What do the Quran and Hadith predict about the end of the Apartheid state of Israel?

[imadul]

There is no shame in being poor, never, circumstances or anything may lead anyone to be poor... but it is really very shameless to profess and believe in one thing and be the hypocrite of highest order. Individuals have a character and mentality, and then nations have a mentality and character. The sad state of affairs is very much reflective of our character and mentality.

All Messengers were given the Mairaj, they were shown how it works, we have read in Quran that all this wasn't created for fun or out of fun. But do we Muslims try understanding it? We are stuck, stagnant, waiting for a Messiah who will never come.

A messiah shall come when we shall deserve it.
Our Messemger came when it was darkness and ignorance.
Quad e Azam Led when Muslims of India had little hope for Pakistan.
Sarojani Naido said if Muslim league had 100 Gandhi and 200 nehru but if we had one Jinnah, Pakistan could not become.
Allah can't be influenced...but events in Israel are barbaric,
Bible said about the End of oppression in the Holy Sanctuary " when the power of the people of the Most High shall be no more, then it shall be"

 

[I.R.A]

A messiah shall come when we shall deserve it.

And when would we deserve it?

 

[TopGun786]

but events in Israel are barbaric,
Bible said about the End of oppression in the Holy Sanctuary " when the power of the people of the Most High shall be no more, then it shall be"

That is what I am trying to tell.

We are stuck, stagnant, waiting for a Messiah who will never come.

How did you assume he will never come? We can say it is not the right time but saying that he will not come

What you said about the state of muslims has merit to it.
Conditions also become better in short time, famine stricken Ethiopia developing 10+ %.

Other thing there is a God Who created earth which is just a tiny speck in our local cosmos of two trillion galaxies, and the only living planet in local cosmos, and He has not taken retirement.
There are bigger plans at work.

Last, our Messenger never feared about the end of His nation because of poverty but because of indulgence.
It is true though conditions are dire.

Agreed.

 

[BHAN85]

Your comments suggests me that you are a Jew, when i mention the word of Jew you get offended and then post nonsense. Btw, Lebanon has its own rich kids too.

Iran's state policy and strategy is complete surrounding of Israel. And those kids have no role neither any interest in it, they are busy with their own useless lives. Maybe they think that they will stay like that forever and death doesn't actually exist lol. Stupid rich kids do not represent the state policy of a country.

One interesting point about Israel, is that it has unveiled true face of Jews. Israel on its own is the best representative of Talmudic teachings. Racist, fascist, murderers, oppressors, killers of innocents, enemies of faithful people etc. Not only that, Israel has gathered all the snakes from around the world in one place. The Jews that operated in shadow around the world, currently, work for Israel openly and most of them have migrated to Israel. The whole world hates them.

End of Israel will be end of every human snakes.

In israel only live common jews.

Rich Jewish elite lives in USA.

You probably took a wrong assumption from my thread that Muslims will be spared. The truth is same prophecies also say the majority of Muslims will be perished (due to their deeds) before the end of Isra-hell. So it clearly means that the Muslims, especially, those who left the past of Allah and Islam will no longer be there at the end of IsraHell.
As Israhell's atrocities will increase day by day (it is 101%) happening right before our eyes). IsraHell will increase in size and they will eventually demolish Masjid Aqsa and most likely throw out every native Muslim out of Palestine. It is then they will bring forth their leader 'Dajjal'' and the final battle will start in which a lot of Muslims will perish just because of their poor faith and lack of will/arms/technology to fight. If you think I am giving clean chit to Muslims then you are wrong.

I though in those prophecies Muslims will rule the world, and everybody single human of this planet will be turned into islam, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[uhuru]

Quran Predicted about the end of Isreal (Jews) for the third time in the below verse. Just before this verse the 3 verses of the Quran already discussed about the two-time fall and rise of bani Isreal (Jews). Now come to our topic the end of Jews (the illegal state of Isreal nowadays) for the third time,


[Then Allah said], "It is expected, [if you repent], that your Lord will have mercy upon you. But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]. And We have made Hell, for the disbelievers, a prison-bed." {Chapter 17 verse 8 al Quran}.

