We’re Zoroastrians first

[Cherokee]

democracy , communism------- do the same-------- its not about controlling the masses its about bringing order-------

democracy no communism yes .

 

[Mentee]

democracy no communism yes .

perceptions do not change the reality---

 

[Cherokee]

perceptions do not change the reality---

They do, that;s how we reached from striking stones for fire to looking into space .

 

[Mentee]

They do, that;s how we reached from striking stones for fire to looking into space .

communists sent the first human in space----------so whats the point--------exploitation in any form be it thruogh religion politics---------should be berated

 

[Cherokee]

communists sent the first human in space----------so whats the point--------exploitation in any form be it thruogh religion politics---------should be berated

They absolutely did , What now? Except democracy there is no sustainable system in today's world . If something better comes I will support it as well .

 

[Mentee]

Except democracy there is no sustainable system in today's world

for the time being i second that------will of the people by the people for the people

 

[45'22']

1 in accordance with my Islamic beliefs YES and in many cases a woman transcends that notion of equality
2 only in case where she can put up with the consequences, YES
3 whats wrong with it plz explain---------

3-Men arent god and shouldnt be honoured/treated as one

3 & 1 are contradictory....you cant agree to both at the same time

Shariah will never allow 2 and you know that

 

[Mentee]

3-Men arent god and shouldnt be honoured/treated as one

3 & 1 are contradictory....you cant agree to both at the same time

Shariah will never allow 2 and you know that

when you are answering your queries about Islam on behalf of a musalman then why i ask one in the first place and 3 and 1 are not contradictory------my firend Islam is another thing, middle eastern and subcontinental patriarchal culture is another ------- dont mix them----

 

[doppelganger]

i won't address here the temporary bubble called "gravitational waves" but write a bit about the political side.

is the author, ms. dilaira dubash, saying that she is first a zoroastrian ( or parsi ) and then the citizen of india, pakistan, australia etc??

in that case, why not go one progressive step further and say that 'we are humans first'??

and lastly, imagine if a indian muslim declared that 'i am muslim first and then a indian'... oh, the hullabaloo that will cause !!

this explains why sanghis are absent from this thread.

I think you (deliberately) misunderstand the message of the OP.

It had nothing to do with religious identity vs nationality. But overarching religious identity vs community.

Simply put, from what I understand of what is being discussed, all Parsis are Zoroastrians. But all Zoroastrians are not Parsi.

It has nothing to do with the scientist's Pakistani nationality or origin.

why would any sensible person in a far-off land want to adopt and promote the oppressive, unjust and anti-human brahminical ideology??

islam, like modern socialism/communism, is a human-uniting faith, without any discriminatory thing like the caste system and without a oppressive economic system and without regard for country of birth ( anti-nationalism )... to the contrary, through brahminical ideology, i have been called 'mleccha' by some sanghi members... 'mleccha' has no equivalent in islam or marxian/leninst socialism/communism.

as for zoroastrianism, disregarding all that sentimentality about "ooh, the parsis are a dwindling minority", we must speak about the inherent racism and ritualism in this faith... @vsdoc , the last indian parsi member, despite being a fellow tharki and despite being a doctor, believed in the zoroastrian concept of 'dhera' ( someone of "impure blood" therefore to be shunned )... how can someone be allowed to have such a anti-human bunch of beliefs??

this should be the last time any member speaks of this.

From what I have seen of Zoroastrianism, when compared to Hinduism, or Islam or Christianity for that matter, Aryan faiths are heavy on blood.

Semitic faiths are not.

I do not understand what is anti-human about wanting to conserve your bloodlines and your racial purity. If you are not hurting anyone, not killing anyone, not harming anyone, just refusing to procreate with someone, how is that anti-human?

Are we being a tad intolerant of the strongly held beliefs of others here?

Perhaps letting slip the veneer of non-religious communism to betray strong undercurrents of the parent theology?

Regards.

 

[doppelganger]

I think you (deliberately) misunderstand the message of the OP.

It had nothing to do with religious identity vs nationality. But overarching religious identity vs community.

Simply put, from what I understand of what is being discussed, all Parsis are Zoroastrians. But all Zoroastrians are not Parsi.

It has nothing to do with the scientist's Pakistani nationality or origin.

From what I have seen of Zoroastrianism, when compared to Hinduism, or Islam or Christianity for that matter, Aryan faiths are heavy on blood.

Semitic faiths are not.

I do not understand what is anti-human about wanting to conserve your bloodlines and your racial purity. If you are not hurting anyone, not killing anyone, not harming anyone, just refusing to procreate with someone, how is that anti-human?

Are we being a tad intolerant of the strongly held beliefs of others here?

Perhaps letting slip the veneer of non-religious communism to betray strong undercurrents of the parent theology?

Regards.

@jamahir

Is a reply forthcoming anytime soon?

Or is your silence and the absence thus far of a rebuttal perchance a (grudging) acceptance of the validity of my argument?

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir

Is a reply forthcoming anytime soon?

