'We should stay out of it': Netanyahu distances Israel from US over Soleimani killing

[mangekyo]

Plenty of what you said is plausible. I don't think ISIS is ever "finished". USA always maintains it as a strategic asset.

USA has learned a heck of a lot in recent times.

Why send in American troops when some dumb zealots can do the job for you? ISIS were only barely thwarted in Syria thanks to massive Russian assistance and massive collateral damage, which actually did a lot of harm to Iran's image in ME. Syria was a costly, pyrrhic "victory" for Iran, while USA didn't even commit massive ground forces at all. USA certainly failed its overall objective but it still beat a reasonably ordered retreat.

Look I'm no expert or even a quarter of one. I just think Iran will not be able to inflict significant human casualties on the Americans, which if you understand your history, (I.e. Vietnam) is the ONLY rate-limiting step to American ambitions. Sure, I lack knowledge on Iran.....but I know the American mindset. No peace movement, million man march, international law, UN pleas, Russian verbal threats, Iranian civilian deaths, refugees crisis ain't gonna do squat to convince USA to stop.....ONLY US SERVICE PERSONNEL IN BODY BAGS suddenly gets them singing kumbayah and holding hands for peace.

I actually hope you're right and Iran foils the American schemes. Honestly I do - for selfish reasons mind you.

ISIS only managed to be successful in the beginning of their campaign because they faced no worthy resistance. The Syrian army were worthless and busy fighting the rebels. I believe they are still worthless. The Iraqi army lacked spirit and didn't put up a fight against ISIS. They fled the battlefield. There really was no one doing resistance. Syrians still prove to be worthless, Hezbollah from Lebanon, Afghan, Iranian and even Pakistani volunteers had to save the Syrian Army. Putin didn't start bombing ISIS before ISIS was almost finished off.

In Iraq however, under right rule and motivation, the Iraqis proved to be very capable fighters. ISIS stands absolutely 0 chance against the Iraqis now, they would demolish ISIS.

You are right about one thing though. US wont stop at anything unless they start seeing dead bodybags with American flags on them. The difference between Iranians and Americans though is that when we see a dead Iranian, we get angry and want revenge. When Americans see dead Americans, they get scared and piss their pants.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

So you are saying that US killed Soleimani so that they have an excuse to quickly pull out their soldiers from vulnerable positions/locations before the war with Iran really starts? How did they know that they would have sufficient time or that the Iraqis/Iranian proxies would be slow to react?

I think the overall plan is moving as deep state intended.

You're assuming Trump actually cares for American lives. I used to think that but no longer. He has his own agenda and everything he says is bullcrap to simply further that agenda. Regarding Iran, he is on the same page as the deep state.

Let's say Iranian proxies decimated US ground troops on day 1 after the assassination. That wouldn't change the overall plan. US would do exactly what it's doing now but quicker of course and would accept the loss of a thousand troops even. Indeed that would give it cassus belli to devastate Iran quicker.

Without Pearl Harbor, would USA not eventually have dealt with Japan?

ISIS only managed to be successful in the beginning of their campaign because they faced no worthy resistance. The Syrian army were worthless and busy fighting the rebels. I believe they are still worthless. The Iraqi army lacked spirit and didn't put up a fight against ISIS. They fled the battlefield. There really was no one doing resistance. Syrians still prove to be worthless, Hezbollah from Lebanon, Afghan, Iranian and even Pakistani volunteers had to save the Syrian Army. Putin didn't start bombing ISIS before ISIS was almost finished off.

In Iraq however, under right rule and motivation, the Iraqis proved to be very capable fighters. ISIS stands absolutely 0 chance against the Iraqis now, they would demolish ISIS.

You are right about one thing though. US wont stop at anything unless they start seeing dead bodybags with American flags on them. The difference between Iranians and Americans though is that when we see a dead Iranian, we get angry and want revenge. When Americans see dead Americans, they get scared and piss their pants.

Yes, to stop USA, SUSTAINED casualties at a HIGH RATE are needed. Even small bursts is not enough. So don't think shock and awe. It would need to be Vietnam style.

