Welcome Bangladesh new ship Somudra Avijan

[Mike_Brando]

Same as Somudra Joy




Displacement: 3250 tones
Length: 378 ft (115 m)
Beam: 43 ft (13 m)
Draught: 15 ft (4.6 m)
Propulsion: CODOG:
2 × FM diesel engines
2 × PW gas turbines
Speed: 29 knots
Range: 16,000 miles
Endurance: 45 days
Complement: 178 personnel (21 officers and 157 enlisted)
Sensors and
processing systems: AN/SPS-40 air-search radar, MK 92 FCS
Armament:

• 1 x OTO Melara 76 mm main gun, forward;
• 2 x Type 730B 6-barrel 30 mmCIWS;

Aircraft carried: 1 x Hangar
Nickname(s): BNS SJ
Notes: Pennant Number: F-28

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I think Somudro Abhijan will be fitted with at least 8 Chinese C-803 just like Somudro Joy but then again i might be wrong in this matter.Btw, i think it's time for the B.N. to buy new frigates(something like the Talwar class) from Russia rather than inducting these old U.S. platforms in it's inventory.THe Talwar class will definitely be a bang for the buck for the B.N. as it's a true multi-role frigate and hence will be a significant technological gain in terms of A.S.W.

 

[bongbang]

Is CIWS too advanced of a technology? It dates from the 60's.

Why is it a big deal (or not) if BN has it? BN is a professional navy and not a new one. Bangladeshi Mariners served on almost all ranks in Pakistan Navy and on board most PN vessels (including subs) before 1971.

CIWS as a point defense is not that effective against supersonic missiles by the way. Currently BN and the Bangladesh Air Force are coordinating shore defenses. I think shore defense wise we have most of the same things you guys have.

But we are really afraid of the Myanmar Navy invasion. Let us know via a courtesy phone call before you start on it.

BN type 056 corvettes are using FL 3000N SAM/CIWS. They can use in SJ or SA too. Better than FM 90. Gun based CIWS are becoming obsolete. But it will be important to shoot down remnants of incoming missiles too.

 

[Bilal9]

I think Somudro Abhijan will be fitted with at least 8 Chinese C-803 just like Somudro Joy but then again i might be wrong in this matter.Btw, i think it's time for the B.N. to buy new frigates(something like the Talwar class) from Russia rather than inducting these old U.S. platforms in it's inventory.THe Talwar class will definitely be a bang for the buck for the B.N. as it's a true multi-role frigate and hence will be a significant technological gain in terms of A.S.W.

Well appreciate the input.

But my two cents is that inducting any new platform always depends on the Navy's needs. The two SJ class platforms would not have been 'acquired' by BN had there not been a 'need'. The operating costs for these vessels (especially for spares and fuel for the CODOG PW turbines) are significant although the ships were 'gifts'. IMHO these are largely 'backup' frigates until four new frigates are inducted.

BN's procurement plan is largely dependent on the well-publicized 'Forces Goal 2030' which has all details. However there is a wiki page (link below) which has 'future procurement' details for BN. I'd say according to my information this is largely accurate (except for the 054 class frigates and the Kilo class subs for which I have some doubt). China itself needs 054 class vessels for its buildup and I don't know if they can accommodate our request - so it may end up being Korean modified frigates. The Kilo class subs will need very large amount of modification (being able to fire torpedo-tube launched cruise missiles at the very least) as well as AIP.

In any case BN forces doctrine (as for BAF and BA) is largely defensive as a mostly brown water navy and geared toward protecting economic assets and territory. We don't want to 'arm ourselves to the teeth' a la North Korea.

Future of the Bangladesh Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mike_Brando]

Well appreciate the input.

But my two cents is that inducting any new platform always depends on the Navy's needs. The two SJ class vehicles would not have been 'acquired' by BN had there not been a 'need'. The operating costs for these vessels (especially for spares and fuel for the CODOG PW turbines) are significant although the ships were 'gifts'. IMHO these are largely 'backup' frigates until four new frigates are inducted.

