We have our share

[haviZsultan]

You always provide me a good laugh brother..!!!!

Well back to the point, she shouldnt have sported the tatto, which might have hurt relgious sentiments, but its absolutely wrong by the shabana and the other people too to slap her, they are not given the moral policing rights by our country right.. Case should have been registered against them for assualting a guest of the nation..!!!!

Yes exactly. Shabana was just jealous she did'nt have a tatoo like hers on the back and was afraid that if she asked her parents they'd say no...

 

[beetel]

I am not getting..Why is that written apology when she did nothing against law...

 

[haviZsultan]

Lots of foreigners study in India. The colleges in my home city, Pune have many Chinese students.

Then there is this:
The Hindu : Karnataka / Mangalore News : In search of quality healthcare

You're welcome to visit India anytime too.

I will come to visit again sometime and leave a trail of my beautiful articles around.

Keep the RSS bajrang dal shiv sena and all away though... specially Bal thakeray goes ninja on pakistani and bangladeshis that come there. His people dug up the pitch when our guys went for a little childrens under 18 cricket.

Thanks for the clarification. Btw, if you're so angry, you probably have a tatoo yourself

I do mate... thats why i defend the practice.

 

[Beskar]

U aren't serious... how are they NOt permitted in Islam?

I'm serious like how Joseph Stalin was, when his beloved Stalingrad was about to fall to the Nazi's.

It wouldn't hurt you to use the internet for some research as well. Just use Google and see what you can find on the issue. But if somehow you don't get there on time, Tattoo's are Haram in Islam. You Should've paid more attention on the "Translation" of Quran.

 

[haviZsultan]

I'm as serious as Joseph Stalin when Staligrad was about to fall to the Nazi's.

It wouldn't hurt you to use the internet for some research as well. Just use Google and see what you can find on the issue. But if somehow you don't get there on time, Tattoo's are Haram in Islam. You Should've paid more attention at the "Translation" of Quran.

Tatoos are permitted unless there is no alcohol or pig content in them being used on your skin. Also needles being inserted is haram. If the tatoo does not hurt one it is not haram.


This is perhaps a reason it is controversial though... tattoos with needles hurt the skin. It aint the entire thing though:....

Question :

Are Tattoos Haram in Islam ? if not , which symbols are haram ? I know hurting the body on purpose is Haram , but if tattoo doesn't hurt the body , is it still Haram , can u please clear all that for me.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Tattooing, in which the skin is pierced with a needle and a blue or other coloured dye is injected, is haraam in all forms, whether it causes pain or not, because it involves changing the creation of Allaah, and because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does tattoos and the one for whom that is done.

In any case i do not think they are haram. If you have a different opinion we could say that the ideal is dsputed at best with some scholars saying its allowed some not... same with music eh?

 

[Beskar]

Tatoos are permitted unless there is no alcohol or pig content in them being used on your skin. Also needles being inserted is haram. If the tatoo does not hurt one it is not haram.


This is perhaps a reason it is controversial though... tattoos with needles hurt the skin. It aint the entire thing though:....


In any case i do not think they are haram. If you have a different opinion we could say that the ideal is dsputed at best with some scholars saying its allowed some not... same with music eh?

You asked me a question about if Tattoo's are permissible, and I gave you an answer. Ask ANY sane Muslim out there, and he wouldn't tell you different. To each his own I guess. If you're not willing to believe that they're Haram, then that says a lot about you then it does about the Issue.

Have a nice one!

 

[Beskar]

Oh and by the way, Quran clearly states that our body is the property of the Almighty and NO "PERMANENT" changes are to be made to it in your life time. As it has to be returned to the almighty just the way it was delivered to the soul WITHOUT any alterations. That includes SKIN alteration as well. Women have an exception to jewellery (ear piercings) But not men. I think that's one of the MOST BASIC and most VALID reasoning that one could provide.

There's TONS of answers from Notable scholars of Islam about how Tattoo's are Haraam available on the Internet. You should've done more research about the Issue before you decided to get one. Anyway, Your personal decision. What's done is done.

 

[Beskar]

Are Tattoo's Permitted in Islam?

No they are not. Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon commanded:



Narrated 'Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari: "The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Oppressions, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 654)"



The following several narrations of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were sent to me by Omar; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:



Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The evil eye is a fact,' and he forbade tattooing. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Dress, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 827)"



Narrated 'Aun bin Abu Juhaifa: "My father bought a slave who practiced the profession of cupping. (My father broke the slave's instruments of cupping). I asked my father why he had done so. He replied, 'The Prophet forbade the acceptance of the price of a dog or blood, and also forbade the profession of tattooing, getting tattooed and receiving or giving Riba, (usury), and cursed the picture-makers.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Sales and Trade, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 299)"



Narrated 'Abdullah: "Allah has cursed those women who practise tattooing and those who get themselves tattooed, and those who remove their face hairs, and those who create a space between their teeth artificially to look beautiful, and such women as change the features created by Allah. Why then should I not curse those whom the Prophet has cursed? And that is in Allah's Book. i.e. His Saying: 'And what the Apostle gives you take it and what he forbids you abstain (from it).' (59.7) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Dress, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 815)"



As you can see, any type of body mutilation or maiming even if it were a small tattoo is clearly prohibited in Islam.



