WE WILL SELL T-129 ATAK GUNSHIP TO PAKISTAN :TAI General Manager Temel Kotil

[tarrar]

Pakistan should test new MI28 NE before taking any decision. The biggest problem Pakistan will face after purchasing T129 is going to be the US made engine, so PD don't rush into it. Explore for another option & the beat one amongst T129 & WZ10 is MI28 NE.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Kotil: Pakistan’a ATAK satacağız!

Kotil: Pakistan’a ATAK satacağız!
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TAI Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil İstanbul Düşünce Vakfı’nın toplantısında T129 ATAK Helikopteri ve Hürkuş’taki son gelişmeler hakkında bilgiler verdi.

TAI Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil, İstanbul Düşünce Vakfı tarafından düzenlenen toplantıda “ATAK helikopterimizi kontrollü olarak satabiliyoruz, önümüzdeki aylarda Pakistan’a satacağız” dedi.

Pakistan Kara Havacılık Komutanlığı’nın isteği doğrultusunda T129 ATAK Taarruz ve Taktik Keşif Helikopteri 21-31 Mayıs 2016 tarihleri arasında Pakistan’ın zorlayıcı iklim ve coğrafi koşullarında, Pano Aqil’de 50 derecede yüksek sıcaklık testlerini, Himalayalar’ın başlangıcı Hindikuş Dağları’nda ise 14.000 feet’te yüksek irtifa testlerini gerçekleştirmişti.

Öte yandan Kotil, Milli Savunma Bakanı Fikri Işık’ın Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii tesislerini ziyareti sırasında gündeme getirdiği ‘İnsansız Hürkuş’ konusunda ise büyük bir ihtimalle insansız modelinin yapılmayacağını söyledi.

T129 ATAK Attack and Tactical Reconnaissance Helicopter at the request of the Pakistani Land Aviation Command has conducted high temperature tests at 50 degrees in Pano Aqil during the forced climate and geographical conditions of Pakistan between 21 and 31 May 2016 and at the beginning of the Himalayas in the Hindikush Mountains He performed high altitude tests at 14,000 feet.
TAI General Manager Temel Kotil gave information about the latest developments in T129 ATAK Helicopter and Hürkuş at the Istanbul Thought Trust meeting. TAI General Manager Temel Kotil said in a meeting organized by the Istanbul Thought Foundation that "ATAK can sell our helicopters under control, we will sell them to Pakistan in the coming months."

AH-1Z, WZ-10, Mi-35 and T-129 all in service with Pakistan in very limited numbers points to some very nerfarious motives and also assures of operational issues down the line.

This is going to be a very costly zoo to maintain.

Just need 8-12 years of 5.5% growth.

Pakistan needs to grow at a minimum of 7% to cover the new entrants into its workforce every year.

 

[Zarvan]

Can Italy provide engine for T-129??

I think so

 

[ziaulislam]

AH-1Z, WZ-10, Mi-35 and T-129 all in service with Pakistan in very limited numbers points to some very nerfarious motives and also assures of operational issues down the line.

This is going to be a very costly zoo to maintain.


Pakistan needs to grow at a minimum of 7% to cover the new entrants into its workforce every year.

right you are here
though for now we haven't brought any one of them except for mi 35 which is nt a gunship rather than more a modified mi 17

i hope army just choose one either z-10 or t 129
when it comes to zulu they would be provided mostly via usa financing
original plan was to operate two types zulus and one either the z-10 or t 129

 

[Abingdonboy]

right you are here
though for now we haven't brought any one of them except for mi 35 which is nt a gunship rather than more a modified mi 17

i hope army just choose one either z-10 or t 129
when it comes to zulu they would be provided mostly via usa financing
original plan was to operate two types zulus and one either the z-10 or t 129

That's a more sensible idea but it still would be sub-optimal. No matter what you are commited to the Zulu's through-life support, then you'll add the Mi-35 and it's support needs and now there will be another foreign attack helo bought in limited numbers that needs to be maintained, crewed and supported throughout its lifespan.

This is a highly inefficeient and costly way of going about things, the marginal cost is meant to drop with every additional unit added but the way the PA is going about it the marginal cost will actually increase with every addtional unit.

With multiple times in limited numbers there is no chance of localised support infrastructure being set up and there will be inter-operability issues.

Just seems like a bad deal all around.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

That's a more sensible idea but it still would be sub-optimal. No matter what you are commited to the Zulu's through-life support, then you'll add the Mi-35 and it's support needs and now there will be another foreign attack helo bought in limited numbers that needs to be maintained, crewed and supported throughout its lifespan.

This is a highly inefficeient and costly way of going about things, the marginal cost is meant to drop with every additional unit added but the way the PA is going about it the marginal cost will actually increase with every addtional unit.

With multiple times in limited numbers there is no chance of localised support infrastructure being set up and there will be inter-operability issues.

Just seems like a bad deal all around.

indian creatures said the same about Pakistan becoming s nuclear weapons state yet we are now producing MIRVs, SLCMs & have had H-bomb capability for at least 6 years:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

So the opinions of you and your kind are completely null, void, worthless & meaningless.

 

[Abingdonboy]

indian creatures said the same about Pakistan becoming s nuclear weapons state yet we are now producing MIRVs, SLCMs & have had H-bomb capability for at least 6 years:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

So the opinions of you and your kind are completely null, void, worthless & meaningless.

What has this got to do with what I said?

