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What about Antonov An-124 to replace old C-130 Aircraft?

The C-295M is EADS CASA twin-turboprop transport aircraft developed by the former Construccionnes Aeronáuticas SA (CASA), based in Madrid and a founder member of the EADS company.

The new C-295 is a stretched derivative of the CN-235 transporter, with characteristic high-wing, rear-loader design. The aircraft is noted for its short take-off and landing capability on semi-prepared runways and for the large payload capacity of 9,250kg. The landing and take-off run of just 320m and 670m allow the aircraft access to runways close to operational or crisis areas or where supplies and troops are needed.

CASA announced the aircraft in June 1997 at the Paris Air Show at Le Bourget and the first production C-295 made its first flight in 1998.The aircraft was granted INTA certification for military operations, and DGAG and FAA (FAR part 25) certification in 1999.

In 1999, the Spanish Ministry of Defence placed a contract for nine C-295M transport aircraft. The aircraft entered service with the Spanish Air Force in November 2001 and delivery of the aircraft completed in 2006. A further two aircraft were ordered in 2005, two in 2006 and two in 2007 to bring the fleet to 15.

Other orders include: Air Force of Poland (eight - deliveries complete), United Arab Emirates Navy (four for maritime patrol), Brazilian Air Force (12 to support the SIVAM Amazon monitoring project, first delivered in October 2006), Swiss Air Force (two), Royal Jordanian Air Force (two), Algerian Air Force (six) and the Finnish Air Force (two).

In April 2005, Venezuela ordered ten C-295 transport aircraft, but the USA denied the export licence necessary for the American content of the aircraft and the order has been revoked. In February 2006, Portugal ordered 12 C-295 aircraft, seven for military transport and five for maritime surveillance. Deliveries began in November 2008.

Poland ordered an additional two aircraft in October 2006 (delivered in September 2007) and two in October 2007 (to be delivered in 2009) to bring its fleet to 12 aircraft. In October 2007, the Chilean Navy purchased three aircraft. The Columbian Air Force ordered four aircraft in November 2007. The Czech Air Force ordered four C-295 aircraft in May 2009. Deliveries began at the end of 2009 and will conclude by the end of 2010.

EADS CASA was teamed with Raytheon to offer the C-295 combined with the CN-235-300 for the US Army / Air Force joint cargo aircraft (JCA) competition. The C-27J was chosen in June 2007.

C-295M cockpit

The flight deck is fitted with dual controls for the pilot and co-pilot. The aircraft is equipped with fully digital integrated TopDeck avionics suite supplied by Thales. The displays, including four 152mm x 203mm (6in x 8in) Thales colour liquid crystal displays, are compatible with Night Vision Goggles (NVG).

"C-295M has short take-off and landing capability on semi-prepared runways."The maritime patrol variant (MP Persuader) can be fitted with EADS CASA FITS mission system.

Aircraft for the UAE Navy are fitted with FITS, which consists of four multi-function consoles and integrates data from sensors including search radar, forward-looking infrared (FLIR), TV cameras or other sensors.

Two head-up displays can also be fitted as an option.

The communications suite includes two or three UHF/VHF radios, a single or dual HF radio and an audio control system. The C-295 is also fitted with a cockpit voice recorder (CVR), identification friend or foe (IFF) system, the flight data recorder (FDR) and an emergency locator transponder (ELT).

The aircraft is equipped with a dual Thales flight management system, controlled through two multifunction controller display units (MCDU), dual air data units type ADU 3000 from Thales, dual attitude heading and reference systems (AHRS), manufactured by Thales, two radar altimeters (radalt) and an optional Honeywell ground proximity warning system.

Other navigation equipment includes two multimode receivers (MMR), two automatic direction finders (ADF), one direction finder (DF) and two distance measuring equipment (DME) units. There are also three possible configurations for long-range and autonomous navigation: two integrated inertial navigation and global positioning systems (INS/GPS), two GPS or two GPS plus one INS/GPS.

The colour weather radar, a Honeywell RDR-I400C, has search, beacon and vertical navigation ground mapping modes. Portuguese Air Force C-295s are fitted with Northrop Grumman AN/APN-241 colour weather radar.

The aircraft can be fitted with alternative communications and navigational systems to suit the customer country's operational requirements. Optional equipment includes an enhanced terrain collision avoidance system (TCAS), tactical air navigation (TACAN), category II instrument landing system, a microwave landing system and satellite communications.

"The C-295M is EADS CASA twin-turboprop transport aircraft."Cabin

The main cabin can be fitted with two or three rows of foldable seats to accommodate 48 fully equipped paratroops or up to 75 troops. There are two paratroop doors, one on each side at the rear part of the cabin. The cabin is fully air conditioned and pressurised.

The cabin can be configured for medical evacuation missions for 27 litters (stretcher patients) and four medical staff. An alternative configuration accommodates an intensive care unit for 12 stretcher patients.

