What does the Egyptian President’s China Visit Signify?

[mDumb]

Points to ponder for Morsi's visit to China:
1. Does Morsi have the power to do serious business with China?
The Egyptian military is bought by the US for 1.2 billion dollars. Without the approval or backing of the Egyptian military, I would think Morsi is powerless.
2. Does Egypt have the guts to distance herself from the US and be closed to China?
My gut feeling says no. Obama supported the Arab Spring revolution in Egypt, and Obama or the CIA did not save Hosni Mubarak. Would you kill your benefactor?

So based on points 1 and 2, I do not think China will gain anything strategically. However for Egypt is a different matter, Egypt got $200 million credit line from China Development Bank to the National Bank of Egypt.

Just like other countries, Egypt joined the bandwagon to play the leveraging game of Washington against Beijing for regional influence.

 

[Wright]

A lot of people here think China will magically cut ties with the US and be a staunch Arab supporter like the USSR. I have doubts.

 

[Sasquatch]

A lot of people here think China will magically cut ties with the US and be a staunch Arab supporter like the USSR. I have doubts.

Unlikely, somewhat supporting the Arabs today but staying away from their conflicts.

 

[UKBengali]

A lot of people here think China will magically cut ties with the US and be a staunch Arab supporter like the USSR. I have doubts.

In 10-15 years time anything is possible.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

A lot of people here think China will magically cut ties with the US and be a staunch Arab supporter like the USSR. I have doubts.

china will do what they think will benefit the Chinese people and we will do what is best for us i think that china and iran and russia and egypt and sudan and many more have the same enemy it doesnt matter if anyone say it or not the west will not allow any country to be developed and free so i think we should all work with each other

 

[iajj]

i applaud morsi's trip. it is about trade and investment, and when morsi talks about trade, he means just that, commerce and business and enriching two industrious peoples. when the saudi monarchists come to china to talk about trade, they talk about using saudi oil to substitute for iranian oil; in other words, the saudis only bring to china their own dirty politics and conspiracies and ugly stuff they are unable to settle with their own neighbors. the saudis can find a way to sound utterly petty and ignoble even when they are in talk with us about business - because in the end the saudis have no other business than causing schisms and strifes in the arabic and islamic worlds (apart from issuing licenses to anglo-american oil companies to drill for oil in their land). morsi's visit, by contrast, is about searching a path for his own nation for economic growth, about egyptians' toiling and laboring themselves to claw their way to a brighter and more prosperous future, and this commands far more respect than all the royalty the saudis can get by selling their own land to anglo-saxons.

lastly, it is the contrast of the visages of egyptian and saudi leaders on the red carpet in beijing that points to the different futures the two nations will have: one stoic, weathered, proud, the other obese, stupid, greasy.

this is the dawn of a new order in the arabic world!

 

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What does the Egyptian President’s China Visit Signify?

Gimme money.

Every other source has strings attached, be it IMF, GCC sheikhs.


They out of money for basic neccesities like fuel....

Egypt struggles to buy fuel as credit dries up

 

[mDumb]

<when the saudi monarchists come to china to talk about trade, they talk about using saudi oil to substitute for iranian oil.>

I do not think the above statement is entirely correct. You're probably not aware that there is a strange relationship between China and Saudi Arabia.

Chine exported IRBM missiles to Saudi Arabia in the late 80's. These missiles are ranging between 30 missiles and 9 launchers to 120 missiles and 12 launchers.

The missiles sites are guarded heavily and the Chinese technicians built the sites. Also, the Chinese technicians (from the second artillery forces) man the missiles.

There was a rumor that Pakistan might supply the nuclear warheads for these missiles if certain situation exists (such as India decided to attack Pakistan).

So, when the Saudis go to Beijing, there is that possibility that they want to buy the upgraded missiles with less time to fire/launch and more precise to destroy targets.

 

[ahfatzia]

Egypt joins China club By Brendan O'Reilly

President Mohammed Morsi's historic trip to Beijing signifies a new direction for Egyptian foreign policy. The Muslim Brotherhood leader has sent a clear message by selecting China for his first state visit outside the Middle East. By forging closer ties with China, Morsi is warning the US government not to take Egyptian acquiescence for granted.

He has furthermore offered an important opportunity for China to expand its regional influence. It is essential at this juncture to forecast what China expects from the New Egypt in particular, and the greater Middle East in general. Regional and international powers should take note: China's influence and clout will increasingly become a decisive factor in all Middle Eastern struggles.

China's growing engagement with the Middle East is structured around a consistent three-pronged focus: opportunity, stability, and sovereignty. China sees post-Mubarak Egypt as a potential partner for promoting these Chinese interests in the region. Beyond this essentially conservative strategy, China is quietly exploring contingency options in the event of open antagonism with the United States.

Furthermore, China sees the relationship with the new Egyptian government as essential to geopolitical stability - the second focus of Chinese policy in the Middle East and elsewhere. The Chinese government wants to avoid destabilizing conflict while consolidating political, economic and military power. China's economy can only consistently grow in a reasonably stable international environment. War is bad for business. This is especially true in the hydrocarbon-rich Middle East.

China is extremely wary of the potential for open conflict between the US-backed de facto alliance among Israel, Turkey and the Arab Gulf states on one side and the "Axis of Resistance" consisting of Iran, Syria and Hezbollah on the other. China is particularly keen on preventing a US or Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear program, and the resulting hazards to Middle Eastern oil exports. Meanwhile, the sectarian undertones of the conflicts in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon contain the destructive seeds of prolonged instability. A middle force is needed to contain the potential firestorm.