 

[Baybars Han]

That's a more sensible idea but it still would be sub-optimal. No matter what you are commited to the Zulu's through-life support, then you'll add the Mi-35 and it's support needs and now there will be another foreign attack helo bought in limited numbers that needs to be maintained, crewed and supported throughout its lifespan.

This is a highly inefficeient and costly way of going about things, the marginal cost is meant to drop with every additional unit added but the way the PA is going about it the marginal cost will actually increase with every addtional unit.

With multiple times in limited numbers there is no chance of localised support infrastructure being set up and there will be inter-operability issues.

Just seems like a bad deal all around.

India cant be talking about this because you guys have like 10 different fighter jets from how many different countries.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Not good news.

Any hope for the local industry in the helicopter sector is dead.

 

[HRK]

indian creatures said the same about Pakistan becoming s nuclear weapons state yet we are now producing MIRVs, SLCMs & have had H-bomb capability for at least 6 years:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

So the opinions of you and your kind are completely null, void, worthless & meaningless.

plz cool down ....

 

[Abingdonboy]

India cant be talking about this because you guys have like 10 different fighter jets from how many different countries.

How about you stick to the topic and address the points i have made instead of (predicatably) turning this into a personal attack.

As for your comment about the IAF:

MiG-21+MiG-23+MiG-27------>LCA+Rafale
Jaguar (DARIN II)----->Rafale
MiG-29UPG+Mirage 2000-5 MK.2+Jaguar (DARIN III)----> Rafale+ AMCA (from 2030)
Su-30MKI (to stay for the forseeable future, to be upgraded to Super standard)
FGFA

By 2030 there will only be 4/5 types in the IAF.

 

[Baybars Han]

How about you stick to the topic and address the points i have made instead of (predicatably) turning this into a personal attack.

As for your comment about the IAF:

MiG-21+MiG-23+MiG-27------>LCA+Rafale
Jaguar (DARIN II)----->Rafale
MiG-29UPG+Mirage 2000-5 MK.2+Jaguar (DARIN III)----> Rafale+ AMCA (from 2030)
Su-30MKI (to stay for the forseeable future, to be upgraded to Super standard)
FGFA

By 2030 there will only be 4/5 types in the IAF.

Its not a personal attack. What im trying to say is, if Pakistan gets 2-3 different types helicopters, it isnt too much. You said it will be a very big strain as there will have to be 2-3 different logistic chains, and I compared how India has around 7-8 different types of fighters, from 3-4 different countries.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Its not a personal attack. What im trying to say is, if Pakistan gets 2-3 different types helicopters, it isnt too much. You said it will be a very big strain as there will have to be 2-3 different logistic chains, and I compared how India has around 7-8 different types of fighters, from 3-4 different countries.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

It isn't just about the diversity but the numbers, the IAF operates 5-6 different types but all are present in large numbers which has also allowed for signifcant localisations. The MiG-21/27, Su-30 MKI and Jaguars were all made in India and their full support infrastructure exists in India itself, the same will be the case for the LCA (and AMCA), the Rafale will have a highly localised support network and will be made in India shortly also.

Contrast this with the attack helicopter question in Pakistan- the numbers in question are highly limited (10-30 per type) so no localised support setup but all ancillary acitivites (training, maintainence, SOPs, through-life support) will have to occur from each respective OEM (and their partners) and such services will be duplicated in such a small force, it is not an optimal solution at all. Consider that adding 1 type is not a simple process because you will also have to strike agreements will all of the OEMs who provide sub-systems to the type so by adding an addotional type the strain increases exponetially and this is only mitigated by ordering large numbers- which Pakistan isn't doing, it's a lose-lose situation.


So even 10-12 different types but of 100+ units each would be preferable to 3-4 types withjust 20-30 units each.

 

[Penguin]

There goes any hope of establishing a local helicopter industry.

Why? There are still (m)any other helicopter types that can be made, for which there may be greater demand. Besides, why would Pakistan need to domestically make an attack helicopter. Its a saturated market. Not even South Africa with the wonderfull Rooikat found any takers.

 

[salarsikander]

You are comparing apples and oranges.

It isn't just about the diversity but the numbers, the IAF operates 5-6 different types but all are present in large numbers which has also allowed for signifcant localisations. The MiG-21/27, Su-30 MKI and Jaguars were all made in India and their full support infrastructure exists in India itself, the same will be the case for the LCA (and AMCA), the Rafale will have a highly localised support network and will be made in India shortly also.

Contrast this with the attack helicopter question in Pakistan- the numbers in question are highly limited (10-30 per type) so no localised support setup but all ancillary acitivites (training, maintainence, SOPs, through-life support) will have to occur from each respective OEM (and their partners) and such services will be duplicated in such a small force, it is not an optimal solution at all. Consider that adding 1 type is not a simple process because you will also have to strike agreements will all of the OEMs who provide sub-systems to the type so by adding an addotional type the strain increases exponetially and this is only mitigated by ordering large numbers- which Pakistan isn't doing, it's a lose-lose situation.


So even 10-12 different types but of 100+ units each would be preferable to 3-4 types withjust 20-30 units each.

First of all. I am not sure where dd u get the impression that we have already ordered TAI AND wz-10.
Secondly if you have a copy of signing agreement please share it.
Thirdly, stop making your analysis on limited news.
YOu did the same with Rafael and it took years for just 20-25 jets