What do you guys think ?

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong, if I can't escape this sort of behaviour in the UK, what hope in hell do people in Pakistan have?

On the 27th of the Holy month, our own molvi sb was shouting naara e takbeer on loudspeaker many times, many many times. Waking up half the neighbourhood at 2-3am at night in a mixed-religious/ethnic residential area. My ears were ringing, but it didn't bother me, my focus was elsewhere.

Every Friday prayer, there's a man who has his house right next to the mosque, I know him personally, every Friday some daft pious Muslim parks his junker in front of the man's own parking space, blocking him from backing his car out of the parking. He has had a strong words with the owner of the cars, but still our pious idiots are arrogant enough to fight back and not admit to their mistake.

If these people who can speak fluent English, live in a secular society, where both they and their kids are reasonably educated and accustom to other people's customs (no pun intended), and they still behave like this. What hope in hell do Pakistanis have?
I would say one suggestion is to teach our kids to keep religion between us and our God, and not to involve others, bragging about religion and shouting about it goes against it's very principles and spirituality.

Be a proud Muslim, but bow your head in humility, respect the laws and customs of the land, respect other people's space, if you use religion to cross that line, then by God you're using your religion unjustly.

The 'pious' amongst us do the same here; imagine parking two rows worth of cars on a one-way road 'cause the Namaz was getting late and unless they didn't rush to the mosque next door they'd be committing a grave sin !

I can't imagine why they believe that inconveniencing others tremendously has no religious implications ?

 

[Afridistan]

They should be restrained to public parks, the loud speakers should be banned, restricted only to Azan and for such public gatherings only sound system be used, so it doesn't make people go mad.

Why have public parks when you already have mosques?

 

[Imran Khan]

صبح صبح ایک مرغا بانگ دے کر ایک مولوی کو اٹھاتا ہے اور پھر وہ ایک مولوی بانگ دے کر سارے مولیوں کو اٹھا دیتا ہے پھر وہ قیامت خیز طوفان اٹھتا ہے کہ قیامت بھی پنا مانگتی ہے

 

[Jungibaaz]

The 'pious' amongst us do the same here; imagine parking two rows worth of cars on a one-way road 'cause the Namaz was getting late and unless they didn't rush to the mosque next door they'd be committing a grave sin !

I can't imagine why they believe that inconveniencing others tremendously has no religious implications ?

Some do it on purpose. You're absolutely right. Part in bold is LITERALLY true for some people.

 

[Kompromat]

Why have public parks when you already have mosques?

In case the Mosques can't take so many people.

 

[Sugarcane]

Buttsahib - If it's up to me, I will restrict these extra curriculum activities to designated places and charge the participants

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

I would punch them in the face (or slap depending on age), unplug the loudspeakers, then cut the wires to the loudspeakers and tell them next time televise it in the Mosque or you won't be so nice next time.

That's what I would probably do. Not really legal way of doing it.........

 

[Armstrong]

I would punch them in the face (or slap depending on age), unplug the loudspeakers, then cut the wires to the loudspeakers and tell them next time televise it in the Mosque or you won't be so nice next time.

That's what I would probably do. Not really legal way of doing it.........

Thats like a Black Man doing something similar to a Confederate Conference during the Civil War - Good Luck with that !

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Thats like a Black Man doing something similar to a Confederate Conference during the Civil War - Good Luck with that !

A yankee in disguise could do it, I should stop encouraging bad behavior.

 

[Hyperion]

No idea yara how to stop this menace (presently), however if I were the supreme martial law administrator, then I'd choose the following for ALL denominations of maulvis and so called aalims

 

[Khan_patriot]

Its Muharram and the Molvi Sahiban on my right have spent the last 1-2 nights nights blazing away on the speakers and like last year I'm sure another week's worth of such nights are in store.

The Molvi Sahiban on my back do the same on Eid-Milad-un-Nabwi or any other such occasion and stays the night before and the night after glued to the loudspeaker.

