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What do the Taliban want?


This soldier is fighting the enemy on his own turf therefore he will lose this war. You don't argue with Mullahs and Jihadis, you just grab them with their beards and slaps on their necks with full force. Pakistan has a written constitution and laws are derived from it and you every citizen has to follow and abide by these laws. If you don't agree with anything you are allowed to present your point of view, but do it peacefully. If you will use force you will be brought to justice and punished accordingly.
 
No, US only funded Mujahadeen that helped kicked Soviets out of Afghanistan. Talibans are the miscreation of our ISI in collusion with Saudi Wahhabis to turn Afghanistan into Takfiri terrorist state. Well the plan worked perfectly until 9/11! :D


LOLZ. What an idiot!

It is predictable. This is what you have to believe if you start with the assumptions "all Muslims are good" and "America is the source of all of our problems".

Not recognizing that most of your problems are your own doing is the Number One Problem everywhere (not just Pakistan). Islamists in Pakistan can't see that, because they can't see anything "Islamic" as a problem, ever, under any circumstances. So, it logically has to be something else, someone else, somewhere else that is the cause of their problems.
 
they think its pre 1850s where you can conquer land by force and no one will do anything about it
 
correction... the taliban is like the ram sena, vhp, the bajrang dal chimpanzees etc... what is your opinion of them??
Well neither the Ram Sena nor the VHP or Bajrang Dal members go around and kill innocent Indian citizens in the name of religion although i do admit that they are a bit extremists in nature.At most they do the "moral policing" thing but that doesn't give us the right to compare them with the Taliban which is a ruthless terrorist organization who are even willing to kill their own go-religionist/countrymen in the name of Religion!!
The Bajrang Dal can be compared with the Jamat-e-Islami organization although i find the Jamat way more aggressive and violent than the former:coffee:.
 
Well neither the Ram Sena nor the VHP or Bajrang Dal members go around and kill innocent Indian citizens in the name of religion

give them guns and they will... besides, what is the rss and durga vahini shakha's for... let me remind you how the sangh parivar killed ehsan jafri in 2002... taliban uses guns, the sanghis use swords and spears... in fact, isis/qaeda/fsa are infants compared to the sangh parivar.

At most they do the "moral policing"

the "moral policing" that ram sena or bajrang dal does is a crime against humanity... who gave those ugly idiots to go about beating up ladies or their muslim male friends... who gave them the right to illegally confine ladies who had chosen their own man ( muslim or otherwise )... they confined those ladies bring them back to "indian culture"... essentially threaten them with death... who gave these groups the right to bring ladies to the point of suicide... who gave these groups the right to promote atmosphere for "honor killing"...

look at what some such criminals are saying... ( Ruthless facts of Love Jihad : Planned methods of luring Hindu girls - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti ).

but that doesn't give us the right to compare them with the Taliban

and what gives you the right to talk against taliban... when you call taliban a criminal group, look also at who you sympathize with...
 
We need a secular reformist like Kemal Ataturk. We need to bring back Ayub Khan's constitution.
We need to realize the reason of the existence of a white part on our national flag.
The problem with Pakistan is that our people are too nosy.
I'm going to use an example that people (read conservatives) will find vulgar:
Now take the example of Turkey. In Turkey, if a girl wants to wear a skirt or small shorts, she can wear one and no one is going to mess with her or chastise her. Same is the case in India. And if a girl chooses to wear a burqa she can wear one out of her own choice and still no one is going to mess with her. Same in India.
But in Pakistan, all hell breaks loose if a girl is seen wearing shorts/skirts or heck even tights! People on facebook (if it's a photo) will start commenting on how she has no haya or sharam and how she is reserving a place in hell and if she's in public a couple guys are going to check her out from top to bottom then they'll whisper to each other the same thing they'd comment on facebook (will scan again when she's leaving). So this disgusting, hypocritical attitude will remain as long as we keep radicalizing young people.
The only way to combat this is if we can instil secularism in our people and give them a good education by a decent public education system. Otherwise, minorities will go on being suppressed and judgemental mentality will keep passing from generation to generation.
Also, now that I've written this post I've realized how heavily I've deviated from the OP but since I don't want to waste all the effort that went into typing that I'm going to post it anyway.

Then you are following the wrong path.

In Turkiye, we are trying to get rid of Kemalism.
 
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What do the Taliban really want and why is it not easy for Pakistan to fight them? The Associated Press carried an article on December 17: “Peshawar Terror attack: What does Pakistan Taliban want?

