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often time, people were confused with military rank and wonder what did they do and why there are so many different rank in the MIlitary. Well, don't know much about the other Military Organisation, but i do know a lot about the "Weirdest Rank" in the US military.

Let's start with th rank of Specialist
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and Corporal
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History of the Specialist rank

Historical aspect of Specialist go back to 1942 when US Army wanted to create a seperate branch of professional soldier and calling them Technician. While each rank have their own technical duty, however, the only different between 2 ranks is their command ability. And this is not very well reflected in technical matter for example Radio Operator, Medic and Mechanics. Where ranks does not mean they can do the job better, just they did it for longer period.

So, technician rank was born.

After 1942, the US Army created 3 new rank and put them side by side with the NCO duty of equivent rank, they are Technician 5th Grade
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, Technician 4th Grade
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and technician 3rd grade
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The rank are of the same level and pay grade as their NCO counterpart, Tech 5 pays the same as a Corporal, Tech 4 with Sergeant and Tech 3 the same as Staff Sergeant. The different is, apart from the clear "T" in their rank denote that they are Technician, is the ability to lead troop. While they are of the same rank with their NCO counter part. They are specialised in their own field. And what essentially happening is. NCO outrank Technician with the same rank on ANYTHING, aside from the field the technician specialised at.

So, for example, if a technician was attached to an infantry platoon, a Tech 4 will follow order from a Buck Sergeant while by virtual of their rank, would still outrank a corporal. However, if a tech 4 is specialised in mechanic. Then in mechical matter, a tech 4 would outrank a Sergeant or even a staff sergeant, and the buck sergeant would have to follow order from a Tech 4.

Fast forward to 1948, the Army sees that with the war is over, the need of expanding the militrary rank to accomdate specialist trained personnel are over, the grade technician were abolished and US Army move back to a single rank profile.

However, at 1955, the Army again realised the importance of recruiting a "professional enlisted" branch in their own Enlistment. And the technician grade were revived, due to an expand of Military technology, the sole NCO system alone would have to cover more than Command and Leadership than it actually need. Hence a new Specialist System was borne.

On 1955, 4 Ranks were authorised by the department of Defence

Specialist 3
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Specialist 2
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Specialist 1
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Master Specialist
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The goal, however, is different this time, while in 1942, the DoD Do that to regonize the need of a highly skilled technicial personnel, this time around is solely create to seperate the duty between a specialist and a common NCO. While NCO (Corporal, Sergeant, Staff Sergeant and Sergeant 1 C) will move toward a leadership and command path, specialist would move toward the technicial part. While two have no intersected interest. The specialist would serve as a backbone of the technical side of the enlistment matter while the NCO would remain command side of the enlistment matter.

Then in 1958, 2 more rank are added and they reverse the name of order and now the rank namign convention is corresponding to the paygrade, Specialist 3 will become Specialist 4, and Specialist 2 will become Specialist 5 and so on, with Specialist 8 and 9 added on it. Aiming to fully complement the NCO corp.

Down fall of Specialist rank come 1968, when the military realise the need of Higher Specialist rank were actually redundant to the NCO corp, as the simple term, you can fix car for 20 years and don't take up command responsibility, at some point of a time, any number of senior specialist would have to take command on a larger number of junior specialist for a technical matter. Hence the need to reestablishment of rank and control are needed. And the Army start picking out Senior Specialist rank. See the elimination of Spec 8 and 9 in 1968, Spec 7 in 1978 and Spec 5 and 6 in 1985

Today, only Specialist 4 remain in the Military, and abbreviation of Spec 4 is SPC, while commonly referred to as "Specialist" or "Spec 4" in ranks.

The administrative difference

While they are of the same grade (both E-4) and pays the same, the administrative different lies on the entry path, command ability and the prospect of Promotion.

For entrance of the rank, almost all Private First Class promoted to Specialist upon review, a selected few who chosing either by professional reason or educational background would went on to become a corporal.
Either because it's required by MOS or that particular soldier have underwent Junior NCO course will they got promoted to Corporal, that's the only avenue of entrant to the rank.