BN's procurement plan is largely dependent on the well-publicized 'Forces Goal 2030' which has all details. However there is a wiki page (link below) which has 'future procurement' details for BN. I'd say according to my information this is largely accurate (except for the 054 class frigates and the Kilo class subs for which I have some doubt). China itself needs 054 class vessels for its buildup and I don't know if they can accommodate our request - so it may end up being Korean modified frigates. The Kilo class subs will need very large amount of modification (being able to fire torpedo-tube launched cruise missiles at the very least) as well as AIP.

In any case BN forces doctrine (as for BAF and BA) is largely defensive as a mostly brown water navy and geared toward protecting economic assets and territory. We don't want to 'arm ourselves to the teeth' a la North Korea.

Future of the Bangladesh Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay,thanks for this valuable info,i didn't know that B.N. plans to induct Improved Kilo class or for that matter Lada class sub in the near future although it'll be a potent addition in the B.N. inventory.Personally,i am a big fan of the modified Krivak-III/Talwar class because of it's versatility considering it's price but if you guys consider quality over quantity then definitely go ahead and buy the new Incheon class frigates of R.O.K. instead of the Type-054 as it will be a great addition to the B.N. fleet.

BN type 056 corvettes are using FL 3000N SAM/CIWS. They can use in SJ or SA too. Better than FM 90. Gun based CIWS are becoming obsolete. But it will be important shoot down ramnants of incoming missiles.

Well the Indian Navy has already opted for the Ak-630M and Barak-1 combination as the CIWS for nearly all the major surface combatants in its inventory.The I.N. already tried the Khastan C.I.W.S. and found its performance to be inadequate and hence opted for the above combination.However we have already issued a global R.F.I. for a new generation gun based C.I.W.S. which will replace all other C.I.W.S. in the I.N. inventory in the near future.

 

[Bilal9]

Okay,thanks for this valuable info,i didn't know that B.N. plans to induct Improved Kilo class or for that matter Lada class sub in the near future although it'll be a potent addition in the B.N. inventory.Personally,i am a big fan of the modified Krivak-III/Talwar class because of it's versatility considering it's price but if you guys consider quality over quantity then definitely go ahead and buy the new Incheon class frigates of R.O.K. instead of the Type-054 as it will be a great addition to the B.N. fleet.


Well the Indian Navy has already opted for the Ak-630M and Barak-1 combination as the CIWS for nearly all the major surface combatants in its inventory.The I.N. already tried the Khastan C.I.W.S. and found its performance to be inadequate and hence opted for the above combination.However we have already issued a global R.F.I. for a new generation gun based C.I.W.S. which will replace all other C.I.W.S. in the I.N. inventory in the near future.

Just as a footnote, the AK-630 or 730 is maybe on the way to being obsolete for Gatling Gun type CIWS.

The type 1130 has a much better accuracy (laser designator) and better fire rate.

The Type 1130 CIWS, with eleven 30mm barrels, is the largest Gatling cannon in the world, firing up to 11,000 rounds a minute (that's nearly 200 rounds a second!). It can reportedly shoot down 90% of incoming supersonic missiles. Definitely an improvement over type 730B in service with BN.

The Phalanx CIWS (US) can only do 4,500 rounds per minute (75 rounds a second). The type 1130 is three times as fast.

I see Bangladeshi Naval Planners choosing this over the type 730B for new frigates, whether it is the Chinese 054 class or modified Incheon class (FFX).

IMHO you need both CIWS and SAM defenses in a naval combatant. CIWS is great for defending against low flying sea-skimming aircraft, attack helis as well as cruise missiles, meaning anything other than supersonic missiles. Plus a lot cheaper to purchase and maintain.

 

[Bilal9]

More images of the transfer...

Marcia Bernicat, US Ambassador in Bangladesh, signed documentation to sign over the US Coast Guard Cutter Rush to the Bangladesh Navy at Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Calif., Wednesday, May 7, 2015.

Cutter Rush became the BNS Somudra Avijan.

This and all following Coast Guard photos by Petty Officer 3rd Class Loumania Stewart

Capt. Kevin A. Jones, commanding officer of the Coast Guard Cutter Rush, stands with his crew during a transfer ceremony at Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Wednesday, May 6, 2015.

