conventional terms, you cannot win a war against India. India spends 7 times more on defense than Pakistan. India has more lethal toys with it. Moreover, your economy is in tatters and you lack geographic depth , I guess you cannot sustain a full fledged war for more than a week before you turn the war into a nuclear one.

 

[Zarvan]

What ever you do on conventional terms, you cannot win a war against India. India spends 7 times more on defense than Pakistan. India has more lethal toys with it. Moreover, your economy is in tatters and you lack geographic depth , I guess you cannot sustain a full fledged war for more than a week before you turn the war into a nuclear one.

We can win the war.

 

[ito]

We can win the war.

If Pakistan could have won the war, it would have started it already. War is the easiest way to wrest Kashmir from India. But the realities are different. You cannot win a war against India that is why you go to UN and US and make noise.

 

[$@rJen]

We can win the war.

 

[MastanKhan]

What ever you do on conventional terms, you cannot win a war against India. India spends 7 times more on defense than Pakistan. India has more lethal toys with it. Moreover, your economy is in tatters and you lack geographic depth , I guess you cannot sustain a full fledged war for more than a week before you turn the war into a nuclear one.

Hi,

what you Indians don't realize that we are not concerned with your 7 or 10 times----what our concern is to hold you for 72 hours---if we can---then we will smash thru----.

Your navy does not bother us a tad bit-----it is actually the least of our worries----.

See---we also have our version of cold star doctrine----. And our assessment is that we can strike hard and cut off major land area-----but our concern is that is india going to go nuclear----?

In our geographical situation---the cold start doctrine suits our purpose and vision and operation better than yours---.

The thing is that our sole purpose in life is to fight you and conquer you----your sole purpose in life is tomake money----so you cannot keep on with us----.

And again---you money expenditure does not bother us a tad bit----because most of it is wasted----and then there are other issues as well.

Truth be told---how many Indians get up everyday and say we want to destroy and conquer Pakistan---not many---but how about Pakistan----!!!! Think about it---. That is all we think---from dawn till dusk----.

You guys ought to be grateful to your leaders that you got the nucs----otherwise---you would have seen our cold start doctrine as well by now---.

 

[Erroroverload]

First and foremost we need armed forces that stick to defending the borders and not interfere in the politics, domestic and foreign policies of Pakistan !

Agar aisa ho gya tou ye politicians hamara mulk he baich k kha jaien gay.

 

[wiseone2]

i was thinking about what the armed forces really need, to be able to match india conventionally, and I failed to think of any realistic solution.
The biggest issue is the navy/airforce, in order to hold our own against them the airforce would need atleast 100+ 4-5 generation aircraft in addition to the F-16s and JF-17BLK3s(the other blocks seem incapable of doing much) the navy would need a similar type of strike wing, and the army would need a massive Air defence network akin to what the arabs had agaisnt israel in 73. And with all this said none of what i stated is realistic.
i can see the pak army in its current form holding its own against the indian army if there was no air support for the indians but with constant airsupport the IA would be recieving it would only be a matter of time.

in theory if Pakistan did not support Mumbai style terrorist attacks you would not have to worry about fighting the Indian military