Or is your silence and the absence thus far of a rebuttal perchance a (grudging) acceptance of the validity of my argument?

sorry for that.

the attention was diverted towards the jnu crisis.

will reply by 12 midnight today.

 

[jamahir]

I think you (deliberately) misunderstand the message of the OP.

It had nothing to do with religious identity vs nationality. But overarching religious identity vs community.

Simply put, from what I understand of what is being discussed, all Parsis are Zoroastrians. But all Zoroastrians are not Parsi.

It has nothing to do with the scientist's Pakistani nationality or origin.

nevertheless the point remains that this lady despite supposedly being a scientist studying astronomy ( in space, religious belief has no effect on the elements there ), she says religion ( the zoroastrian faith ) is more important for her than the development of pakistan, south asia and the world.

but this is what happens where "expert mathematicians" claim themselves to be astronomers.

if you have read the main thread about this "gravitational waves" thing in the 'technology and science' section you will see my rejection of this recent excitement and my rejection of other mathematician-led theories about the universe - space-time continuum, universe is expanding and dark energy.

From what I have seen of Zoroastrianism, when compared to Hinduism, or Islam or Christianity for that matter, Aryan faiths are heavy on blood.

Semitic faiths are not.

I do not understand what is anti-human about wanting to conserve your bloodlines and your racial purity. If you are not hurting anyone, not killing anyone, not harming anyone, just refusing to procreate with someone, how is that anti-human?

Are we being a tad intolerant of the strongly held beliefs of others here?

Perhaps letting slip the veneer of non-religious communism to betray strong undercurrents of the parent theology?

Regards.

as a muslim ( as you have observed ) and as a socialist who desires a unified humanity ( the communism vision ) i find it not understandable that someone like @vsdoc who is a doctor in human biology and who is supposedly a tharki, talking about "preserving bloodlines"... such a senseless thinking then automatically leads to the kind of political side he is supporting... rohith vemula suicided only because of the social adoption of the expansion of beliefs that our dear parsi doctor has so obsessively adopted.

i don't understand how procreating with one's own "blood-line" will lead to some superiority, after all this is all about "superior blood" and inferior blood", yes??

our parsi doctor from poona likes the actually filthy dogs yet he considers most humans in the world inferior to his parsi "blood-line"... if this is not anti-human what is??

 

[doppelganger]

the attention was diverted towards the jnu crisis.

There is no crisis.

Just a bunch of jaded ungrateful deshdrohi pigs getting a well deserved boot up their behind.

They are lucky they were not in Maharashtra.

We know how to deal with such scum.

nevertheless the point remains that this lady despite supposedly being a scientist studying astronomy ( in space, religious belief has no effect on the elements there ), she says religion ( the zoroastrian faith ) is more important for her than the development of pakistan, south asia and the world.

She said all of that? Where? I must have missed it. Could you point out the precise quote to me please, that you attribute to her having said thus?

I know some Parsis in my personal life too. But I have yet to meet one who puts his religious identity or his community above his nation.

as a muslim ( as you have observed ) and as a socialist who desires a unified humanity ( the communism vision ) i find it not understandable that someone like @vsdoc who is a doctor in human biology and who is supposedly a tharki, talking about "preserving bloodlines"... such a senseless thinking then automatically leads to the kind of political side he is supporting... rohith vemula suicided only because of the social adoption of the expansion of beliefs that our dear parsi doctor has so obsessively adopted.

I thought @vsdoc was a doctor of medicine? Disappointed to know that he was just a PhD. Ya you are right though. Parsis are big on bloodline. I think for them its a two edged sword. One, the promise they made to the Hindus when they came here. And two, they genuinely do not wish to dilute their bloodlines with Indic blood. At least, most of the Parsis I know. They believe their blood is inseparable from their ancient faith, handed down to them over millennia by their Aryan ancestors. To protect which, they were willing to leave their ancient homeland and move to a foreign land and culture and civilization. I think it would thus be at complete odds with what they hold closest to the core of their being. But what do I know. This is just my theory based on what I've heard and read and discussed.

i don't understand how procreating with one's own "blood-line" will lead to some superiority, after all this is all about "superior blood" and inferior blood", yes??

I don't know if its superior or inferior or just different and thus incompatible to their belief system and theology. Hinduism and Zoroastrianism are seldom easy to explain under the oftentimes rigid guidelines of more recent Abrahamic Semitic theologies. I think it best to just accept that it is as it is and move on and let peaceful people be. To do as they see fit. I mean, you would not grab a girl off the street and force yourself on to her right? So why insist on doing the same collectively on to a community?

our parsi doctor from poona likes the actually filthy dogs yet he considers most humans in the world inferior to his parsi "blood-line"... if this is not anti-human what is??

Well, I love dogs myself, so I am with him on this. I love my dogs a lot more than I even begin to like certain humans.

 

[zip]

for the time being i second that------will of the people by the people for the people

Only if we consider will of majority people is justified all the time ..or we should change the meaning of justice as 'will of the majority people '