The cabin can be fitted for mixed cargo and passenger transport, or for all cargo operations. A roller loading system is installed and a wide ventral door and cargo ramp in the upswept rear fuselage provide easy cargo access.

The cabin holds up to 57m³ of cargo and can accommodate up to three light vehicles, Land Rovers or equivalent, or five 2.24m × 2.74m (standard 88in × 108in) pallets.

Countermeasures

The C-295 can be fitted with the Indra ALR-300V2B radar warner and BAE Systems ANALE-47 chaff / flares dispenser.

C-295M engines

The aircraft is powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PW127G turboprop engines, each rated at 1,972kW and at 2,177kW with auto power reserve. The engines drive six-bladed composite propellers, type HS-568F-5 developed by Hamilton Sundstrand. The blades, of 3.89m diameter, have autofeathering and synchrophasing.

"The cabin holds up to 57m³ of cargo."The aircraft carries a 7,700l fuel load, giving a maximum range of 5,630km.

The aircraft can be equipped with an optional probe for probe and drogue refuelling, so the range can be extended by in-flight refuelling.

Landing gear

The aircraft is fitted with tricycle-type retractable landing gear designed by Messier-Dowty. The landing gear is designed to allow operation from semi-prepared runways, down to runway class CBR-2, and is equipped with levered suspension and oleo-pneumatic shock absorbers.

The main landing gear, each equipped with two wheels in tandem, is installed in fairings on the underside of the fuselage. The gear is fitted with Dunlop hydraulically operated differential disc brakes and an anti-skid system. The steerable nose wheel is fitted with twin wheels.

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Embraer, one of the world's largest aircraft manufacturers, obtained an order from the Brazilian Air Force for its KC-390 medium-weight military transport jet on 14 April 2009. The new high-wing aircraft is expected to fly in 2012 and enter service in 2015. With the launch of the KC-390, competition in the 20t air transport segment has intensified.

Embraer (Empresa Brasileira de Aeronáutica SA) has entered into a $1.3bn contract with the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) to provide 23 planes over seven years. Features of the KC-390 will be in compliance with the new National Defense Strategy and meet the needs of the FAB. The new aircraft will replace 22 Lockheed Martin C-130E/H and KC-130 that are currently a part of the FAB.

Embraer president and CEO Frederico Fleury Curado said, "The launch of the KC-390 programme is a new landmark in the historical strategic partnership between the Brazilian Air Force and Embraer."

"The KC-390 is a medium-weight military transport jet."He further stated that the development of the KC-390 will result in an effective cargo and tanker aircraft for the FAB, becoming another successful export platform for both Embraer and Brazil. The KC-390 is expected to change the tactical airlift landscape and will be a direct competitor to Lockheed Martin's successful C-130J.

KC-390 technical details

The twin-turbofan-powered KC-390 can be refuelled in flight and can be used for in-flight or on-ground refuelling of other aircraft. The new 20t jet is technically advanced and has fly-by-wire technology, which optimises mission results thereby reducing pilot workload. It also helps increase the safety and capability for operating on short and rustic runways.

The military aircraft will have a cargo bay equipped with an aft ramp similar to Hercules, and capable of transporting a wide variety of cargo (weighing up to 19t), including armoured vehicles. It will be outfitted with state-of-the-art loading and unloading systems for handling cargo.

A study on the KC-390 (earlier named C-390) aircraft was presented at LAAD 2007. The research and development expenses of C-390 were $600m and shared among Embraer and various partners led by the FAB.

The twin-engine jet-powered Embraer KC-390 also integrates the technological solutions developed for Embraer 190 commercial aircraft. It is expected to carry 84 military personnel and the cargo cabin will be configured for transporting the wounded or sick, on medical evacuation (MEDEVAC) missions.

"The KC-390 transport jet is the largest and most complicated aircraft ever undertaken by Embraer."Developing the KC-390

The KC-390 is the largest and most complicated aircraft ever undertaken by Embraer. It will also be the Brazilian manufacturer's first new military product in more than a decade. It is expected to be assembled at Embraer's Gavião Peixoto plant in Brazil.

Considering the delays in the production of Airbus A400M military airlifter and the time taken by Lockheed Martin to achieve full operational capability with the C-130J, both Embraer and its competitors say that developing KC-390 will not be easy. Although the Brazilian government will be funding, any delay in the development would weaken Embraer's defence growth.

In the next two years Embraer will complete definition studies, freeze the configuration, and make supplier decisions jointly with the FAB. Participation of other countries and companies in this programme is being evaluated in consultation with the FAB.
 
