What Do Indians Want From Pakistan !

[jericho]

Actually we Indians want progressive democratic educated Pakistan so as India withall basic amenities and world class infrastructure. Like France Germany United through European union,I want to see Indian union of India,Pakistan, banladesh with free movenent,common currency less religious people.sorry for my English..typing difficult in a mobile

that's the problem right there

 

[Divergent]

They want the Biryani.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The nations west of Pakistan (except for the GCC and Turkey) are all extremist hell-holes. Turkey currently has its hands full and picking fights on Pakistan's behalf is the last thing on their agenda. And even GCC has no value except oil. China of course can be a benefactor, and also provide diplomatic support. But can a country of 200 million depend on one country's good grace?

But seriously, I am curious. Why do you think that good relations with India will harm Pakistan?

But the key to solving the extremist problems in Pakistan lie in the nations West off us. Which is why it is more important than anything else that Pakistan fully engages with them.

The main problem with having a relationship with india, is that the enmity between the 2 can never be reversed.

 

[Kathin_Singh]

1. India has never accepted making of Pakistan and wish to undo the Partition of 1947 and bring back Pak under Hindu dominated control.

If India just want to occupies Pakistan, then why did India vacate East Pakistan i.e. Bangladesh just after capturing it?

Neither India is interested in occupying nor capable of occupying Pakistan. In Kashmir we are not able to fully control few radicalized elements what makes you think we would control BILLIONS of them?

2. India has illegally occupied Muslim majority region of Kashmir which should have been part of Pakistan, considering the spirit of Partition in which all Muslim majority regions going to Pakistan and Hindu ones going to India .

I got your point. But try to look this from my point of view.

Indian subcontinent was not just Hindu and Muslims. There were Sikhs,Christian,Buddhists,Parsi and Jains too. Then there were different languages and customs. Throw some castes factors in that too along with all human races possible from african ,Mongoloid to Mixed Caucasoid. India was a melting pot of cultures and races. Whoever come here become Indianized but some insisted on the "pureness" and Pakistan was the result.

Still India has Sikh dominated Punjab,Meghalaya and Nagaland are christian dominated states.Even Lakshadweep Union territory has 95% muslims. India exist because of its diversity.

India see itself as a secular country and the biggest test of Indian secularism lies in Kashmir.

3. India is illegally stopping the water from rivers of Kashmir in negation to the Indus Water Treaty of 1960.

I agree there is always fear of water insecurity in lower riparian state. That fear is being exploited. But Truth is that not even for single day Indus water Treaty was compromised till now even when we were in war in 65,71 and 99.

4. India has always been supporting anti Pakistan and separatist movements within Pakistan to either weaken or disintegrate Pakistan and making of Bangladesh and current Indian activities to support Baloch , Pashtun, Sindhi , Mohajir separatist movements and terrorist TTP is an example of this .

Can you tell me what those Laskar-e-Taiba,Jaish-e-Mohammad doing in Pakistan ? who supported Khalistani movement in 80's and 90's? This street opens from both ends.


Solution: Make LoC a international border;Both Kashmirs progressively de-militarised;Open the trade routes and make Visa liberal; South Asia is energy hungry region we can put collective demand to make oil cheaper; Divert the defence budget to more schools and hospitals; some friendly matches of Best players of South Asia vs Best white players of Australia,England,South Africa and NZ combined.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

dream on buddy... Non stop from 70 years, continue for eternity. India actually wants pakistan to come out of this illusion. That answers all questions of OP

As a Pakistani my idea is that best way for Kashmir solution is to ask the Kashmiri people what do they want ! Of course neither India or Pakistan would like to give up their position on Kashmir so easily but it can be worked out in stages.

As first stage lets make both Indian and Pakistani Kashmir a free military zone .......in second stage allow both Kashmiris across the border to travel and do business with each others ............in third stage lets give both regions semi autonomy within Pakistan and Indian control ............finally let Kashmiris decide where they wish to live ! After all its their land and they have right to decide !

why are you twisting the UN resolution which itself is unbinding... and non forceful. Pakistan did not wanted to give plebiscite option to Kashmiris else they would have implemented the 1st and 2nd step of the resolution. it's been 70 years now. Alot of water has flown under the bridge... so live with it...
a famous politician once said... Pakistan can never win Kashmir and India can never loose it..