So here in the above verse of the Quran (verse no 8) Allah says But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]. It means punishment like already done two times before as mentioned in Quran {Chapter 17 Verses no 4,5,6 and 7}.

The Jews (especially Zios) already returned to sin in many aspects,
Like
1. The Interest-based Banking system was developed and started by Jews, Which is highly prohibited in Islam (Quran) which is from Allah almighty.
2. They captured the land of Palestinians, and now they are on the way to displacing Palestinians from their homeland, etc…
3- They are the masterminds of chaos and terror around the world. They are literally controlling heads of all the great powers of the world, the media, the monetary system, and many more.

So finally they deserved the punishment as mentioned in Holy Quran (The Book from Allah almighty). Which is “But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]”.
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نَاۤ اِلٰى بَنِىۡۤ اِسۡرَاۤءِيۡلَ فِى الۡكِتٰبِ لَـتُفۡسِدُنَّ فِى الۡاَرۡضِ مَرَّتَيۡنِ وَلَتَعۡلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبِيۡرًا

17:4. And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.

فَاِذَا جَآءَ وَعۡدُ اُوۡلٰٮهُمَا بَعَثۡنَا عَلَيۡكُمۡ عِبَادًا لَّنَاۤ اُولِىۡ بَاۡسٍ شَدِيۡدٍ فَجَاسُوۡا خِلٰلَ الدِّيَارِ ‌ؕ وَكَانَ وَعۡدًا مَّفۡعُوۡلًا

17:5. So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.

ثُمَّ رَدَدۡنَا لَـكُمُ الۡكَرَّةَ عَلَيۡهِمۡ وَاَمۡدَدۡنٰـكُمۡ بِاَمۡوَالٍ وَّبَنِيۡنَ وَجَعَلۡنٰكُمۡ اَكۡثَرَ نَفِيۡرًا

17:6. Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.

اِنۡ اَحۡسَنۡتُمۡ اَحۡسَنۡتُمۡ لِاَنۡفُسِكُمۡ‌ۖوَاِنۡ اَسَاۡتُمۡ فَلَهَا ‌ؕ فَاِذَا جَآءَ وَعۡدُ الۡاٰخِرَةِ لِيَسُـوْۤءُو ا وُجُوۡهَكُمۡ وَلِيَدۡخُلُوا الۡمَسۡجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوۡهُ اَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَّلِيُتَبِّرُوۡا مَا عَلَوۡا تَتۡبِيۡرًا‏

17:7(Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.

I will be a contrarian; instead of looking at these silly issues.

Let us ask our selves; what have we muslims done to improve ourselves. Instead verses are being sought for conspiracies of A, B, C.

Read the first opening verse of the quraan..... it says ... 'read'.... most muslims cannot even read anymore.

 

[imadul]

And when would we deserve it?

We intend to be objective, but our objectivism is also subjective.
We believe what Quran and Messenger صل الله علي وسلم say, not blindly but with research and knowledgeability. Whatever our Messenger has said about conquest of Persian and Byzantium empires during the siege of Confederate aka Battle of the Trench proved true within next 30 years.

On Messiah, there are more jews and Christians (majority european) who await Messiah.
Jews awaiting false one, and Christians have faulty information.
No one can/should give timeframe, but happening in Jerusalem are cataclysmic. But everyone has right to their opinion.

 

[BHAN85]

We intend to be objective, but our objectivism is also subjective.
We believe what Quran and Messenger صل الله علي وسلم say, not blindly but with research and knowledgeability. Whatever our Messenger has said about conquest of Persian and Byzantium empires during the siege of Confederate aka Battle of the Trench proved true within next 30 years.