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Super falcon in all due respect bahi you seem to always go the other way for everything.. not the way boss don't mind. You have to understand we will not get what we have no need for and as you know funds is always a issue trust me when i tell you this as having family and friends in PAF they will not buy any other transport plane for a long time and if they need it they will get them from PIA infact PAF likes the c-130 so much that if they really need more transport aircrafts they most likely try to get more from the US also you have to keep in mind with these really big huge aircrafts you are talking about it will be impossible for PAF to operate them in remote areas where the airfields short c-130 manage to do this not these huge aircrafts it makes no sennse for PAF at all. Try to understand the logic behind things before making a wish list bahi who wouldn't like to see something like c-17 addition to the c-130's but its not gona happen so its useless to talk about in general this thread is useless as it is i hope you understand what iam saying no hard feelings.
 
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India itself ordering c-130 over an. Bcs an series drink bulk of fuel.
 
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topgun bhai i never put them on wish list that we must buy them im just saying if PAF ever wanted transport and they want to buy new transport plane C 17 is the best available option i know we dont need anything in transport no need the guy was saying antonov is best for paf i said that better than antonov is C 17 so many airforces bought it and paf wants to buy than buy C 17 i never put them on order from PAF
 
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Boeing 747 is not ideal , one of the things that is important in military transport planes is to drop supplies while in flight ...

I doubt the 747 can drop loads of supplies while in air

Also the 747 need a big runway to land - which is not possible in real battle fields where sometimes all you have is a dirt paved ground

While we have like what 18 transport planes and these have heavy milage on them.

We really need to have at least 40 transport planes in our inventories

Remember an army with no food or ammunition is pretty much a dead duck

Transport planes & helicopters make a big difference in tactical conventional wars.

Luckily China has developed heavy transport helicopters and we can sure use 20 of these plus if we get some heavy transport planes those would be great for our Army & forces needs

Also from Humanitarian stand point of view , we can move more aid to areas in Pakistan effected by war & earth quakes etc

Planes that we had since 1965 I mean really these have to also have to be retired at some point
 
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You could try to join the A-400M program. That is what Turkey has joined to replace our C-130s.

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When discussing transport aircraft, we should distinguish between strategic and tactical airlifters. Looking back, pre-1971 Pakistan did actually need strategic airlifters but currenly tactical airlifters are almost enough to do the job.

C-130 is a very versatile aircraft and whats not normally mentioned is that it has a short-field take-off capability too in addition to the rough field operation. Its available in its stretched versions like the C-130s of UK are stretched as compared to original models.

The rough fielding operation capability is not a must for the strategic airlifters like An-124 discussed here.

Among the Russian airlifters, IL-76 have the capability to adjust the tyre pressure from the cockpit during flight, which enables it to land anywhere without pre-planning. This can be helpful during change of plans or emergencies or multiple landings on rough ground and standard runways.
 
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What about Antonov An-124 to replace old C-130 Aircraft?

First of all you cannot replace anything with anything.

I am sure you must have your reasons to come up with this thread but unfortunately I can’t see them anywhere, except few borrowed lines and pictures.

Anyways, before we discuss any further, please let us know that how many airforces in world are currently using AN-124 as a strategic military airlift aircraft? I guess NONE.....not even the Russians. I am sure there must be some logic behind this.


Now in Pakistan’s case, IMO C-130 is the most appropriate aircraft when it comes to airlifting. We have also enhanced our capability not only in numbers but improvement in the pilot-machine interface as well. Just few years back PAF increased its number of C-130 squadrons from one to two. PAF also acquired CN-235 that will not supplement the C-130 fleet but also spare C-130s for more specific roles.


AN-124 has some serious limitations in terms of manoeuvrability, airframe/structure life and employment. For example,in PAF, C-130s are extensively used in our northern areas in assistance of Pak Army. We have two major airfields in that area as you all know namely Skardu and Gilgit . High altitude airfields, difficult terrain and extreme weather conditions makes the northern area operations very challenging. With C-130s flying in the valleys and hugging the terrain, will AN-124 be easy to handle in the same way ? Does AN-124 processes the same agility as Hercules? Can a fully loaded AN-124 be able to takeoff from Gilgit safely? I am sure all answers are NO.


I think that keeping in mind our current economic state and future needs, PAF has pretty decent airlift fleet and we don’t need AN-124s or any other similar heavy aircraft.....yes, if we can get our hands on some more Hercules, then why not. :tup:
 
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You could try to join the A-400M program. That is what Turkey has joined to replace our C-130s.

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I recommended a similar thing. But considering the setbacks A-400M has been facing I wonder what and when would it be inducted in the member fleets. Also Pakistan not being a member nation, I think it would be the last to get the aircrafts.
 
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I recommended a similar thing. But considering the setbacks A-400M has been facing I wonder what and when would it be inducted in the member fleets. Also Pakistan not being a member nation, I think it would be the last to get the aircrafts.

Yeah i don't think they would be in the workload share for producing the aircraft. The setbacks were not looking well but it looks like now everything is back on track. I am sure the partner nations put in extra funds.
 
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