On the other hand the only option I believe is to freeze the Kashmir issue for 100 years open the borders make the region as EU and live in peace. let later generations decide do they really see the Kashmir issue with the same lens.

 

[Jaam92]

Fawad Khan as their National Like Adnan SAMI

 

[Black Mamba1]

1. India has never accepted making of Pakistan and wish to undo the Partition of 1947 and bring back Pak under Hindu dominated control.
Another conspiracy theory or Propaganda. Majority of Indians including Indian politicians don't care much about re-union. There are some people including media monkeys who want war, so that they can make money through ratings.

2. India has illegally occupied Muslim majority region of Kashmir which should have been part of Pakistan, considering the spirit of Partition in which all Muslim majority regions going to Pakistan and Hindu ones going to India .
Legal accession. Nothing more nothing less. King of Kashmir was the sovereign authority. There were many more Muslim majority places, including Malabar region of South India, Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh Many districts in UP state. So its an irrelevant thing to say. There were Muslim majority districts in different states. There should be one reference in which partition can be done. Not vaguely speaking "Muslim Majority".

3. India is illegally stopping the water from rivers of Kashmir in negation to the Indus Water Treaty of 1960.
India is looking for options to fully use the water that can be used according to the treaty. Now India only uses 20% what India can access, rest 80% is flown into Pakistan.

4. India has always been supporting anti Pakistan and separatist movements within Pakistan to either weaken or disintegrate Pakistan and making of Bangladesh and current Indian activities to support Baloch , Pashtun, Sindhi , Mohajir separatist movements and terrorist TTP is an example of this .
Bangladeshi people disagree with you anyway. There is no credible proof of financing or any support to separatists in Pakistan. Not even a single proof is provided for India's support for TTP or any organization.

We Indian's don't have any problem with Pakistan, I would rather say. We have huge problems to solve within our own system. We can't afford to funding any other organization or to destabilize countries. If we were like America I will agree with your claims for some points. But this is India.

India does not anything big from Pakistan except few minor things-

1. Stop Terrorism
2. Stop border der violence
3. Give trade passage to Afghanistan and Central Asia

 

[Great Sachin]

nothing

 

[t_for_talli]

As a Pakistani , I have lived a life of over 50 years in which India is seen as arch enemy of Pakistan and I believe it is same across the border on local level. Inside my heart I always have a wish to see normal relations between both Pakistan and India but somehow my inner wish never seem to come true because of one reason or another .

I wish to start this thread asking an honest question pointed towards Indians that what exactly they expect Pakistan to do to normalize relations ? In other words what are their complains regarding Pakistan ?

And following question is that how much India is willing to cooperate with Pakistan in making relations normal ? In other words what advantage can Pakistan have from India in case of normal relations between two countries?

Here I do like to mention that while answering my question Indians should also realize that most of Pakistanis have following complains about India :

1. India has never accepted making of Pakistan and wish to undo the Partition of 1947 and bring back Pak under Hindu dominated control.

2. India has illegally occupied Muslim majority region of Kashmir which should have been part of Pakistan, considering the spirit of Partition in which all Muslim majority regions going to Pakistan and Hindu ones going to India .

3. India is illegally stopping the water from rivers of Kashmir in negation to the Indus Water Treaty of 1960.

4. India has always been supporting anti Pakistan and separatist movements within Pakistan to either weaken or disintegrate Pakistan and making of Bangladesh and current Indian activities to support Baloch , Pashtun, Sindhi , Mohajir separatist movements and terrorist TTP is an example of this .

What do Indians have to say about these complains which Pakistanis have about them and what can they do to negate these feelings in case if Indians are willing to have better relations with Pakistan?

Lets see what kind of response I get on this thread specially from other side of the border .