College graduate or Civilian with corresponding experience would enlisted and fast track from a E-1 Recruit upon completion of Basic Training to Spec 4 (E-4) which skipped 2 grades.

Officer cadet (Apart from ROTC and West point) will be administratively appointed as Specialist before entered into either Enlist Commission Program (ECP, commonly known as Green For Gold) or OCS. Upon completion of OCS and ECP, the soldier will administrative promote to E5 Officer cadet (Not a Physical Rank) and discharged from US Army and commissioned into Officer Corp.

As with the historical aspect, Corporal out rank Specialist on any matter apart from the technical matter the Specialist specialise in. However, it is not uncommon to have a special in charge of a group of junior enlisted.

Spec 4 can command squad, when a suitable NCO is absent. And a specialist then is authorised to act as a NCO and command troop. However, the "jump" will only happen if no immediate NCO (Sergeant or Corporal) to fill the post and it will be over once qualified personnel filled the position.

Apart from the entrance path and the command structure. The only different is the promotion path.

Since starting from E-5, all promotion are not automatics, and would be a in need basis, the promotion from E-4 to E-5 require a E-5 spot open in order to be able to promote a E-4 into the position. However, when there are 2 E-4 grade, the NCO E-4 (Corporal) always take precedent. Which mean they will be promoted first. Say like there are 400 E-5 Sergeant spot open this year and 200 Corporal are promotable and 600 Spec 4 are promotable, all the corporal would have been choosen to promote to E-5 First and then along with the most senior 200 Specialist. The other 400 specialist would either keep accumlate promotion point (so will be senior and next in line) or they can choose to switch to the rank corporal when the promotion point is not enough for E-5 but enough for the switch, for Specialist that have either, there are nothing they could do but wait.

So effectively, these "sergeant reject" would get promoted (Or rather, switch) to Corporal and enjoy the priority that it given, and for the next opening of E-5 Billet. That is how E-4 and E-5 got moving in the US army.

An average life in rank of a Corporal is 5 years while the the average Specialist rank is 7 years in service.

In all, Specialist is a unique rank in the US Army.
 
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People should not confuse 'rank' with 'grade'. They are not the same.

A 'grade' is the same for all branches. The 'rank' differs.

An E-4 in the Air Force is on the same scale as an E-4 in the Army or the Navy. It is their 'ranks' or labels attached to E-4 that are different. An E-4 in the Army could be either a Corporal or a Specialist, for the Navy it is Petty Officer Third Class, and for the Marines it is Corporal.

An O-1 in the Air Force, Army, and Marines is a Second Lieutenant. For the Navy it is Ensign.

In the USAF, once there were two ranks for grade E-4: Senior Airman and Sergeant. An Airman First Class (E-3) becomes Senior Airman (E-4), then after one year, he is automatically 'promoted' into the NCO corps by rank of Sergeant, but still the same grade of E-4. No change in pay but with increased responsibilities befitting an NCO. The Senior Airman rank is often jokingly called 'sub-sergeant'. Today, the Air Force did away with the rank of Sergeant. The Senior Airman rank is still an E-4 but is now an NCO. The next rank is Staff Sergeant (E-5).

Now here is a little quirk in the flag, meaning the generals and admirals, ranks: If a Major outrank a Lieutenant, then why does a Lieutenant General outrank a Major General? Very interesting answer for those willing to search for it.

Also for some ranks of the US Army, Marines, and Air Force officers, their caps' visors are adorned with clouds and lightning bolts, but those decorations are jokingly called 'darts and farts'.
 
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Interesting read. However, the information seems to be outdated. Especially

An average life in rank of a Corporal is 5 years while the the average Specialist rank is 7 years in service.

That is incorrect.

If a Major outrank a Lieutenant, then why does a Lieutenant General outrank a Major General?

That is because Major General is adopted from Sergeant Major General that were grade below to Lieutenant Generals.
 
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Interesting read. However, the information seems to be outdated. Especially



That is incorrect.



That is because Major General is adopted from Sergeant Major General that were grade below to Lieutenant Generals.