 

[PakSword]

Whatever we say or think, Israel has high stakes in this scenario, and it wants the escalation in the region.. Israel wants a reason to attack M.E states... the secret documents reveal Zionist's agenda of Greater Israel.

Just one month back, I was thinking that Zionists are out of all the options to extend their boundaries.. within a month I got to know that things change with every passing day in the world we are living in.

 

[mangekyo]

I think the overall plan is moving as deep state intended.

You're assuming Trump actually cares for American lives. I used to think that but no longer. He has his own agenda and everything he says is bullcrap to simply further that agenda. Regarding Iran, he is on the same page as the deep state.

Let's say Iranian proxies decimated US ground troops on day 1 after the assassination. That wouldn't change the overall plan. US would do exactly what it's doing now but quicker of course and would accept the loss of a thousand troops even. Indeed that would give it cassus belli to devastate Iran quicker.

Without Pearl Harbor, would USA not eventually have dealt with Japan?

But only congress can declare war, and congress made it very clear that they do not want war. No doubt the deep state wants war and don't care about casualties. But their power comes from bases in the Middle East, ironically those bases are what makes them vulnerable against us. Look, I'm not saying Iran is a superpower that can shit on USA. But unless they are going to withdraw completely from M.E and leave no bases, no personell, leave nothing in M.E. They cant do much. If they pullout completely. Then thats a different story, because no one is dumb enough to target US mainland. You WILL get nuked if you do.

Yes, to stop USA, SUSTAINED casualties at a HIGH RATE are needed. Even small bursts is not enough. So don't think shock and awe. It would need to be Vietnam style.

Iran is more than capable of inflicting sustained damage and sustained casualties at a very high rate in the middle east. Trumps foreign policy towards Iran was solely based on one thing. To look better than Obama.

His plan was to put sanctions and threaten Iran until they back down and renegotiate so that Trump would look like Trump is a better negotiator than Obama. Plan B was to destroy Iran from within like they did with Syria and Libya. Sanction the country until its weak, arm rebels and terrorists, cause a civil war, further weaken the country and destroy it from within THEN invade. US wont fight a war if there is resistance.

 

[hussain0216]

The jew tentacles pulling the U.S strings getting them to do stupid things and when the U.S gets stuck, Israel just brings out the big innocent baby eyes

The Jews really are something else

 

[Oldman1]

It’s hardly surprising. The Israelis were never prepared to risk a broad conflict with Iran. Their strategy has always been to manipulate the stupid Americans into sacrificing themselves for the Zionist project. They have no desire to fight wars with those that can do them damage in return. Only for massacring civilians in an open-air prison from 30,000ft.

Iran should attack Israel in retaliation. Since they know who the true mastermind is.

 

[crankthatskunk]

I now think it's a deliberate ruse. USA is pulling its ground troops out asap to avoid the extremely high risk positions they would be in. They aren't stupid yknow.

The coming war will be to contain Iran within Iranian borders by massive air, drone and naval power.

Iranian proxies will be attacked by USA's hired goons (Sunni militias and God knows...
ISIS, Kurds and whatever else). No way is Trump risking ground troops to rocket saturation barrages when enough proxies are available to be glorious "shaheeds".

Maybe some specops will be done but that's it folks.

USA will achieve its objectives because Iran is walking into a trap. There won't be a ground occupation (except for a couple of bases in sistan-balochestan to facilitate their future engagement with Pakistan), just an aerial/naval containment, a proxy ground war with a million dumb shaheeds on each side, specops and bunker busters to thwart nuclear ambitions, and devastation for already sanctioned Iranian citizens, who will ultimately demand regime change or enforce it through armed rebel groups. This could get very bad for Iran.

Believe me, I'd like for Iran to stop American hegemony, mainly because I know America wishes to come after Pakistan next, but I don't think Iran can win because of this carefully plannend American trap. Sunnis and Kurds will be unleashed by USA to do the ground work. The yanks will sit back and push buttons.