Beyond the important implications of Morsi's China trip for contemporary Chinese policy in the Middle East, there lies a long-term potential for Beijing to assume a much more assertive regional role. As the US continues to pressure China in East Asia, Chinese leaders are quietly and carefully considering global contingencies. The Middle East, with its vast energy resources, central geopolitical position, and strong anti-American sentiment, could be an ideal location for China to challenge America's pre-eminent global role.

ndeed, Morsi's state visit to China must have been a calculated message to US leadership: if sufficiently pressured by the United States or enticed by China, Egypt could abandon Washington's camp. During the last Cold War, Egypt shifted from the Soviet to the US sphere when the political leaders perceived such a move as being in their self-interest. As an elected leader, President Morsi must be sensitive to the will of the Egyptian people, and the Egyptian people, for the most part, distrust and fear the US government.

President Morsi's visit to China serves as a stunning example of drastic transformations in the international system, both in the Middle East and throughout the world. First, if most Arab states become more democratic, they will adopt a foreign policy that is independent of Washington's dictates. Second, China's enormous, no-strings-attached financial resources are increasingly indispensable for nations in economic turmoil. Finally, as the US economy continues to stagnate, traditional US allies will be compelled to look for alternatives sources economic and political support.

For the time being, China can take advantage of these trends to promote a conservative foreign policy focused on economic opportunity, geopolitical stability, and protecting the sovereignty of "rogue states" targeted by Washington. However, as the US government strengthens its military position in Asia, China may adopt a more proactive role to counter US pressure. If Sino-American rivalry escalates into a new cold war, China may find the Middle East awash with oil, and allies.

full story>Asia Times Online :: Morsi trip marks China's rise in Middle East

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

Do they teach non-local history in Bangladesh or Brazil?

Greek culture is European culture. Roman ("Western Europe") attire and philosophy shaped closely after the Greeks. Even today, it's part of the European Union and Eurozone, unlike Turkey, which consisted of nomadic tribal invaders and later became Islamic after itself after experiencing crushing defeat. (unlike Christian Europe)

If you are going to play past vs present geography card, consider this. The Hindus Valley civilization lies strictly in present-day Pakistan with minor spill-overs into western India and eastern Afghanistan. Does that mean India has no connection to Indus? By the same logic, Bangladesh has no history beyond 2nd millennium BC.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

China may not interested in Middle east conflict but should be there to make friends and provide assistance...that will only benefit China in the long term: a short sight with immediate gain seekers are doom to be failed in near future...

welcome Egyptian President to China

 

[iajj]

<when the saudi monarchists come to china to talk about trade, they talk about using saudi oil to substitute for iranian oil.>

I do not think the above statement is entirely correct. You're probably not aware that there is a strange relationship between China and Saudi Arabia.

Chine exported IRBM missiles to Saudi Arabia in the late 80's. These missiles are ranging between 30 missiles and 9 launchers to 120 missiles and 12 launchers.

The missiles sites are guarded heavily and the Chinese technicians built the sites. Also, the Chinese technicians (from the second artillery forces) man the missiles.

There was a rumor that Pakistan might supply the nuclear warheads for these missiles if certain situation exists (such as India decided to attack Pakistan).

So, when the Saudis go to Beijing, there is that possibility that they want to buy the upgraded missiles with less time to fire/launch and more precise to destroy targets.

of course i know that 80's history, and there was nothing strange about that. it is realpolitik, and back then a much poorer, communist china wanted to peel the saudis off the side of "free china".

today there is no strategic prize china wanted form saudis (except for them to stop being the anglo-american/jewish lapdog), but the saudis will not cease to be dogs in the foreseeable future, so strategically china wants nothing to do with the royalists today and has but contempt for their political weakness and economic addiction to oil wealth, abuse of religious doctrines, and technological and industrial backwardness. what the lowly saudis wanted from china in strategic terms - namely enlisting china's help in its petty game of isolating iran - china won't give.

until arabian revolution finally strikes off the heads of the obese, senile, hereditary tyrants, china's relationships with saudi arabia and its other absolutist neighbors are at a deadend.

 

[romell99]

china will do what they think will benefit the Chinese people and we will do what is best for us i think that china and iran and russia and egypt and sudan and many more have the same enemy it doesnt matter if anyone say it or not the west will not allow any country to be developed and free so i think we should all work with each other

Turkey after the recent political change has emerged as new muslim power and they r planning to create a new muslim ties with other arab countries in the gulf.

it is not that Egypt will depends only on china but also they will create new alliance.

Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Syria and other muslim countries has very bright prospect in future.

The Turkish-Arab Economic Forum | HOME | Al-Iktissad Wal-Aamal

 

[PLA supremacy]

morsi is another american stooge.

 

[faithfulguy]

Southern Europe.

Greece might be in Southern Europe. And so is Italy. But Greeco-Roman civilization is the "western civilization" that all western countries derived from. For example, democracy first started in Greece, spread to Roman and than to other European lands and then to the rest of the world.

morsi is another american stooge.

Not exactly correct. He is a Obama stooge. But Obama does not necessarily represent the best for America. We in America all know that Obama is a Muslim hell bent of destroying the western civilization in American and institute Sharia law here.