We need to talk about Indians and their "fakeness" in regards to Turkey, Islam, Japan and the West

[waz]

The UK have a certain tolerance of Turkish nationals because the Turks have been an integral part of trade long before the industrial revolution.

One of the oldest trading houses in East London was run by a Turkish Family. I’ve travelled extensively in Eastern Europe and so just like you said I have heard from people (horses mouth) and why they hate Mohammedans what they call (Muslims) and Turks - many blame both the Ottoman Empire and the Moor’s.

Turkish and British links go back hundreds of years. Yes they fought one another during World War 1 but during Ottoman times and prior Turkey often helped militarily with UK wars against France and Spain. It's a crazy history.
The UK also lobbied hard for Turkey to join the EU, and now with us having left the UK offers strong defence ties with Turkey.
You're right about the Eastern and Central part of Europe it's part of their history, hence the hate. The Spanish and Italians aim it at the Moors as well.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yep with the Eastern and Central Europeans seeing them as blood enemies due to the Ottoman empire it's literally built into them, bikini or hijab makes no difference to them.
The Western Europeans are less bigoted to extreme e.g. France, Austria very extreme hate to the Dutch less so. But none see them in any way as 'kin'.
I'd say the UK is the only one with favourable views, oh the Swedes and Norwegians as well.

You have to factor in the 'other equation'. This is when we humans use the other to garner unity and create sense of self. For 'us' to exist there has to be the other. For white to exist you need black.

This equations effect will change lines and perceptions over time. Before WW2 or 1940s there was no coloured people in large numbers. This was appicable across most of Europe. Yet discrimination and prejudice was rampant. The Irish in UK got kicked about and were the 'other' to be scapegoated for everything. No 'dogs or Irish' signed were posted on windows next to 'for rent signs. Jews were another minority who were punching bags and nationalism often was defined by contrasting against the vile Jew. This of course reached it's climax in Germany of 1940s.

In 1950s Maltese, Italians, Cypriots, Greeks etc were the swarthy pak*s of their era. I have seen this racism expressed in movies of that time which looked down at Cypriot and other Mediteranean people as brown scum and below the level of Nordic or Anglo-Saxons of Europe. Crime in London include pimping etc waas associated with these hroups particularly Maltese in London.

Then post 1960s massive wave of migration from Asia and Africa began a new process of the 'other equation'. Suddenly Irish, Maltese, Italians etc began to be embraced and in time almost become to be seen as attractive and positive identities. We all know today how these groups carry cache amplified by the holidays people take to Meditearanean. Positive association has helped in this process. When British go to holiday in Greece they have a great time thus 'Greece' begins to convey a very strong positive response.

Today in UK I see a process where active effor is being made to accomodate Black and Indian people - the other is now Pakistani's and Muslims - although the 'Muslim' is largely a synomym for Pakistani's as it does not include Turks, Cypriot Turks, Bosnian etc.

This same process has now began in Turkey. They used to pick on Kurds, Greeks etc as other. Then Arabs also got included as other. Now expect that equation to again move positions.

Paks will become the other and Greeks, Kurds, Arabs and even Armenians will be embraced over time.


@Foinikas @KediKesenFare @Joe Shearer

 

[Foinikas]

This was appicable across most of Europe.

In Greece it was rare to see a black person in the 80s.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You have to factor in the 'other equation'. This is when we humans use the other to garner unity and create sense of self. For 'us' to exist there has to be the other. For white to exist you need black.


This equations effect will change lines and perceptions over time. Before WW2 or 1940s there was no coloured people in large numbers. This was appicable across most of Europe. Yet discrimination and prejudice was rampant. The Irish in UK got kicked about and were the 'other' to be scapegoated for everything. No 'dogs or Irish' signed were posted on windows next to 'for rent signs. Jews were another minority who were punching bags and nationalism often was defined by contrasting against the vile Jew. This of course reached it's climax in Germany of 1940s.

In 1950s Maltese, Italians, Cypriots, Greeks etc were the swarthy pak*s of their era. I have seen this racism expressed in movies of that time which looked down at Cypriot and other Mediteranean people as brown scum and below the level of Nordic or Anglo-Saxons of Europe. Crime in London include pimping etc waas associated with these hroups particularly Maltese in London.

Then post 1960s massive wave of migration from Asia and Africa began a new process of the 'other equation'. Suddenly Irish, Maltese, Italians etc began to be embraced and in time almost become to be seen as attractive and positive identities. We all know today how these groups carry cache amplified by the holidays people take to Meditearanean. Positive association has helped in this process. When British go to holiday in Greece they have a great time thus 'Greece' begins to convey a very strong positive response.

Today in UK I see a process where active effor is being made to accomodate Black and Indian people - the other is now Pakistani's and Muslims - although the 'Muslim' is largely a synomym for Pakistani's as it does not include Turks, Cypriot Turks, Bosnian etc.

This same process has now began in Turkey. They used to pick on Kurds, Greeks etc as other. Then Arabs also got included as other. Now expect that equation to again move positions.

Paks will become the other and Greeks, Kurds, Arabs and even Armenians will be embraced over time.


@Foinikas @KediKesenFare @Joe Shearer

Blacks are now fully integrated in to white english society. anti-black racism is virtually non-existent in the uk. In fact a new race has emerged in the uk as the result of the breeding between white english women and men of black african descent.

There is something deep and profound within the Pakistani people which for some reason causes us to be separate, different and not able to integrate with those that are foreign to us. Pakistanis are unique to ALL other non-white races in that we generally don't seek to associate ourselves or look for the approval of the white races. ALL other non-whites do. Have no idea why this is.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In Greece it was rare to see a black person in the 80s.

