Western media spreading lies about CPEC: Chinese envoy

[GumNaam]

Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.



& China will do this with the help of a strong country & economy like Pakistans.
Wow, the delusions of grandeur.
Would you as a person pick RMB over $$'s. I highly doubt. Ha Ha

Why don't ask this guy how strong we are...

sorry, I couldn't help myself!

 

[maximuswarrior]

Mod edit: members can participate in any topic as they like.

The primary question of this topic is not Germany. The primary question of this topic is how China and Pakistan ought to counter Western propaganda against CPEC.

Stop derailing this thread.

I will rephrase myself. Nazi supporters and Pakistan haters are not allowed in this topic. I am sure the moderators will agree with this reasonable request.

@Georg gets disqualified. So does the Frenchy African colonizer.

LOL these fags claim they have never heard of Pakistan or CPEC yet here they are begging for attention.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

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The question keeps rearing its ugly head time and time again. Western propaganda against China and particularly CPEC/OBOR keeps intensifying. If you read any Western media report on CPEC the headlines are negative and fuelled with conspiracies such as "debt trap", "colonisation", "military base" etc. Media reports from nations such as the US, Germany, France, The Netherlands and others continue to promote CPEC/OBOR in a bad light.

Why is the Western world with the US at the forefront opposed to CPEC and by extension the OBOR project? Keep in mind that the Western world has never invested or shown any intent to invest a large sum of money in Pakistan meant for the development of infrastructure projects. At most, Western aid has never even reached its intended recipients.

The Western world which does not share any stake in CPEC continues to bombard this undertaking with sheer negativity in their domestic media. Yet Pakistan and China, the two main beneficiaries and actors oppose Western propaganda vehemently.

Any Western commentary on CPEC consists of their domestic "experts". Rarely is China and Pakistan included in the CPEC discussion in Western media reporting. This also reveals the biased media coverage of CPEC/OBOR.

Please share your insights as to how Pakistan and China should counter Western propaganda. Should Pakistan and China engage in a counter narrative or should they ignore the Western propaganda and simply continue to focus on the completion of CPEC? What are the pros and cons for each approach?

I can only assume that promoting CPEC in a positive manner serves both China's and Pakistan's objectives to further trade and prosperity.

PS. A request to Chinese and Pakistani members to participate in this discussion.

I think the best way to counter the propaganda is to bring on countries as participants to this trade route and to sign investments by these countries to establish industries in our trade zone. Where manufacture of new products and value addition to existing exports of pakistan are given 50/50 shares. this way we will also get industries which will refine our domestic products and export them as high quality products and will also bring in new industries. e.g. chinese can set up mango treatment plants and take our mangoes and export them to china and elsewhere. Also this will get a lot of different media of these countries to start talking about CPEC and eventually the propaganda will be replaced by constructive data about CPEC. Basically, right now its all an idea, we need actual participants with actual industries being installed for the criticism to turn constructive. The longer we sit on it, the harder it will be ot counter propaganda

 

[maximuswarrior]

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I think the best way to counter the propaganda is to bring on countries as participants to this trade route and to sign investments by these countries to establish industries in our trade zone. Where manufacture of new products and value addition to existing exports of pakistan are given 50/50 shares. this way we will also get industries which will refine our domestic products and export them as high quality products and will also bring in new industries. e.g. chinese can set up mango treatment plants and take our mangoes and export them to china and elsewhere. Also this will get a lot of different media of these countries to start talking about CPEC and eventually the propaganda will be replaced by constructive data about CPEC. Basically, right now its all an idea, we need actual participants with actual industries being installed for the criticism to turn constructive. The longer we sit on it, the harder it will be ot counter propaganda

I agree wholeheartedly. Which countries do you think could be approached to participate in CPEC? Obviously the West doesn't even make the shortlist due to their opposition to CPEC/OBOR.

How about the immediate neighborhood? Friendly Middle Eastern nations, African nations and South American nations?

Personally I believe that China is a behemoth that already fulfills all requirements. The amount of trading that China can do through CPEC is massive.

 

[B+ Dracula]

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/11/0...p-due-to-pak-chinas-free-trade-agreement/amp/


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India’s cotton yarn exports drop due to Pak-China’s Free Trade Agreement
by on November 4, 2019

• India's cotton yarn exports between April and September this year were recorded at 422mn kgs valued at $1.27bn.
  
• Under the new FTA, China would open up 90 pc of its market for Pakistani goods whereas Pakistan would share 65pc of its market with Chinese exports.

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That's called... Smooth Sailing

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Meanwhile, China is economy is start to become disengaging with the US economy, and this is becoming an inevitable trend.

China's dependence on the CPEC will also become greater, thus deeper economic ties with Pakistan and the Muslim world.

agree with all your excellent posts here but this one. Quite opposite, China is going to get more engaged with the US economically. Like Chinese, Americans are born business people and will not let a rapid growing market like China go. If you had a chance looking at the Import Expo, US has occupied more space than any other nations. This shows how keen American companies like to trade in China.

