WHAT ABOUT GRIPEN.

[SBD-3]

i dont know why we are so enthusiastic about every new bird available we only have 11 Bn USDs in our coffers not like 200+ like India or 2000+ like China so the options are limited. do we wana compete US? we should think for best within our limits and yes if we really wana buy somthing I have a plan
lets start contributing 100Rs per member per month towards defence fund i think we ll have quite a money in coming years and perhaps after 25 30 years we might be able to buy JSF or JXX

 

[Usmangqureshi]

i think the PAF is saving funds

for Jf-17
as we need 250 or more of them. That is a huge cost

also they are more interested in getting the J-31 or paf name Jf-31

both Jf-17 and J-31 use the same engines

also india in the future has

Su-30MKI, Rafales, Mig-29IN, PAK-FA along side mirrage 2000's, mig-21 bisons.

so PAF needs a 5th gen aircraft.

the best bet is investing in the J-31 and Jf-17
we need huge funds for that so we cant waste more on other platforms like F-16's

the F-16s have more than serves the Paf since the 80;s

also F-16 production line closes if it dosnt get new orders.

even at an avg cost of 30million a piece for JF-17 block-2 / 3

250 aircrafts cost a whopping 7.5 billion dollars plus 3-4 billion for spares, missiles, equipements etc

 

[fatman17]

Gripen is off the board due to American engine plus some of the avionics. It's like buying American.

 

[syedali73]

Gripen is off the board due to American engine plus some of the avionics. It's like buying American.

Why F-16 (an all American aircraft) is acceptable but not an aircraft that flies on an American engine?

 

[Psychic]

Why F-16 (an all American aircraft) is acceptable but not an aircraft that flies on an American engine?

Gripen is in the same category as JF-17. No need to buy it.

 

[syedali73]

Gripen is in the same category as JF-17. No need to buy it.

You did not get my pun, did you? There is no debate if Gripen is in the same category as JF-17 (though difference in performance is obvious mainly due to avionics) but if it is being (or have been) rejected because of its American engine.

 

[cerberus]

Gripen is in the same category as JF-17. No need to buy it.

No jf-17 is still far from being a multirole fighter

 

[Psychic]

No jf-17 is still far from being a multirole fighter

OK. I believe you

You did not get my pun, did you? There is no debate if Gripen is in the same category as JF-17 (though difference in performance is obvious mainly due to avionics) but if it is being (or have been) rejected because of its American engine.

You are right as your post was in response to another member but the fact is it was never in consideration of PAF to buy Gripen. The OP makes an assumption and this thread is outdated.

 

[syedali73]

OK. I believe you

You are right as your post was in response to another member but the fact is it was never in consideration of PAF to buy Gripen. The OP makes an assumption and this thread is outdated.

At some point of time it was tested by PAF officials but boy o' boy, only God knows exactly how and what makes PAF officials to finalize an aircraft, is it commission, or performance, or what.

 

[Psychic]

At some point of time it was tested by PAF officials but boy o' boy, only God knows exactly how and what makes PAF officials to finalize an aircraft, is it commission, or performance, or what.

Even if they tested, there was no point in buying an aircraft having similar capabilities to that of JF17.
A heavy or F-16 is different though

 

[syedali73]

Even if they tested, there was no point in buying an aircraft having similar capabilities to that of JF17.
A heavy or F-16 is different though

The time PAF showed interest in Gripen was early 2004, a time when JF-17 had only done a dozen or so of its maiden flights and Pakistan was expecting a war with India. With only a handful of F-16s PAF was in most pathetic state of its history.

 

[Arsalan]

Why F-16 (an all American aircraft) is acceptable but not an aircraft that flies on an American engine?

F-16 is something different, we have lots of experience on this platform, our pilots know it inside out. All the infrastructure is already here so inducting new planes is cheaper. That is why PAF tend to compromise on country of origin and go for this war proven machine that they know very well. Gripen is a different story, inducting new platform PAF will not want to repeat the same mistake and go for another sanction prone system. When investing heavily on a new plane, they surely will want the absolute maximum from it, Gripen won’t offer that.