The American Flag is flown next to the Bangladesh flag aboard the Coast Guard Cutter Rush during a transfer ceremony in Alameda, Calif., May 6, 2015.

Capt. Matthew Bell, chief of staff of Coast Guard Pacific Area (center) meets with members from the Coast Guard and the Bangladesh Navy Chief Vice Admiral M Farid Habib and Bangladesh Ambassador to the United States Mohammad Ziauddin prior to the transfer ceremony at Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Calif., Wednesday, May 6, 2015. Marcia Bernicat, US Ambassador in Bangladesh was also present.

A Coast Guard cover is placed with Bangladesh navy covers during a meeting prior to a transfer ceremony at Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Calif., Wednesday, May 6, 2015.

ALAMEDA, Calif. - Coast Guard members, friends and family members of the crew members of the Coast Guard Cutter Rush and Bangladesh navy attend the transfer of the 378-foot high-endurance cutter to the Bangladesh navy during a ceremony on Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Wednesday, May 6, 2015.

ALAMEDA, Calif. - Members of the Bangladesh navy march toward the former Coast Guard Cutter Rush during a transfer ceremony on Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Wednesday, May 6, 2015.

ALAMEDA, Calif. - Capt. Kevin A. Jones, commanding officer of the Coast Guard Cutter Rush, awaits the passing of the spyglass to prospective Bangladesh Navy commanding officer Capt. Mohammad Waseem Maqsood during a transfer ceremony on Coast Guard Island in Alameda, Wednesday, May 6, 2015.

 

[Aung Zaya]

Durjoy class LPCs have 2x type 730B CIWS. Also BNS Bangabandhu has CIWS

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I just copy pasted from wiki. But they will go for upgrade when both of these ships are available. One will remain in service another in upgrade

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There are options for upgrade in SJ and SA with these along with gun based CIWS

Didn't see anything like this in ur LPC...

go and check...

Is CIWS too advanced of a technology? It dates from the 60's.

Why is it a big deal (or not) if BN has it? BN is a professional navy and not a new one. Bangladeshi Mariners served on almost all ranks in Pakistan Navy and on board most PN vessels (including subs) before 1971.

CIWS as a point defense is not that effective against supersonic missiles by the way. Currently BN and the Bangladesh Air Force are coordinating shore defenses. I think shore defense wise we have most of the same things you guys have.

But we are really afraid of the Myanmar Navy invasion. Let us know via a courtesy phone call before you start on it.

LOL...

 

[WAQAS119]

Why this Hinduish Name?????

 

[Bilal9]

Didn't see anything like this in ur LPC...

go and check...
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LOL...

Aung Zaya - If you've got nothing of value to contribute or add information-wise - I kindly suggest that you do us all a favor here and stop posting useless comments like this in the Bangladesh section just to increase your count of posts. No one here is under any sort of obligation to prove anything to your satisfaction. If a country like Myanmar can get CIWS - so can we. Yes even on LPC's. Please get a pair of glasses...

Why this Hinduish Name?????

What do you find so Hindu about it?

Samudra is 'sea' in Bengali, as it is in Indonesian and Malaysian, these languages are derived from Sanskrit. A language has nothing to do with religion. Now if you tell us we in Bangladesh are lesser Muslims because we named a ship in our language which everyone here speaks then I've got nothing to say....

While you're at it - go tell the Indonesians that they're not Muslim enough and should name their ships in Arabic too.

Next time please suggest us some Islamic names in advance so we can petition the Navy.

 

[Aung Zaya]

If a country like Myanmar can get CIWS - so can we. Yes even on LPC's. Please get a pair of glasses...

Just point out what u talk about non-sense.. plz circle in the pic the place where is Type-730B..? dude.. So i cant ask what i want to know clearly if not the information add.. BD section is just for talking about Long live BD posts.? cant allow even asking..!!? Blah..!! i didnt speak one word about Myanmar from the start... Why so serious..!!

stop posting useless comments like this in the Bangladesh section just to increase your count of posts.