US and China are deeply bonded economically and decoupling them will hurt both significantly. Trade war is only the smoke screen and what US actually wants is more economical benefits which can only happen with more trades.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

agree with all your excellent posts here but this one. Quite opposite, China is going to get more engaged with the US economically. Like Chinese, Americans are born business people and will not let a rapid growing market like China go. If you had a chance looking at the Import Expo, US has occupied more space than any other nations. This shows how keen American companies like to trade in China.

US and China are deeply bonded economically and decoupling them will hurt both significantly. Trade war is only the smoke screen and what US actually wants is more economical benefits which can only happen with more trades.

More then what some media might say we need to get to the substance of the matter. that is Pakistan/China strategic friendship has failed miserably to translate into economic benefits for Pakistan. The fact is despite some members here bashing the west the largest market for it's exports is USA followed by the German Nazi @Georg and that Africa colonizer @Vergennes via the European Union.

As of now not only does the west host huge Pakistan diaspora [thank you providing us a decent life] but also is the largest market for Pakistani goods. This has to change. It would be interesting to see why this is so and what can be done to address this issue.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

I agree wholeheartedly. Which countries do you think could be approached to participate in CPEC? Obviously the West doesn't even make the shortlist due to their opposition to CPEC/OBOR.

How about the immediate neighborhood? Friendly Middle Eastern nations, African nations and South American nations?

Personally I believe that China is a behemoth that already fulfills all requirements. The amount of trading that China can do through CPEC is massive.

I agree, China can do the heavy lifting..but if you remember that story we have all heard about Prophet (pbuh)'s hijrat..where his opponents plotted to send in an assassin from each of the opposing 7 tribes so not one tribe can be blamed for it.. Similarly, we should open our Free Trade Zones to all countries and let american and european firms invest in there.. this will bring best business on favorable terms and everyone would become a part of our CPEC..All i'm saying is that west tends to not mess in economies where their private businesses invest..we have to get american and european investments in our country in order to ensure stability..CHina has been and will continue to be special to Pakistan but we need more players in CPEC if we want this project to succeed. Also, we need projects on competitive terms and that's only possible if you let chinese firms battle it out with western firms..

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

agree with all your excellent posts here but this one. Quite opposite, China is going to get more engaged with the US economically. Like Chinese, Americans are born business people and will not let a rapid growing market like China go. If you had a chance looking at the Import Expo, US has occupied more space than any other nations. This shows how keen American companies like to trade in China.

US and China are deeply bonded economically and decoupling them will hurt both significantly. Trade war is only the smoke screen and what US actually wants is more economical benefits which can only happen with more trades.

That's a good wish. However, I am not that optimistic about US-China relation.

Those Americans who are interested about China's Import Expo are mostly those educated elites. However, their entire country is now being hijacked by the mindless far right populism. And Trump is the representative of these people. If the rational side from the US cannot take back their country, then even the WWIII is not evitable.

Huang Qifan the former mayor of Chongqing, and now served as an important economic think tank for President Xi, also believes the economic decoupling will happen sooner or later.

We must get prepared for the worst possible scenario, and we cannot put our hope on the American people and expect them to restore their rationality by themselves.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I agree, China can do the heavy lifting..but if you remember that story we have all heard about Prophet (pbuh)'s hijrat..where his opponents plotted to send in an assassin from each of the opposing 7 tribes so not one tribe can be blamed for it.. Similarly, we should open our Free Trade Zones to all countries and let american and european firms invest in there.. this will bring best business on favorable terms and everyone would become a part of our CPEC..All i'm saying is that west tends to not mess in economies where their private businesses invest..we have to get american and european investments in our country in order to ensure stability..CHina has been and will continue to be special to Pakistan but we need more players in CPEC if we want this project to succeed. Also, we need projects on competitive terms and that's only possible if you let chinese firms battle it out with western firms..

The Americans and Europeans are not interested in investing in Pakistan. Had that been the case this would have happened ages ago. Their ally is India.

Pakistan is viewed with suspicion and enmity by Western nations. It is an Islamic nuclear power and that alone is a cardinal sin. Apart from that Western nations blame Pakistan for various other problems. There is no common ground on any issue. Pakistan and the West are constantly caught up in a vicious circle. As hatred against Islam grows in the Western capitals Pakistan will always be at the forefront of hatred and blame games.

Pakistan and China should both get African and Middle Eastern nations aboard in the CPEC project.

The West has very different plans for Pakistan. We have seen glimpses in the past years. The vicious propaganda against CPEC is just a glimpse. Propaganda against Baluchistan is another hint what is to come. The Western world under the leadership of the US has already decided to split Pakistan among ethnic, religious sectarian lines. Western support for illegal groups such as PTM and BLA is yet another clear example.