My observations were mostly informed from UK standpoint. But yiu are aware that Greeks were looked down and contrasted against the tal Nordics and Anglo-Saxons of Northern Europe. The Greek was seen as underfed, sickly, greesy, poor peasant who was subject of slavery to dirty Asiatics [Turks].

Have no idea why this is.

I would like to think that we as scions of civilization are superior to other, lesser races? Who else gave Greeks of Alexanders Army a 'dogs beating'?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

My observations were mostly informed from UK standpoint. But yiu are aware that Greeks were looked down and contrasted against the tal Nordics and Anglo-Saxons of Northern Europe. The Greek was seen as underfed, sickly, greesy, poor peasant who was subject of slavery to dirty Asiatics [Turks].


I would like to think that we as scions of civilization are superior to other, lesser races? Who else gave Greeks of Alexanders Army a 'dogs beating'?

Quite possibly. Even in social settings, Pakistanis tend to confidently congregate and socialize amongst ourselves without caring what those who are foreign to us think. All other non-whites especiallly the sikhs and filipinnos go out of their way to mix, socialize and seek the approval of white europeans even at the expense of ignoring their own kind.

My observations were mostly informed from UK standpoint. But yiu are aware that Greeks were looked down and contrasted against the tal Nordics and Anglo-Saxons of Northern Europe. The Greek was seen as underfed, sickly, greesy, poor peasant who was subject of slavery to dirty Asiatics [Turks].

But now the dark blacks/africans are looked on favorably by the white english to the extent that white english women want to mass breed with black/african men.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Quite possibly. Even in social settings, Pakistanis tend to confidently congregate and socialize amongst ourselves without caring what those who are foreign to us think. All other non-whites especiallly the sikhs and filipinnos go out of their way to mix, socialize and seek the approval of white europeans even at the expense of ignoring their own kind.



But now the dark blacks/africans are looked on favorably by the white english to the extent that white english women want to mass breed with black/african men.

Two years ago while on holiday in Crete I happened to driving through a tiny village in the dry hills. I pulled over in the village high street next to shop to buy fresh water melon. While eating the melon and trying to talk to the Greek lady in limited English I saw a tall, swarthy guy draped in classic Shalwar Kameez [non of the Gangu/Bollybood stuff] walking with swag in middle of the road. What a sight. I had to go to him and intro myself think he is either Pak or Afghan. Yes, he was a brother from Dir. The arrogant attitude in that guy was inspiring and chances are he was illegal migrant.

 

[Foinikas]

But yiu are aware that Greeks were looked down and contrasted against the tal Nordics and Anglo-Saxons of Northern Europe. The Greek was seen as underfed, sickly, greesy, poor peasant who was subject of slavery to dirty Asiatics [Turks]

In the modern UK?

I would like to think that we as scions of civilization are superior to other, lesser races? Who else gave Greeks of Alexanders Army a 'dogs beating'?

A dog's beating? Last time I checked Porus lost the battle

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Two years ago while on holiday in Crete I happened to driving through a tiny village in the dry hills. I pulled over in the village high street next to shop to buy fresh water melon. While eating the melon and trying to talk to the Greek lady in limited English I saw a tall, swarthy guy draped in classic Shalwar Kameez [non of the Gangu/Bollybood stuff] walking with swag in middle of the road. What a sight. I had to go to him and intro myself think he is either Pak or Afghan. Yes, he was a brother from Dir. The arrogant attitude in that guy was inspiring and chances are he was illegal migrant.

That's the thing. ALL other non-whites don't have this persona. This gentleman you saw would never care what white europeans thought of him or about mixing with them. I stand by what I say. Apart from Pakistanis, ALL OTHER non-white groups seek the approval and acceptance of white europeans.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

In the modern UK?

No. before 1950s.

Last time I checked Porus lost the battle

Sometimes if you even lose to a world conqueror after valiant defeat it garners respect. Find out where Alex lost his horse and almost got killed.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

That's the thing. ALL other non-whites don't have this persona. This gentleman you saw would never care what white europeans thought of him or about mixing with them. I stand by what I say. Apart from Pakistanis, ALL OTHER non-white groups seek the approval and acceptance of white europeans.

American Pakees like to mingle with whites more so than the UK ones. I used to live in an apartment building with a Pakistani guy who had a white girlfriend. This was a very expensive area of new York city/upper East side. The white girl had a dog and this pakee dude used to talk to me in English every time I tried conversing in Urdu. Anyways one day I saw him picking up dog shit outside the building and I started making fun of him in Urdu. This guy was almost in tears.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

American Pakees like to mingle with whites more so than the UK ones. I used to live in an apartment building with a Pakistani guy who had a white girlfriend. This was a very expensive area of new York city/upper East side. The white girl had a dog and this pakee dude used to talk to me in English every time I tried conversing in Urdu. Anyways one day I saw him picking up dog shit outside the building and I started making fun of him in Urdu. This guy was almost in tears.

In the UK, Pakistanis are very confident, alpha and take pride in their heritage. This irks and annoys both the whites and the blacks.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It is not clear why this thread was necessary at all, in the first place.

 

[Foinikas]

No. before 1950s.


Sometimes if you even lose to a world conqueror after valiant defeat it garners respect. Find out where Alex lost his horse and almost got killed.

Of course,Porus earned Alexander's respect and admiration.

 

[Faqirze]

It is not clear why this thread was necessary at all, in the first place.

Lol, ask the OP who thinks that the Pakistani migrant saga and rising anti-Pakistani sentiment in Turkey is a sinister Indian conspiracy of some sort.