Western countries "wary" of joining U.S. in Cold War effort against China: The Economist

[khanmubashir]

USA is the undisputed leader of the West.

Other than Germany and maybe france. All the other western countries need close ties with USA for either security or economic reasons.Even the germans and the french need the USA.

Western countries will join USA in this anti china coalition.

And that's why you are a jobless jack

Every one would calculate pros and cons for it and for most for now cons are greater and with Chinese rise would become even more so

 

[Song Hong]

Please tell me what drink you have ingested because I would certainly like some.

I am wondering reasons the ethnic German Donald Trump reduce massively US base personnel, which was later reverse by Biden.

 

[Jobless Jack]

And that's why you are a jobless jack

Every one would calculate pros and cons for it and for most for now cons are greater and with Chinese rise would become even more so

As i said. Lets see.that is the logical answear. I hope you are correct. Peace is desirable . Cold war is undesirable.

But i dont think the west will separate itself from USA.

If what you say is true. Nato and 5 eyes will go. Quad will go. Its all finished. Western led world order will go. Finish Kaput.

While certainly china has risen and will continue to rise. I dont think internally the west is happy about this rise. As the rise of China directly threatens western led world order. I dont think the west will surrender the 300 year old leadership without a fight.

Its more abour their reluctance to a trump like charecter, than financial concerns.

 

[GumNaam]

Lets see. In my opinion.

USA is still the most important country for the west.

If what you say is true, then NATO will break . Because without USA NATO is nothing. Same with 5 eyes( or is it 8 eyes now?) And USA will be pulling back if this happens.

I just dont see the westerners getting togather for their own security . espacially the europeans without the USA.

the ground reality is that there is a growing resentment in europe and 5 eyes or 8 eyes nation that the usa comfortably sits protected in between 2 oceans while it keeps pulling in other "allied" nations like them as sacrificial cannon fodders against nations that are able to challenge america's position of comfort safely tucked away between two oceans with no hostile neighbor to speak of. but they need america economically thus they walk the fine line of giving the u.s. a lip service while continuing to trade with China & the u.s.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

As i said. Lets see.that is the logical answear. I hope you are correct. Peace is desirable . Cold war is undesirable.

But i dont think the west will separate itself from USA.

If what you say is true. Nato and 5 eyes will go. Quad will go. Its all finished. Western led world order will go. Finish Kaput.

While certainly china has risen and will continue to rise. I dont think internally the west is happy about this rise. As the rise of China directly threatens western led world order. I dont think the west will surrender the 300 year old leadership without a fight.

Its more abour their reluctance to a trump like charecter, than financial concerns.

Europeans have their own interest. Americans have their own interest. Chinese have their own interest.

 

[khanmubashir]

As i said. Lets see.that is the logical answear. I hope you are correct. Peace is desirable . Cold war is undesirable.

But i dont think the west will separate itself from USA.

If what you say is true. Nato and 5 eyes will go. Quad will go. Its all finished. Western led world order will go. Finish Kaput.

While certainly china has risen and will continue to rise. I dont think internally the west is happy about this rise. As the rise of China directly threatens western led world order. I dont think the west will surrender the 300 year old leadership without a fight.

Its more abour their reluctance to a trump like charecter, than financial concerns.

No one's happy about losing there hegemony but question what can they do individual western nations won't wanna become sacrificial lambs for USA led western order

 

[Song Hong]

People are confusing USA now as USA during the days of Marshall Plan. At that time, USA pay the host for leasing the bases. Today, USA ask the host for protection monies, and they will never leave.

Not so long ago, USA transfer technologies to her client states and funded their industrialization. That is how Samsung and TSMC started.

Today, USA financial terrorism is reaping client nations of the Industrial jewels and reducing them to merely workers.

Such prospect aroused resentment that even Western nations wanted someone to counterbalance USA.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Any schism inside the Western camp will turn out fatal...

 

[fitpOsitive]

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Photo taken on Nov. 1, 2018 shows skyscrapers at dawn in Shanghai, east China. (Xinhua/Fang Zhe)



"Lots of Western democracies are fractious and mistrustful, especially after four years of Trumpian bridge-burning."

LONDON, May 13 (Xinhua) -- Western countries are "wary" of joining a United States-led coalition in a Cold War effort to contain China's rise, the London-based Economist said recently.

Citing a Western diplomat in Beijing, the Economist said "such countries as Britain, France and Germany 'are close to accepting the inevitability of China's rise,' and so are out of alignment with America."

"Lots of Western democracies are fractious and mistrustful, especially after four years of Trumpian bridge-burning," the report said.

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Passengers walk to board a high-speed train in Wuhan Railway Station in Wuhan, capital of central China's Hubei Province, May 5, 2021. (Photo by Zhao Jun/Xinhua)

European and Asian countries alike "are wary of joining America in anything resembling a cold-war effort" to contain China's rise, especially if it jeopardizes profitable trade relationships, said the report.

The report noted that French President Emmanuel Macron said this year that it would be counter-productive for Western powers "to join all together against China."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has also spoken out against the "building of blocs," it said.

Photo taken on April 1, 2019 shows the booth of Chinese tech company Huawei at Hanover Fair 2019 in Hanover, Germany. (Xinhua/Shan Yuqi)

The report also highlighted disunity among EU members as well as within the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, which consists of the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, regarding China.

Countries like Greece enjoy close investment ties with China, said the report.

In recent weeks, New Zealand's government declared itself uncomfortable with the intelligence-sharing pact's geopolitical statements, it said.

Western countries "wary" of joining U.S. in Cold War effort against China: The Economist - Xinhua | English.news.cn

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Because Europe is connected in land. I mean direct roads are possible from China to Berlin. Russia, who has been a deciding factor in two world wars, is directed located close to Europe. And this time, China and Russia are somewhat in same page.
Doesn't that explain a simple logic?

 

[Jobless Jack]

Europeans have their own interest. Americans have their own interest. Chinese have their own interest.

No

USA protects the western and european countries interests. In return, USA get cash.

The part about the chinese is true. I dont think china is seeking war here.rather trade

 

[Song Hong]

There is also a coordinate effort by Western elites to lead human race into perversion. Today western elites are glorifying LGBT and promiscuity.

I got a feeling significant Western upper class worship demons and Satan.

Not every indigeneous elites are impressed.

Also the petrodollar scheme upset significant members of Saud family. But Saud got to blow low as USA can get rid of them easily.

Many are baiting for time.

 

[Jobless Jack]

No one's happy about losing there hegemony but question what can they do individual western nations won't wanna become sacrificial lambs for USA led western order

I think you are confusing the west and USA relationship. In my opinion

Every advantage the western world enjoys is due to its economic and military relationship with USA and due to USA' s position as the economic and military superpower.

Advantages that they will not be able to hold on to, if USA does not occupy the centre stage i.e. superpower.

So no, while China is certainly an important partner. The key and most important partner for the west is USA. Given a choice between USA and China. West will choose USA.

the ground reality is that there is a growing resentment in europe and 5 eyes or 8 eyes nation that the usa comfortably sits protected in between 2 oceans while it keeps pulling in other "allied" nations like them as sacrificial cannon fodders against nations that are able to challenge america's position of comfort safely tucked away between two oceans with no hostile neighbor to speak of. but they need america economically thus they walk the fine line of giving the u.s. a lip service while continuing to trade with China & the u.s.

Agreed. Point on.

 

[hualushui]

Biden: I support Australia
What did the United States do?
Nothing