Just checked the promote rate today

The average time require from E-4 to E-5 is 4.5 year, they don't make the seperate stat anymore

I would say its around 4 for a corporal and around 6 years at jobs as a specialist

The stats I quote is as I know in 2000s
 
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Just checked the promote rate today

The average time require from E-4 to E-5 is 4.5 year, they don't make the desperate stat anymore

I would say its around 4 for a corporal and around 6 years at jobs as a specialist

The stats I quote is as I know in 2000s


Semi centralized Promotions (E-5 and E-6)


A Semi centralized Promotion process means that the unit (company) plays a part in the promotion selection process, but it's the Army (Army-wide) who decides who actually gets promoted. As I mentioned at the beginning of the article, within each Army MOS (job) there are limited numbers of who can hold the ranks of E-5 and E-6 at any given time. When vacancies open up (due to people getting promoted or people getting out), the Army has to decide (Army-wide) which E-4s (within that MOS) to promote to E-5 and which E-5s to promote to E-6.

There are two promotion processes known as "Primary Zone" and "Secondary Zone." Most enlisted are promoted in the "Primary Zone." The "Secondary Zone" gives an opportunity for commanders to give "exceptional performers" an early shot at promotion. Time-in-Service and Time-in-Grade requirements for promotion consideration in the two zones are:

Primary Zone

  • Sergeant (E-5) - 8 months TIG as an E-4 and 36 months (3 years) TIS.
  • Staff Sergeant (E-6) - 10 months TIG as an E-5 and 84 months (7 years) TIS.
Secondary Zone (Exceptional Performers)

  • Sergeant (E-5) - 4 months TIG and 18 months TIS.
  • Staff Sergeant (E-6) - 5 months TIG and 48 months (4 years) TIS.


Even though the TIG requirements I've quoted above, most E-4's make the Sgt list after the promotion board, as soon as slot opens. It is certainly not 4-6 years to get promoted to an E-5.

PS: Where're you getting the figures of 4 years for corporal and 6 years for Specialist from?


Army Enlisted Promotion System, page 2
 
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Even though the TIG requirements I've quoted above, most E-4's make the Sgt list after the promotion board, as soon as slot opens. It is certainly not 4-6 years to get promoted to an E-5.

PS: Where're you getting the figures of 4 years for corporal and 6 years for Specialist from?


Army Enlisted Promotion System, page 2

what you are quoting is the time to appear in promotion board, by no mean you can be passed, indeed you can reach SGT in less than 1 year and SSG in 2, but not everyone can do it

Essentially what you are quoting is the time for a soldier to become "promotable" not the average time to get promoted from E-4 to E-5, go 3 page forward to page 5 and you will get an average time in service for promotion

However, they are now stretched the promotion time to expand the full service from 24 to 32 years (3 re-up to 4) and the TIG and TIS both prolonged
 
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People should not confuse 'rank' with 'grade'. They are not the same.

A 'grade' is the same for all branches. The 'rank' differs.

An E-4 in the Air Force is on the same scale as an E-4 in the Army or the Navy. It is their 'ranks' or labels attached to E-4 that are different. An E-4 in the Army could be either a Corporal or a Specialist, for the Navy it is Petty Officer Third Class, and for the Marines it is Corporal.

An O-1 in the Air Force, Army, and Marines is a Second Lieutenant. For the Navy it is Ensign.

In the USAF, once there were two ranks for grade E-4: Senior Airman and Sergeant. An Airman First Class (E-3) becomes Senior Airman (E-4), then after one year, he is automatically 'promoted' into the NCO corps by rank of Sergeant, but still the same grade of E-4. No change in pay but with increased responsibilities befitting an NCO. The Senior Airman rank is often jokingly called 'sub-sergeant'. Today, the Air Force did away with the rank of Sergeant. The Senior Airman rank is still an E-4 but is now an NCO. The next rank is Staff Sergeant (E-5).

Now here is a little quirk in the flag, meaning the generals and admirals, ranks: If a Major outrank a Lieutenant, then why does a Lieutenant General outrank a Major General? Very interesting answer for those willing to search for it.