Moreover i dont care how many posts what i have or blah blah.. i can post 100+ posts a day in Myanmar Thread if i care ratings...

 

[bongbang]

Durjoy class LPCs have 2x type 730B CIWS. Also BNS Bangabandhu has CIWS

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Didn't see anything like this in ur LPC...

go and check...
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LOL...

What are those two guns in the back of Durjoy class?

ASEAN Military Defense Review: Indonesian Navy Mulls Chinese 30 mm CIWS Fit for Corvettes, LPDs

 

[Bilal9]

What are those two guns in the back of Durjoy class?

ASEAN Military Defense Review: Indonesian Navy Mulls Chinese 30 mm CIWS Fit for Corvettes, LPDs

Here's one more, I'm now pretty sure Durjoy class has the same CIWS as the resemblance is uncanny. Size-wise the Parchim Class is the same as the Durjoy class.

Indonesia equips corvette with Chinese 30 mm CIWS - IHS Jane's 360

Just point out what u talk about non-sense.. plz circle in the pic the place where is Type-730B..? dude.. So i cant ask what i want to know clearly if not the information add.. BD section is just for talking about Long live BD posts.? cant allow even asking..!!? Blah..!! i didnt speak one word about Myanmar from the start... Why so serious..!!



Moreover i dont care how many posts what i have or blah blah.. i can post 100+ posts a day in Myanmar Thread if i care ratings...

Sorry about that - just getting tired of people asking us for proof every time we post news or images of new Navy ships. Just take a look at the image. You'll find it. It's behind the foldable crane.

 

[Aung Zaya]

What are those two guns in the back of Durjoy class?

ASEAN Military Defense Review: Indonesian Navy Mulls Chinese 30 mm CIWS Fit for Corvettes, LPDs

Sorry about that - just getting tired of people asking us for proof every time we post news or images of new Navy ships. Just take a look at the image. You'll find it. It's behind the foldable crane.

u means the things in the black circle..? that's AA gun.. bitch plz.. if these are CIWS., where did u put it's fire control rader..? i just want to know How many CIWS fitted frigates in BN..? quite simple..!! it doesnt mean insulting BN.. ok.?. dont be shy.. dude.. i can accept if u tell BN plan to get..but it's too bad showing me AA guns as the CIWS like a kid..

 

[Arthur]

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u means the things in the black circle..? that's AA gun.. bitch plz.. if these are CIWS., where did u put it's fire control rader..? i just want to know How many CIWS fitted frigates in BN..? quite simple..!! it doesnt mean insulting BN.. ok.?. dont be shy.. dude.. i can accept if u tell BN plan to get..but it's too bad showing me AA guns as the CIWS like a kid..

those are remote turret type CIWS,uses the ships fire control radar,and has sensors.China produce many types off CIWS,not each of them are that much publicized.BNS BB deploys Goalkeeper CIWS.Other frigates are due to undergo mid life upgrade to install them.

P.S: And when you are in a forum,try to learn some polite away to talk.When you come up with lines,undermine other's they will not be that polite and cooperative with you.you started your first post in a way,that even the most impatriotic person will take it as passive aggressive.And if you don't know the term,Google it.So as I said you this before,please,learn something before posting in this section.

 

[Aung Zaya]

those are remote turret type CIWS,uses the ships fire control radar,and has sensors.China produce many types off CIWS,not each of them are that much publicized.BNS BB deploys Goalkeeper CIWS.Other frigates are due to undergo mid life upgrade to install them.

But u guys claim that these RCWS are Chinese Type-730B.. dude.. everybody in this forum has at least basic military knowledge... can easily know what is RCWS and type-730B with Physical characteristic.. Ok..!!

PS. My Qs is quite simple.. if i were questioned like this.. i can tell u which one is fitted and which one plan to install.. that's easy.. right..!! i'm promise i never show u wrong information or pretend to be a busy big boss like 'Ahh.. getting tired of telling this nut'.. Hence i cant understand why u guys take this so serious.. Ok..!! talking impolitely is my false..