We’re Indians first, Taliban view of Islam not ours, say Deoband Islamic Scholars (Ulema)

[Adonis]

deoband is not islam its a city in india . what islam haev to do with deoband first place?????

Darool-Uloom...based in Deoband.....Similarly another sect Barelvi's (Hanafi) founder was from the Indian city Bareilly has it's origin from

 

[SQ8]

I know it may disappoint you, but much of what you have stated is frankly not true. No Muslim goes about "blurting Vande Mataram", except for those who seek political office allied to the BJP.

Secondly, the Deoband scholars in India, are well respected around the world, even by Pakistani deoband scholars. They may have some conservative beliefs that you may be uncomfortable with, but they well within the scope of Islam.

Third, and most importantly, you base your thoughts on an article printed by The Print, a notorious anti-Muslim rag that puts Radio Rwanda to shame. I would bet 100% the author posed some idiotic questions and the answers from the people at Deoband did not even match what the author wrote. I recall somewhere else that the Deoband scholars simply said that "we are from India and have nothing to do with the Taliban and they are free to do whatever they want in their country". Note how such words were rehashed.

This is the India of today, where Muslims are repeated questioned about Muslims from all around the world, simply to evoke some controversy. Until a few years ago, it was the favorite past time of the so called journalists in India to go to Deoband, and ask for some fatwa on some stupid issue. Then those words would be twisted and published all around India with a triumphant note showing how regressive Muslims are. Deoband put an end to that by stopping the issuing of fatwas to the general public and now every fatwa is approved by a committee and posted on their website.

Another note - Self-preservation is a natural reaction when it comes to living as a minority. In a hostile country like India, those tendencies are magnified. What you may interpret as "pandering to the Hindus" or "not Muslim enough" is actually self-preservation. The more important mission here is to educate the coming generations about Islam. That is more important than engaging in hostility with the majority just to soothe the egos of a few people west of the country.

It is an interesting perspective you propose, and I agree that it isn’t a daily chant of needing to fit in.
There is merit to the argument that current deoband is also respected even when many do disagree with their interpretations. However, when you do cite self preservation as a compulsion do you not see any merit in the argument that needing to be “more Indian” or needing to repeat the “Indianness” is a constant struggle for muslims in India?

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

See either you don't have the full knowledge or twist the facts because you belong to either one of these groups. It's not some of them, the foundation of their sect is based on that the other one is a non-muslim and that is why they don't pray behind each other. What's wrong with both of them is that they pass extreme judgements against the other one.

Makes no difference to me. Your, mine, their fate will be decided by Allah. Nobody owns Islam. It is not political party or national state. It is definition of personal faith. I don't think most people here have read the Quran.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Everyone knows that, but why fan the hate and create rift among the Muslims? the founders of these sects have indeed committed a huge crime against the unity of Muslims

Listen carefully first few seconds, if you understand urdu

Makes no difference to me. Your, mine, their fate will be decided by Allah. Nobody owns Islam. It is not political party or national state. It is definition of personal faith. I don't think most people here have read the Quran.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Everyone knows that, but why fan the hate and create rift among the Muslims? the founders of these sects have indeed committed a huge crime against the unity of Muslims

Listen carefully first few seconds, if you understand urdu

They created no rift or hate. I have respect for Iqbal. You have Hindu ideology.

 

[xeuss]

It is an interesting perspective you propose, and I agree that it isn’t a daily chant of needing to fit in.
There is merit to the argument that current deoband is also respected even when many do disagree with their interpretations. However, when you do cite self preservation as a compulsion do you not see any merit in the argument that needing to be “more Indian” or needing to repeat the “Indianness” is a constant struggle for muslims in India?

Proving to be Indian is not exclusive to the Indian Muslims. It applies to any minority in the world, though the degree often varies. I note that you are in the US. Do you not see Muslims (especially the immigrants) in the US going the extra mile to prove their Americanness? Why is the US flag brandished at every immigrant protest? Why do ethnic/religious discussions in the US preface themselves with "we are Americans first...."

The Chinese/Asian minority all around the world are the best examples of this. From adopting local names to coining the "model minority" phrase was nothing but a form of self-preservation.

In India, there was an unspoken (or subconscious) understanding that if we remained loyal Indian citizens, and accommodated the minor quibbles of the majority, they would leave us alone. The events of the past couple of decades have obviously proved us wrong. The majority does not have a problem with anything we did or do, but rather with our simple existence. The newer generation is less accommodating of such a thought process and does not feel a sense of belonging in India any more.

Incidentally, I recently attended a fund raiser for a Muslim school in India, and the organizer made it clear - we want to make leaders of our children so that they can go on and fight for the community in India. Twenty years ago he would have prefaced it by saying "we want our children to be good citizens of India"

 

[Thorough Pro]

LOL, so just after exchange of a few messages you judge me? who are you?

They created no rift or hate. I have respect for Iqbal. You have Hindu ideology.

 

[airmarshal]

Indians are so insecure.

They always needs these type of assurances. Be it Taliban or Russia's improving relations with Pakistan, they are always seeking such assurances and guarantees.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

LOL, so just after exchange of a few messages you judge me? who are you?

You judged them. I judged you. Many Pakistanis are like you.

 

[Thorough Pro]

At best you are wrong or worst you are lying. I did not judge anyone, I did not label anyone anything, I provided just a few proofs of how they created the rift and sowed seeds of hate and publicly display that even if it means disrespecting Azan. Allah will deal with all Ulema Soo and their defenders.

You judged them. I judged you. Many Pakistanis are like you.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

At best you are wrong or worst you are lying. I did not judge anyone, I did not label anyone anything, I provided just a few proofs of how they created the rift and sowed seeds of hate and publicly display that even if it means disrespecting Azan. Allah will deal with all Ulema Soo and their defenders.

If you are talking about Pakistani situation I have little interest in it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

No, I was talking about Mars, You must be an indian dumbo

If you are talking about Pakistani situation I have little interest in it.

 

[Imran Khan]

Darool-Uloom...based in Deoband.....Similarly another sect Barelvi's (Hanafi) founder was from the Indian city Bareilly has it's origin from

sects are curse

 

[-=virus=-]

when you do cite self preservation as a compulsion do you not see any merit in the argument that needing to be “more Indian” or needing to repeat the “Indianness” is a constant struggle for muslims in India?

not in his case, I can assure you..

The majority does not have a problem with anything we did or do, but rather with our simple existence.

BS, only true for extremists, not for all BJP voters.

The newer generation is less accommodating of such a thought process and does not feel a sense of belonging in India any more.

^they shouldn't

^ The Indian Deobandis might well have a problem with stuff like this but pretty sure this wasn't forced on them, these are mixed kids growing up in well to do educated cultured families.

Hindus flock to Sufi shrines in their millions too, tie dhagas, partake in chaddar rituals and what not so...

those who don't feel a 'sense of belonging' are being fed media lies, nobody is out to get the muslims even if there is a lot more social media and political talk around religion lately.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Let me get my head around this statement.

"We are Indians first", is there a different Islam in Inida!!
Which allows them to visit Hindu Temples and show worship there!!
Or that Hindu majority is allowed to attack Muslims because they eat meat or trade in meat!!

The biggest sold out cowards in the world are these Indian Muslim leaders.