In Islam, we follow the laws of the Noble Quran, and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. If a situation or case is not addressed in neither the Noble Quran, or the Sayings of our beloved Prophet, then we follow the local verdicts of our Religious Authorities, where they would decide based upon the cultural and social situation and causes.



Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:



"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)"



"When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)"



So according to the Noble Verses above, it is a must for us to follow the commands of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, thus in this case, mutilation or maiming of any type to the human body and tattooing are prohibited.

 

[PureLogic]

Riyaz Ahmed Talukdar, a member of Jan Seva Sangh, a local NGO, had first spotted the tattoo on Saba’s back and informed his mother, Shabana Talukdar. Riyaz said, “When I saw the tattoo I was furious as holy words from the Quran were on her back.” Shabana, along with a few other women, then came to the mall in the next 15 minutes and confronted Saba in the washroom.

They slapped the girl several times before the mall management intervened.

Assault (Battery) . In Fiji, Shabana and her cronies would have been booked for assault



Nevertheless, the cops referred the matter to legal experts to see if they could book Saba for hurting religious sentiments or under any other legal provision.

Do you job, cops !! Writing 'thank you God' should not be a crime in a free society. assault causing bodily harm is !

You are very right. There is no crime in writing 'Thank you God' on your back.

But still cops are searching 'if she can be booked because she has hurt the feelings of Muslim society. And many members here love to criticize India for the 'improper behaviour towards Muslims!!

 

[ju87]

I will come to visit again sometime and leave a trail of my beautiful articles around.

Keep the RSS bajrang dal shiv sena and all away though... specially Bal thakeray goes ninja on pakistani and bangladeshis that come there. His people dug up the pitch when our guys went for a little childrens under 18 cricket.

Best leave articles in Canada or someone WILL go ninja on you. As for Bal Thackeray, he'll go ninja on anyone who doesn't speak Marathi. Which is about half the population of Mumbai

 

[haviZsultan]

Are Tattoo's Permitted in Islam?

No they are not. Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon commanded:



Narrated 'Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari: "The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Oppressions, Volume 3, Book 43, Number 654)"



The following several narrations of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were sent to me by Omar; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:



Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The evil eye is a fact,' and he forbade tattooing. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Dress, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 827)"



Narrated 'Aun bin Abu Juhaifa: "My father bought a slave who practiced the profession of cupping. (My father broke the slave's instruments of cupping). I asked my father why he had done so. He replied, 'The Prophet forbade the acceptance of the price of a dog or blood, and also forbade the profession of tattooing, getting tattooed and receiving or giving Riba, (usury), and cursed the picture-makers.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Sales and Trade, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 299)"



Narrated 'Abdullah: "Allah has cursed those women who practise tattooing and those who get themselves tattooed, and those who remove their face hairs, and those who create a space between their teeth artificially to look beautiful, and such women as change the features created by Allah. Why then should I not curse those whom the Prophet has cursed? And that is in Allah's Book. i.e. His Saying: 'And what the Apostle gives you take it and what he forbids you abstain (from it).' (59.7) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Dress, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 815)"



As you can see, any type of body mutilation or maiming even if it were a small tattoo is clearly prohibited in Islam.



In Islam, we follow the laws of the Noble Quran, and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. If a situation or case is not addressed in neither the Noble Quran, or the Sayings of our beloved Prophet, then we follow the local verdicts of our Religious Authorities, where they would decide based upon the cultural and social situation and causes.



Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran:



"O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (The Noble Quran, 4:59)"



"When there comes to them some matter touching (Public) safety or fear, they divulge it. If they had only referred it to the Apostle, or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have Tested it from them (direct). Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of God unto you, all but a few of you would have fallen into the clutches of Satan. (The Noble Quran, 4:83)"



So according to the Noble Verses above, it is a must for us to follow the commands of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, thus in this case, mutilation or maiming of any type to the human body and tattooing are prohibited.

Okay most maulvis and sources say it is haram. Though there are few scholars saying the temporary ones that dont hurt skin and is allowed. There argument:

There argument is based on not the basis of any tattoo that does not hurt the skin, does not alter the pigment or is alcohol based is allowed. They also refer to the fact that Henna is actually defined as a tattoo as well based on it say that pastel, airbrushing is allowed. (Check online)

Mufti Rasheed says its ok while 5 other scholars dont and the vast majority do not encourage it. In any case what is done is done.