Whereas the Molvi Sahiban on my right end up blocking the entire road when they have a Naat-khawani on one of these days in addition to competing with each other on who could deliver the naats better "read" louder !

And this by-the-way is happening while all of these Molvi Sahiban are almost half a km from my place...I can't imagine what the people right on their door-step would have to go through !

My question is - Do you guys see a way out of this ? Do you think that, barring the conservative faction in our society, there would be enough mainstream support to help regulate such Religious Occasions where the loudspeaker is gripped a bit gently and roads aren't blocked or do you think that even the Majority of us are alright with this ?

I ask this because whenever I talk about this (to all kinds of people) all of them are unanimous that something needs to be done and yet nothing gets done !

Why do you think that is so and what do you guys think as Pakistanis and as Muslims is the way out for us ?

P.S This isn't a Religious Thread (at least not in my mind's eye) because I have no interest whatsoever on debating the merits or demerits of whatever different people do or believe in Pakistan and I don't really care what Religious Justification they ground their actions in.

I'm simply interested in looking at this from an Administrative Angle while being mindful of religious sensibilities of others which as Muslims we'd probably be anyhow !

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Public announcements should be highly regulated in my opinion, with the exception of Azan any any every use of the loudspeakers should be regulated strictly because it is not only a nuisance but also carries with it the possibility of misuse by ''clerics'' to spread propaganda and spew hatred....

 

[A.Rafay]

The worst thing is when the so called naats they play are based on tune of indian songs! Moulvis have some shame!
If it was up to me I would cut their electricity!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

it creates noise and ruins the beauty of the sermons/calls to prayer etc

when I visited Egypt i noticed the same 'problem' too.

in Turkiye they are very sensible about it.....there is no 'competing' b/c only 1 loudspeaker is allowed within a certain vicinity. The result is that the azan/naats/etc. sound beautiful and are easily understood

these are simple things that can be addressed, when people are ready to address it

Public announcements should be highly regulated in my opinion, with the exception of Azan any any every use of the loudspeakers should be regulated strictly because it is not only a nuisance but also carries with it the possibility of misuse by ''clerics'' to spread propaganda and spew hatred....

that, or the radio - like that piece of garbage Maulana Fazlullah

I would punch them in the face (or slap depending on age), unplug the loudspeakers, then cut the wires to the loudspeakers and tell them next time televise it in the Mosque or you won't be so nice next time.

That's what I would probably do. Not really legal way of doing it.........

pretty gung-ho approach.....OR you could just impose penalties on those who break the law - when laws are actually implemented to stop unwanted NOISE from ruining nice sounds

The worst thing is when the so called naats they play are based on tune of indian songs! Moulvis have some shame!
If it was up to me I would cut their electricity!

when/where did this happen??

if it does - you should yourself go and grill them

 

[Dubious]

If you go to Makkah and Madinah loudspeakers are on during prayers time only- same can be observed every where in Saudi Arabia-

The molvi hazrats in Pakistan have created their own traditions-

The one thing i always wonder whenever i go to Pakistan is why the molvi hazrat turn on their loudspeakers to full volume while giving sermons or during when 8 to 12 years old kids with their immature annoying and sharp voices are performing some kalam or Naats- and when its time for the actual Salah the louspeakers are suddenly turned off and no body can hear the ongoing prayer except for people inside the mosques- thats ridiculous to be honest-
The actual purpose of the mosque is suppose to call people for prayers and perform it- the molvi hazrat do the exact opposite they save bijli while performing the most important thing that the mosques are built for-

Spot on!

 

[JonAsad]

The 'pious' amongst us do the same here; imagine parking two rows worth of cars on a one-way road 'cause the Namaz was getting late and unless they didn't rush to the mosque next door they'd be committing a grave sin !

I can't imagine why they believe that inconveniencing others tremendously has no religious implications ?

Now you are little bit exaggerating it-
How many times a week you see muslim janta running to pray a namaz parking their cars in the streets- praying in the streets blocking the road- Maybe once a week only during Juma prayers- when all of them suddenly become Muslims-

The rest of the week mosques are almost empty bro-