People attempt to became part of both worlds will belong to neither and they are destinated to seen as 'other' by the people of both worlds.
Spot on...Cultural Nationalism always binds people...Religion will never ever bind people in true sense....
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People attempt to became part of both worlds will belong to neither and they are destinated to seen as 'other' by the people of both worlds.
As a devout, practicing but a humbly error-proned Muslim, I feel lucky that I am a Pakistani. Because I don't to choose between Islam and Pakistan, they are one in the same.
Islam Allah o Rasool ka deen hay...
Pakistan Allah o Rasool ki dayn hay.
Pakistan Zindabad
Allah hu Akbar
Uh, yyyyyeah, no one considers "Ahmadis, Kadyanis" (copy paste) as Muslims except for nonmuslims like you. And all Muslim schools of thoughts are free to practice their beliefs with mutual respect. At best, one can make the case that we have room for improvement in meeting the true Islamic standards. And speaking of making cases you've made a p!ss poor one. We don't follow "your" wishful thinking of what "you" think Islam should be and we have nothing to prove to you. stay in your neck of the woods and worry about your impending problem of white supremacist terrorism.Yet your state does not treat all Muslims as same. ...
Ref: Shias, Ahmadis, Kadyanis etc.etc...... we recently saw that example in 'Naya Pakistan', when Atif Mian was kicked out
And among the socienty in general, Height of difference is that even Azaan timings of these sects (including Sunnis) are different to each other just to prove they are different from other Muslim sect...Shame...
I fear Allah more than Constitution of Pakistan.
For me after death I will be asked about my God ( Allah) & name of my Prophet.
Allah is my God and Prophet Mohammed S.A.W.
They won't ask about Nationality.
So put it that way.
I don't want angels to hold me accountable for my statement today and record it.
God forbid. Hence Muslim comes first abiding towheed and other is later
Safety first man... Don't mean to mess this one.
Only Pakistan first. Curse other everything if it clashes with country interest.
Only Pakistan first. Curse other everything if it clashes with country interest.
That's What Musharaf Said , "Only Pakistan First" Sub Se Pehle Pakistan.
What he did is history. His notion was to be for country's interest but reality turn out to be different.
State herself need revamping in laws, in politics , there is no magnitude to standardize the actions which are in country's interest by default.
https://sunnah.com/muslim/33/218
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Salaam
That is a very interesting point. The legal side of the question - which law does one follow.
In the earlier days of the Bolshevik revolution, one of the proposals being considered (and they tried but didn't move forward because of high resistance) was that just wealth should be communal, so should wives be communal as well. This way all would've been truly equal - I think the idea comes from Plato's work on utopia (and maybe Marx and co also wrote it). Even Lenin's wife was for it, apparently.
So if one were to leave Islam and religion out of it, say the law of the land (and the constitution) is changed to represent something of that nature, would many a people consider following the law and sharing their wives as it would be part of the constitution of Pakistan? Or would they say that the law is against their idea of Pakistaniness?
So the way I see it is that it may be easy for a non-religious person to easily say that they are Pakistani first even if it means leaving Islam. They will follow the constitution of Pakistan. However, the same person may not be as keen on claiming being a staunch follower of Pakistani constitution and law if it suddenly meant they are required to follow the communal wife proposal of Lenin and co - (provided they aren't into that sort of thing).
So it is easy be a Pakistani first (in the sense you've mentioned) if it means doing something you are comfortable doing. However, if suddenly the definition of Pakistaniness is changed to something you are very uncomfortable with, something that goes against many of the other deeply held beliefs of yours, than it isn't as easy.
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So the take away, IMHO, is that the whole issue depends on how one defines Pakistaniness. Define it in a way that makes it conform to your deeply held beliefs and you are a patriot or define it such that it goes against deeply held beliefs of others and you can brand them traitors and such.
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Salaam
NOTE: This thread is not actually asking this question, rather it is ABOUT the meaning of this question.
Are you a Muslim first or a (insert your choice identity/belief etc)
This question seems to get asked a lot by people. I have heard this question asked on national television of political leader amongst countless other instances.
So what is this question supposed to actually mean? I just wanted to get a clear idea of what it is actually being asked here.
If you ask a person if they are a Muslim first or a Pakistani first - what are you exactly asking them?
Is the question, essentially, meant as a choice between
and,
- Renouncing Allah, His Messenger (pbuh) and the deen of Islam
?
- Renouncing the state of Pakistan
Like if it came down to chosing one or the other, is a person who says Pakistani first (as opposed to Muslim first) saying that they will be willing to abandon Allah, His Messenger and Islam for Pakistan?
Is a person a bad Pakistani if they say they are Muslim first?
What about the opposite of it?
Please treat this as a genuine question and answer accordingly - preferably without name calling and such.
Thank you...
Religion will never ever bind people
Your handle is "shirk" , kindly change it..When we are born one of the immediate things is done by our father, grand-father or our elders is to recite "Adhan and Iqamah" in our ears, which is a Sunnah.
A declaration and to congratulate the soul that you are born in a Muslim family.
Then after a few weeks, months or in the old days years, our father request or apply for our first Passport. A declaration that you are a Pakistani as your parents are Pakistani too.
I'm thankful to Allah that I'm born in a Muslim family and proud that my parents are Pakistani which makes me a Muslim born in Pakistan.
Religion and your Nationality are two different things.
When we are born one of the immediate things is done by our father, grand-father or our elders is to recite "Adhan and Iqamah" in our ears, which is a Sunnah.
A declaration and to congratulate the soul that you are born in a Muslim family.
Then after a few weeks, months or in the old days years, our father request or apply for our first Passport. A declaration that you are a Pakistani as your parents are Pakistani too.
I'm thankful to Allah that I'm born in a Muslim family and proud that my parents are Pakistani which makes me a Muslim born in Pakistan.
Religion and your Nationality are two different things.