In any case All maulvis do state tatoos that:
-hurt the skin is not allowed
-alcohol based ones not allowed
-changing the pigment which tatoos tend to do is -altering yourself in anyway that damages u or changes ur shakal or features is not allowed.

So permanent ones with use of machines would not be allowed that would mean. They used airbrush on me cauz i wanted f4 6 months & had unique shape and it is on outer surface of the skin but then that action would be disputed as well because there are many scholars still against any form of tatooing on the body at all...

So by doing a tatoo i admit that i did not go with the opinions and beliefs of the vast majority but i did not think it was haram so i went for it. In any case the thing is going to go away in 2 months or so...

Anyway who cares same goes with music i guess... and we both have had bands before. I doubt u wud be such a big follower anyway.

 

[Beskar]

Okay most maulvis and sources say it is haram. Though there are few scholars saying the temporary ones that dont hurt skin and is allowed. There argument:

There argument is based on not the basis of any tattoo that does not hurt the skin, does not alter the pigment or is alcohol based is allowed. They also refer to the fact that Henna is actually defined as a tattoo as well based on it say that pastel, airbrushing is allowed. (Check online)

Mufti Rasheed says its ok while 5 other scholars dont and the vast majority do not encourage it. In any case what is done is done.

In any case All maulvis do state tatoos that:
-hurt the skin is not allowed
-alcohol based ones not allowed
-changing the pigment which tatoos tend to do is -altering yourself in anyway that damages u or changes ur shakal or features is not allowed.

So permanent ones with use of machines would not be allowed that would mean. They used airbrush on me cauz i wanted f4 6 months & had unique shape and it is on outer surface of the skin but then that action would be disputed as well because there are many scholars still against any form of tatooing on the body at all...

So by doing a tatoo i admit that i did not go with the opinions and beliefs of the vast majority but i did not think it was haram so i went for it. In any case the thing is going to go away in 2 months or so...

Anyway who cares same goes with music i guess... and we both have had bands before. I doubt u wud be such a big follower anyway.

You're simply not willing to agree that you went through a procedure which you didn't had any knowledge about from your religious belief's point of view. Were you having a hard time fitting in with the rest of the lot? Hmm. And now you're here, Justifying your petty little position, simply because you felt it wasn't important to ask a few questions on the said matter.

I already told you on a "PM" that I've answered all your Inquires and it would be appreciated if you reply to me over there. But since you're willing to keep supporting your "Denial" over here, I wouldn't waste any more time with you.
As I said in the "PM", You asked a question, And I answered. Rest is your own personal opinion. To each his own I suppose.

 

[haviZsultan]

You're simply not willing to agree that you went through a procedure which you didn't had any knowledge about from your religious belief's point of view. Were you having a hard time fitting in with the rest of the lot? Hmm. And now you're here, Justifying your petty little position, simply because you felt it wasn't important to ask a few questions on the said matter.

I already told you on a "PM" that I've answered all your Inquires and it would be appreciated if you reply to me over there. But since you're willing to keep supporting your "Denial" over here, I wouldn't waste any more time with you.
As I said in the "PM", You asked a question, And I answered. Rest is your own personal opinion. To each his own I suppose.

Dude whats wrong with you? I posted the same thing i said in the message there. I did not ask any question. I provided opinion and u provided urs. Debate is the purpose of defence.pk

Yep to each his own. I dont think its haram u think it is... end of story... khali wali... everyone goes to sleep now. Long day is'nt it?

In any case the thread was for the discussion of what a Pakistani woman that landed up in India for some reason making herself bait to mass Indian terrorism not even thinking about how purohit could have decided to slip RDX into her bedroom. Moreover she could be framed as an ISI agent.

 

[Yoni Tantra]

In any case the thread was for the discussion of what a Pakistani woman that landed up in India for some reason making herself bait to mass Indian terrorism not even thinking about how purohit could have decided to slip RDX into her bedroom. Moreover she could be framed as an ISI agent.

Uncalled for comments.

 

[donrahul]

One thing which i would like to mention in this thread. Apart from the fact that the citizenry in the mall were brutal and resorted to vigilante punishment for the girl who seemed to have flouted the laws of the Holy religion, I see a trend here in this discussion. One of the first reactions here was how the female could have used put such a tattoo on her back. Although I agree that it has ruffled feathers, One observes that posters percieve this as Haraam and it is wrong according to Islamic Law. I mean, no sympathy for the victim as such. rather there is a heated discussion on whether the actionwas being within the scope of the guidelines given by the Holy Quran. This being a tendency which I have not seen in other religions. Religion comes in the forefront, even pushing aside humanity. Would someone out there give a concrete reason as to why this is more common in Islam? The tendency to put religion in the forefront and putting all things aside!