....which is precisely why they will not use the same attritional strategy. They will push buttons from a safe distance this time.

Oh boy. What is this!!
bases in Sistan-balochistan for future engagement in Pakistan!!
What USA achieved by maintaining bases in Afghanistan!!

Yes, USA can bomb Iran through air power. But what next, you think Iran will just sit quietly!!
If USA is scared from the retaliation from the Iran, you think they would engage with Pakistan!! They have not during their Afghanistan dejour. Despite having full backing of Afghans and India, while in Iran they would not get such backings.

No, no way. Russia and China will not stay quiet if Iran is attacked.
And if Pakistan attacked, it would definitely be WW III.
Remember, the Indians attack on 26th Feb was USA and Israel orchestrated. But what happened, Pakistan responded, and the "Kartoos" of India fall flat on the ground.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

But only congress can declare war, and congress made it very clear that they do not want war. No doubt the deep state wants war and don't care about casualties. But their power comes from bases in the Middle East, ironically those bases are what makes them vulnerable against us. Look, I'm not saying Iran is a superpower that can shit on USA. But unless they are going to withdraw completely from M.E and leave no bases, no personell, leave nothing in M.E. They cant do much. If they pullout completely. Then thats a different story, because no one is dumb enough to target US mainland. You WILL get nuked if you do.




Iran is more than capable of inflicting sustained damage and sustained casualties at a very high rate in the middle east. Trumps foreign policy towards Iran was solely based on one thing. To look better than Obama.

His plan was to put sanctions and threaten Iran until they back down and renegotiate so that Trump would look like Trump is a better negotiator than Obama. Plan B was to destroy Iran from within like they did with Syria and Libya. Sanction the country until its weak, arm rebels and terrorists, cause a civil war, further weaken the country and destroy it from within THEN invade. US wont fight a war if there is resistance.

What you're hinting at here is that Trump's ego is his weakness and may be why he seems to rush half baked plans through. He has certainly gambled heavily by doing this now. He clearly doesn't know what will happen next. That might well be how Iran can possibly escape this trap. Your point about it being difficult for them to withdraw completely is also true.

I understand China and Russia are already being considered to take over "rebuilding" Iraq if the Americans are truly to be forced out. Not a bad idea actually, and something that Trump may not be prepared for. It certainly caught the Americans out in Syria.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

The Jews really are something else

 

[mangekyo]

This is how I imagine the 500 guy looks like

 

[Path-Finder]

why distance yourself from it?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Oh boy. What is this!!
bases in Sistan-balochistan for future engagement in Pakistan!!
What USA achieved by maintaining bases in Afghanistan!!

Yes, USA can bomb Iran through air power. But what next, you think Iran will just sit quietly!!
If USA is scared from the retaliation from the Iran, you think they would engage with Pakistan!! They have not during their Afghanistan dejour. Despite having full backing of Afghans and India, while in Iran they would not get such backings.

No, no way. Russia and China will not stay quiet if Iran is attacked.
And if Pakistan attacked, it would definitely be WW III.
Remember, the Indians attack on 26th Feb was USA and Israel orchestrated. But what happened, Pakistan responded, and the "Kartoos" of India fall flat on the ground.

I hope you're right...and I'm merely worrying about a worst case scenario.

 

[dani92]

Is this corrupt clown kidding?? USA carried out his mission for him and his nation. USA has only ever been carrying out missions for his nation's benefit, and he has the nerve to say "let's stay out of it now the sh+& hit the fan"??

Even if he is merely bluffing to keep his nation's missions against Iran secret, to come out and make such a humiliating statement about his sponsors is disgraceful.

He could simply stay quiet, no comment, that sort of thing, if asked directly whether Israel would support USA in military action against Iran.

This is humiliating for Trump.

Trump might want to consider demanding public clarification of these odd comments.

No he is not but he will let the Gentiles kill eachothers

 

[El Sidd]

That is smart knowing you are the only beneficial owner of the facade.

Nutinyahoo is a smart Caininite.