Only two things
- No interference in India's internal matters
- Return Pakistan occupied Kashmir

Thats it, rest are your assumptions which are result of propoganda by your media/ govt

1. India has never accepted making of Pakistan and wish to undo the Partition of 1947 and bring back Pak under Hindu dominated control.

Total bullshit, Akhand Bharat is myth, and stop assuming India = Hindu

2. India has illegally occupied Muslim majority region of Kashmir which should have been part of Pakistan, considering the spirit of Partition in which all Muslim majority regions going to Pakistan and Hindu ones going to India .

There is no Illegal occupation, Border was decided and there were princely states. King of Kashmir agreed to be with India after Pakistan attack.
Muslim majority = Pakistan is bull shit theory, Hyderabad/ North western UP were Muslim majority but are part of India.

3. India is illegally stopping the water from rivers of Kashmir in negation to the Indus Water Treaty of 1960.

4. India has always been supporting anti Pakistan and separatist movements within Pakistan to either weaken or disintegrate Pakistan and making of Bangladesh and current Indian activities to support Baloch , Pashtun, Sindhi , Mohajir separatist movements and terrorist TTP is an example of this .

Return Occupied Kashmir and there will be no action against Indian side.

 

[Ryuzaki]

India wants a progressive Pakistan with which we can trade and prosper together.However,that will remain a pipe dream because the current Pakistani establisment mentality is "Bharat ka hai ek ilaaj,Al-Jihad,Al-Jihad"

 

[takeiteasy]

India will want a less religious Pakistan. Pakistan were liberals and seculars thrive. In reality, pakistan the country which sees India as the land of Kuffar, the idolaters, the arch enemy mentioned in the holy books. Those blind mu'amins who want to see Gazwatul Hind to happen. The true believers who take pride in ready to kill themselves and infidels in the name of Islam and Nabi. (Most PDF members will wash off this attitude as rare-off case, but every Pakistani is brainwashed this way from childhood?)
India wants a Pakistan where a Murtad can live a free life with free access to criticize religion. - Is that going to happen? No! So, you know the answer. Bigotry and fanaticism are the key features and Pakistanis unite in the name of enemity towards Kuffar country - India. Indians really knows that. India wants to protect itself from Pakistani blind Islamic hatred and ambition to conquer and enslave Hindus like ancient swashbucklers like Babur did. Your ideal ruler is one like Aurangazaeb. That tells a lot.

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Actually we Indians want progressive democratic educated Pakistan

that's why i see indians on different forums complaining about CPEC & doing false propaganda about it.
A Progressive Pakistan is nightmare for India !!

 

[gslv mk3]

India will want a less religious Pakistan. Pakistan were liberals and seculars thrive. In reality, pakistan the country which sees India as the land of Kuffar, the idolaters, the arch enemy mentioned in the holy books. Those blind mu'amins who want to see Gazwatul Hind to happen. The true believers who take pride in ready to kill themselves and infidels in the name of Islam and Nabi. (Most PDF members will wash off this attitude as rare-off case, but every Pakistani is brainwashed this way from childhood?)
India wants a Pakistan where a Murtad can live a free life with free access to criticize religion. - Is that going to happen? No! So, you know the answer. Bigotry and fanaticism are the key features and Pakistanis unite in the name of enemity towards Kuffar country - India. Indians really knows that. India wants to protect itself from Pakistani blind Islamic hatred and ambition to conquer and enslave Hindus like ancient swashbucklers like Babur did. Your ideal ruler is one like Aurangazaeb. That tells a lot.

Ith ennaa pati ?

why i see indians on different forums complaining about CPEC

CPEC passes through disputed territory & is a concern for us. We don't have problems with Chinese investment in Pakistan.

 

[El_Swordsmen]

CPEC passes through disputed territory & is a concern for us. We don't have problems with Chinese investment in Pakistan.

disputed territory ??
could you please elaborate !!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

CPEC passes through disputed territory & is a concern for us. We don't have problems with Chinese investment in Pakistan.

So you are saying IOK is diputed?