On Messiah, there are more jews and Christians (majority european) who await Messiah.
Jews awaiting false one, and Christians have faulty information.
No one can/should give timeframe, but happening in Jerusalem are cataclysmic. But everyone has right to their opinion.

Just one question.

In Islam: Messiah will be Jesus/Isa (son of Joseph and Mary) coming back to Earth or another guy?

Christian also believe in a Jesus second coming.

If I'm not wrong, Muslims also believe in Jesus/Isa as prophet, but not as Messiah. They believe he left Earth ascending to heaven instead through crucifixion (so they dont use cross symbol), although Christianity also believe that, i.e: Christians believe he died in the cross, resurrected, and ascended to the heaven.

 

[uhuru]

We intend to be objective, but our objectivism is also subjective.
We believe what Quran and Messenger صل الله علي وسلم say, not blindly but with research and knowledgeability. Whatever our Messenger has said about conquest of Persian and Byzantium empires during the siege of Confederate aka Battle of the Trench proved true within next 30 years.

On Messiah, there are more jews and Christians (majority european) who await Messiah.
Jews awaiting false one, and Christians have faulty information.
No one can/should give timeframe, but happening in Jerusalem are cataclysmic. But everyone has right to their opinion.

we need to grow up first and make bettwe society with our work, education and deeds.

Let almighty deal with the rest. Muslims are in dark ages right now; just debating such useless parabol is not going to make their lives better.

 

[BHAN85]

we need to grow up first and make bettwe society with our work, education and deeds.

Let almighty deal with the rest. Muslims are in dark ages right now; just debating such useless parabol is not going to make their lives better.

This is a defence forum, and religion prophecies about future conflicts can be self made by enemies to deceive people, so it's good and interesting know it well.

 

[imadul]

Just one question.

In Islam: Messiah will be Jesus/Isa (son of Joseph and Mary) coming back to Earth or another guy?

Christian also believe in a Jesus second coming.

If I'm not wrong, Muslims also believe in Jesus/Isa as prophet, but not as Messiah. They believe he left Earth ascending to heaven instead through crucifixion (so they dont use cross symbol), although Christianity also believe that, i.e: Christians believe he died in the cross, resurrected, and ascended to the heaven.

It is a bit long, let me try to be as brief.
The Messenger SAW said، Indeed Isa son of Mary shall come as a just ruler.
Christian has other meaning of Messiah. Messiah actually meant to anoint, which Jesus used to do with water or oil. Word is now used allegorically in political sense also.

When jews worked with Roman govt to kill Jesus, they took him and crucified.
In Bible, the person denied to be Jesus and people laughed at him, but at one point that person, possibly Judas Iscariot, just shut up. Possibly his physygnomy changed and he just realized that!

Quran says for sure they did not kill him nor crucify him, matter made doubtful.

Jews await a great military leader as Messiah who can from their massive kingdom.

Muslim faith, near end time Mehdi will lead Muslims, then Anti Christ shall come, jewish Messiah, then Jesus son or Mary.

 

[my2cents]

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Trying to troll in some way. Kafirs do not only belong to India. Kafirs can be from any religion. Kafirs can be from Muslims also. Anybody who denies the existence of God (only one God) is a kafir. And any Muslim who, although believes in one God (Allah) but disobeys Allah's teachings and ways can also be a kafir.
P.S. In India most of the people are ''mushriks'' not kafirs.
Mushriks have a separate definition. They can be even worse than kafirs.

I read that only 5% of your population do namaz 5 times. You still have interest based banking system. You take loans on interest. So, 95% of your population are kafirs by your definition.

 

[Foinikas]

Trying to troll in some way. Kafirs do not only belong to India. Kafirs can be from any religion. Kafirs can be from Muslims also. Anybody who denies the existence of God (only one God) is a kafir. And any Muslim who, although believes in one God (Allah) but disobeys Allah's teachings and ways can also be a kafir.
P.S. In India most of the people are ''mushriks'' not kafirs.
Mushriks have a separate definition. They can be even worse than kafirs.