Answering the question, the report said: “The TTP has vowed to overthrow the government and install a harsh form of Islamic law.”
On CNN, Laura Smith-Spark and Tim Lister (“What do the Taliban want?”) reported: “When the siege finally ended, Pakistan was left reeling and the world wondering: Who would do such a thing? And what do they hope to achieve? The identity of the group behind the massacre at the army-run school in Peshawar is no mystery. The Pakistan Taliban — who have long conducted an insurgency against the Pakistani government as they seek to overthrow the authorities and bring in Sharia law — were quick to claim the terror attack.”
James Rush wrote in The Independent (“Who are the Taliban and what do they want?“): “The Pakistani Taliban have been fighting to topple the government and set up a strict Islamic state. Following a major army operation against insurgents in tribal areas, the group has vowed to step up its attacks.”

This same question has long been asked in the English press. Hamida Ghafour reporting forThe National in 2010 (“What do the Taliban really want?“) wrote about the Afghan Taliban: “But who are the Taliban, and what do they want? Zabiullah Mujahid, a spokesman for Mullah Omar, the one-eyed leader of the Afghan Taliban, said in an interview with CNN last year: “We ask from the beginning and we say once again: to enforce the sharia law and Islamic government in Afghanistan, to remove foreign forces from our country.”

Arthur Bright in the Christian Science Monitor in 2012 (“Who are the Taliban and what do they want?“) quoted an expert saying this of the Taliban’s funding: “A large majority … is thought to derive from wealthy individuals living in Arab Gulf states … Insurgents may also use the Hajj — the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca — as a time to raise funds. These ties to Gulf-based militants may account for al Qaeda’s influence over some groups.”

Two things are obvious. First, what the Taliban really want is Shariah law and two, they are not a wild and isolated group but one with proper financing. The question is why they make that demand. The answer is in the law. The Pakistani Constitution’s Article 227 (Islamic Provisions, Part IX) reads: “(1) All existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah, in this Part referred to as the Injunctions of Islam, and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such Injunctions.”

This commitment is clear and unambiguous. It comes from a promise in 1949 made by Pakistan’s Constituent Assembly under Jinnah’s successor, Liaquat Ali Khan. That text, the Objectives Resolution, reads: “Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;

And whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order: Wherein the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people; Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed; Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.”

Despite this, Pakistan’s laws are mostly the same as secular India’s, which in turn are mostly the same as the colonial British under Macaulay had written them in the mid-19th century. In the 1980s, President Ziaul Haq introduced some Islamic laws. This included such things as lashing people caught with alcohol, and laws on rape and on blood money. Many of these laws are on the book but not really put into practice because the Pakistani state is unwilling to turn the clock back. The analyst Khaled Ahmed calls Pakistan an incompletely Islamised state. Meaning that the promise of full Shariah has been withheld, leading to a lack of clarity exploited by the Taliban.

To answer the question that analysts have been scratching their head over: what the Taliban really want is implementation of Pakistan’s Constitution. That is why it is difficult to fight them — because they say they are right on the question of law. No fight against them will succeed, or can even be properly started, unless the confusion over the Constitution and its promise is resolved.
What do the Taliban want? – The Express Tribune

It should be obvious by now that source of all terrorism and religious extremism in Pakistan is Liaquat Ali Khan's Objectives Resolution that was countered by Pakistani first cabinet's non-Muslim leader of the opposition in his own words:


Sris Chandra Chattopadhyaya
Objectives Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When a majority of legislators ignore their elected opposition's rightful concern, futuristic disasters become inevitable! Such is the case with Taliban and other religious extremists in Pakistan!

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And whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order: Wherein the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people; Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed; Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah.”

Despite this, Pakistan’s laws are mostly the same as secular India’s, which in turn are mostly the same as the colonial British under Macaulay had written them in the mid-19th century. In the 1980s, President Ziaul Haq introduced some Islamic laws. This included such things as lashing people caught with alcohol, and laws on rape and on blood money. Many of these laws are on the book but not really put into practice because the Pakistani state is unwilling to turn the clock back. The analyst Khaled Ahmed calls Pakistan an incompletely Islamised state. Meaning that the promise of full Shariah has been withheld, leading to a lack of clarity exploited by the Taliban.
I always wonder not what the Taliban want but what do the people of Pakistan want - strict Sharia laws or democracy? Are democracy and Sharia compatible?
 
1) Always stay as far away as possible from an individual or a group who claim to know the absolute truth...

That is where the problem with the religious mindset lies...and therefore the "righteous" will never hesitate to go to any length, provided they know there are no severe consequences. An average Taliban soldier wants to rectify and get rid of the infidels and sinner. The strategic and mid-level leadership wants power, money, influence etc.

On a side note; I can bet you that most of the top-tier leadership are just too smart enough to buy into this religious/holy war mission and are just in it for pure power and influence...
 

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