We need to wake up fast. Don't rely on backstabbers. Chart out a reliable and credible path to success.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Americans and Europeans are not interested in investing in Pakistan. Had that been the case this would have been done ages ago.

Pakistan is viewed with suspicion and enmity by Western nations. It is an Islamic nuclear power and that alone is a cardinal sin. Apart from that Western nations blame Pakistan for various other problems. There is no common ground on any issue. Pakistan and the West are constantly caught up in vicious circle.

Pakistan and China should both get African and Middle Eastern nations aboard.

Right, China + Pakistan and the entire world of the developing nations should create our own ecosystems.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Right, China + Pakistan and the entire world of the developing nations should create our own ecosystems.

Absolutely. The West cannot be relied upon. They have their own bloc and set of interests. Since the days of colonisation their goals are crystal clear. It is about self enrichment at the expense of others.

It is up to the developing world to form the other bloc and look out for their own interests. China is the only smart nation in the developing world that has fully understood how to counter Western hegemony. China's phenomenal rise doesn't require any explanation.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It is an Islamic nuclear power and that alone is a cardinal sin.

And how does being "Islamic nuclear power" endear our athiest friends in the peoples republic?

The Western world under the leadership of the US has already decided to split Pakistan among ethnic, religious sectarian lines. Western support for illegal groups such as PTM and BLA is yet another clear example.

I think that threat comes from India. By pointing to west your just giving India a free pass. Also if I thought that western world was posing such a threat to Pakistan I would not be able to live in "den of the enemy" for a day and would leave.

But i am quite comfortable living in the west because I don't think it is a threat to Pakistan. That threat comes from India.

 

[maximuswarrior]

And how does being "Islamic nuclear power" endear our athiest friends in the peoples republic?

I think that threat comes from India. By pointing to west your just giving India a free pass. Also if I thought that western world was posing such a threat to Pakistan I would not be able to live in "den of the enemy" for a day and would leave.

But i am quite comfortable living in the west because I don't think it is a threat to Pakistan. That threat comes from India.

Don't underestimate Western suspicion and displeasure at Pakistan. Whilst India is a mortal enemy of Pakistan, the Western world has chosen to be its natural ally to counter Pakistan. The interests of India and the Western world to counter China and Pakistan converge on every level. Just like Pakistani and Chinese interests converge to counter Western/Indian designs.

Additionally, US/NATO warmongering in neighboring Afghanistan in the past two decades is no secret. The target has always been Pakistan. There is absolutely no ambiguity that the Western world categorically opposes Pakistani nuclear capability. It is a thorn in their hegemonic designs.

The constant Western propaganda against China and Pakistan is not a coincidence. It is by design. The West views Pakistan as a thorn and a nuisance. Especially when Pakistan has chosen to cooperate and work closely with China.

I don't have to tell you how China is the top focus and priority of the US. The Europeans follow US dictation. Any nation that sides with China is by default an enemy of the West.

Ideally the Western world love to use Pakistan as a geostrategic vassal state in the neighborhood to counter China. That is not possible as long as Pakistan is an ally of China. Pakistan is only of good use to the West as a lackey state.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

The Americans and Europeans are not interested in investing in Pakistan. Had that been the case this would have been done ages ago. Their ally is India.

Pakistan is viewed with suspicion and enmity by Western nations. It is an Islamic nuclear power and that alone is a cardinal sin. Apart from that Western nations blame Pakistan for various other problems. There is no common ground on any issue. Pakistan and the West are constantly caught up in a vicious circle. As hatred against Islam grows in the Western capitals Pakistan will always be at the forefront of hatred and blame games.

Pakistan and China should both get African and Middle Eastern nations aboard in the CPEC project.

The West has very different plans for Pakistan. We have seen glimpses in the past years. The vicious propaganda against CPEC is just a glimpse. Propaganda against Baluchistan is another hint what is to come. The Western world under the leadership of the US has already decided to split Pakistan among ethnic, religious sectarian lines. Western support for illegal groups such as PTM and BLA is yet another clear example.

We need to wake up fast. Don't rely on backstabbers. Chart out a reliable and credible path to success.

Exactly! that is what we have to change..the biggest challenge that Pakistan faces is not economy..or corruption..its the way we are perceived by the world..we need to change this..once this is changed and money starts flowing in..all other issues get resolved by market forces..one of the biggest reasons Pakistan is not stable is because instability enables a select few to keep power in their hands..we need to involve as many countries in CPEC as possible especially American and european companies..govt needs to figure out what could bring them onboard..I know if govt allows western companies to carry out mining operations in balochistan, they would jump into CPEC as well..but im sure chinese wont allow that to happen easily..also oil and gas exploration is another area where american companies would be willing to invest..we do have oil, its only a matter of economics before we start tapping into it