Also for some ranks of the US Army, Marines, and Air Force officers, their caps' visors are adorned with clouds and lightning bolts, but those decorations are jokingly called 'darts and farts'.

Grade is just a DoD Grade, actually many people don't know DoD and some defense related branch uses the same paygrade system as with US military (DHS is a prime example)

Paygrade only detail on how much you get paid, but rank are of different think, it detail your job and responsibility. In the Army, we have multiple rank on the same paygrade, where indicate different command structure.

E-8 can be either be Master Sergeant or First Sergeant. While both are senior NCO, Master Sergeant are the general avenue of entry, while First Sergeant is the select few that was choosen for the job of Company First Sergeant for an infantry company :)

But if you want to talk about rank, what else can be more confusing than the Navy Rank? Between Rank, Paygrade, they also have line service and rating to considered. I would hate to join the Navy and learn all the rating....
 
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From what I heard the u.s. military is filling its ranks with Mexicans that want green cards and blacks that just need a paycheck for food. Not patriotic or quality people. O and tough lesbians.
 
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From what I heard the u.s. military is filling its ranks with Mexicans that want green cards and blacks that just need a paycheck for food. Not patriotic or quality people. O and tough lesbians.
You bet...As long as they are willing to fight...
 
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From what I heard the u.s. military is filling its ranks with Mexicans that want green cards and blacks that just need a paycheck for food. Not patriotic or quality people. O and tough lesbians.

if that is true, we need to look for Mexicans, except they won't join without green cards, blacks and tough lesbians of our own.
 
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From what I heard the u.s. military is filling its ranks with Mexicans that want green cards and blacks that just need a paycheck for food. Not patriotic or quality people. O and tough lesbians.

So,you are stating that Mexicans and black people are not patriots.I understand that you have dislikes for American military,but bringing people of other nationality such as Mexicans and blacks and labelling them as low quality people is severe offense.How you will feel when white people will discuss you like that in their forums?

-Regards
 
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So,you are stating that Mexicans and black people are not patriots.I understand that you have dislikes for American military,but bringing people of other nationality such as Mexicans and blacks and labelling them as low quality people is severe offense.How you will feel when white people will discuss you like that in their forums?

-Regards

Maybe he wanted our Mexican soldier invade his home and force him to eat Tacos

Or he wanted our lesbo soldier invade his country and spead some lesbo love? I dunno
 
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From what I heard the u.s. military is filling its ranks with Mexicans that want green cards and blacks that just need a paycheck for food. Not patriotic or quality people. O and tough lesbians.

So just because they want green cards they are unpatriotic? Heck if anyone deserves a green card it should be people willing to put their lives on the line to get it. Also same for a lot of blacks sure you have some that are ex cons but a vast majority join because they want too. As for lesbians lol who cares if they are lesbians?
 
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People should not confuse 'rank' with 'grade'. They are not the same.
A 'grade' is the same for all branches. The 'rank' differs.

Thanks to DOPMA.

@jhungary Profile pic change?


The average time require from E-4 to E-5 is 4.5 year, they don't make the seperate stat anymore

Depends on which unit of the US Army the soldier is in.
  • Private (E-2) - 6 months
  • Private First Class (E-3) - 1 year
  • Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 18 months
  • Sergeant (E-5) - 4.2 years
  • Staff Sergeant (E-6) - 8.5 years
  • Sergeant First Class (E-7) - 13.6 years
  • Master Sergeant/First Sergeant (E-8) - 17 years
  • Sergeant Major (E-9) - 20.8 years
(Spec Ops takes 18 months) How long it takes for a soldier to rank up is dependent on the MOS and the number of vacancies there are in that job. However, Each year Congress passes the Defense Authorization Act which tells the Army how many Active Service Member it can have. On top of that it tells them the Percentage of members it can have in each C/O rank.

There's also the World Famous US Army Promotion Personnel System. Which lets not get started on.

From what I heard the u.s. military is filling its ranks with Mexicans that want green cards and blacks that just need a paycheck for food. Not patriotic or quality people. O and tough lesbians.
Your just a dumb@$$. <---Insult intended
 
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