What if you are the kafir?

 

[Signalian]

During my visits to Pakistan when I was young, I would hear these sorts of tales of saints grabbing bombs and tossing them into a running river, etc. Unfortunately, Pakistanis and others typically buy into these narratives that have no basis in reality.

I confirmed that from veterans of 1965 war who said Allah helped them but angels part is a myth only, none saw that in reality.

 

[Foinikas]

On Messiah, there are more jews and Christians (majority european) who await Messiah.

The Messiah has come.

What are you waiting for?

 

[Signalian]

Quran Predicted about the end of Isreal (Jews) for the third time in the below verse. Just before this verse the 3 verses of the Quran already discussed about the two-time fall and rise of bani Isreal (Jews). Now come to our topic the end of Jews (the illegal state of Isreal nowadays) for the third time,


[Then Allah said], "It is expected, [if you repent], that your Lord will have mercy upon you. But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]. And We have made Hell, for the disbelievers, a prison-bed." {Chapter 17 verse 8 al Quran}.

So here in the above verse of the Quran (verse no 8) Allah says But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]. It means punishment like already done two times before as mentioned in Quran {Chapter 17 Verses no 4,5,6 and 7}.

The Jews (especially Zios) already returned to sin in many aspects,
Like
1. The Interest-based Banking system was developed and started by Jews, Which is highly prohibited in Islam (Quran) which is from Allah almighty.
2. They captured the land of Palestinians, and now they are on the way to displacing Palestinians from their homeland, etc…
3- They are the masterminds of chaos and terror around the world. They are literally controlling heads of all the great powers of the world, the media, the monetary system, and many more.

So finally they deserved the punishment as mentioned in Holy Quran (The Book from Allah almighty). Which is “But if you return [to sin], We will return [to punishment]”.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

نَاۤ اِلٰى بَنِىۡۤ اِسۡرَاۤءِيۡلَ فِى الۡكِتٰبِ لَـتُفۡسِدُنَّ فِى الۡاَرۡضِ مَرَّتَيۡنِ وَلَتَعۡلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبِيۡرًا

17:4. And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.

فَاِذَا جَآءَ وَعۡدُ اُوۡلٰٮهُمَا بَعَثۡنَا عَلَيۡكُمۡ عِبَادًا لَّنَاۤ اُولِىۡ بَاۡسٍ شَدِيۡدٍ فَجَاسُوۡا خِلٰلَ الدِّيَارِ ‌ؕ وَكَانَ وَعۡدًا مَّفۡعُوۡلًا

17:5. So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.

ثُمَّ رَدَدۡنَا لَـكُمُ الۡكَرَّةَ عَلَيۡهِمۡ وَاَمۡدَدۡنٰـكُمۡ بِاَمۡوَالٍ وَّبَنِيۡنَ وَجَعَلۡنٰكُمۡ اَكۡثَرَ نَفِيۡرًا

17:6. Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.

اِنۡ اَحۡسَنۡتُمۡ اَحۡسَنۡتُمۡ لِاَنۡفُسِكُمۡ‌ۖوَاِنۡ اَسَاۡتُمۡ فَلَهَا ‌ؕ فَاِذَا جَآءَ وَعۡدُ الۡاٰخِرَةِ لِيَسُـوْۤءُو ا وُجُوۡهَكُمۡ وَلِيَدۡخُلُوا الۡمَسۡجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوۡهُ اَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَّلِيُتَبِّرُوۡا مَا عَلَوۡا تَتۡبِيۡرًا‏

17:7(Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.

Jews have brains to be ahead than others and rule the world. If Muslims had enough brains, they would be ahead of Jews and this topic wouldn’t have been born since it seems to be carved out from the fact that Muslims lag behind Jews.