We do not want to be described as a NATO ally,India shoots down US secrecy pact

[Sankpal]

Really great....

We should maintain good relationship with US and most trusted friend Russia

 

[Ryuzaki]

Really great....

We should good relationship with US and most trusted from Russia

Why is Russia more "trusted"?Russia has "stabbed India in the back" much more than USA,and is slowly turning into a client state of China(maybe not what they want,but they have no choice).Both are ultimately stepping stones in the journey to acheive our aim,which will clash with USA in the medium-to-long term/.

 

[Zen0]

Obviously, we are the founding fathers of N.A.M

 

[Śakra]

Obviously, we are the founding fathers of N.A.M

Let me guess, you’re South Indian? We North Indians call India our MOTHER from the days of the Ramayan and Mahabharata.

 

[Sankpal]

Why is Russia more "trusted"?Russia has "stabbed India in the back" much more than USA,and is slowly turning into a client state of China(maybe not what they want,but they have no choice).Both are ultimately stepping stones in the journey to acheive our aim,which will clash with USA in the medium-to-long term/.

Just like India is trying to balance bwbetwe west and Russia.. the same way, Russia is trying to balance between china and india.

So what's wrong?

As per Russian requirements, they need badly money and good business. China is in well position to fullfill compare to India.

I don't see anything wrong here. I am saying trusted friend because Russia will not do and allow to do anything against India. She might be silent between china and India issue but we need to understand that.

Unlike US, it is very very less chance that Russia will dump you at anytime

 

[ADITYA MAYUKH]

you will get your answer here.

 

[Zen0]

Let me guess, you’re South Indian? We North Indians call India our MOTHER from the days of the Ramayan and Mahabharata.

Motherland is a common phrase all over the world , not unique to north or south .

India is called the founding father of Nam in our government websites , but the context is in reference to Nehru

 

[Sharky]

Let me guess, you’re South Indian? We North Indians call India our MOTHER from the days of the Ramayan and Mahabharata.

Shows that you are one of the low IQ indians from the north, from not being able to understand a simple and commonly used phrase.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Yeah right...Russians and the Chinese. Lol.

It is for a reason we did not join the silk route. Not we want to be non NATO ally. All are traps in different words.

I'm not saying we should comply with their strategic plans but we should build a better cooperation with those countries on an economic scale but should be cautious with our guard up at all times and should act autonomously with complete independent policies based on our self interests when it comes to strategic partnerships/policies and Russia would always be a relatively better partner than the US in terms of defense procurement

 

[fitpOsitive]

NEW DELHI: India has shot down a US proposal for an “umbrella” communications secrecy pact to maintain a distinction with the US’ NATO allies but it has also requested Washington DC to examine an “ideal” cross-posting of army, navy and air force officers at its Central and Pacific Commands, the two theatres that largely determine military-to-military relations.

“The US will have to tailor the arrangements”, a highly-placed security official said, emphasizing the word, and explaining Indian policy to The New Indian Express on Wednesday. “We do not want to be described as a NATO ally”. Famously, President George Bush (the second) had described Pakistan as a Major Non-Nato Ally (MNNA) in 2004.

Proposals for more mechanisms in the defence relationship have been renewed in weeks leading to the first joint meeting of the foreign and defence ministers of the two countries likely in April. The Indian defence and foreign secretaries have recently concluded talks with their counterparts in the run-up to the inaugural ‘2+2’ ministerial.

“We will seek equipment-specific pacts,” the official said. He also went on to explain what that means after describing the importance of having liaison officers of all the services of the militaries in the US’ Central Command (CENTCOM) and the Pacific Command (PACOM), headquartered in Hawaii, that covers the rest of Asia and what is increasingly called the Indo-Pacific.

The area of responsibility of CENTCOM, headquartered in Tampa, Florida, in the US, covers Pakistan, Afghanistan and the rest of West Asia including the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Aden.

Though it has been of India’s interest to interact with CENTCOM, India-US military-to-military relations are the responsibility of PACOM at the theatre-level. Centcom and Pacom are only two of the US’s unified military combatant commands that span the globe. Pacom is the largest.

Explaining the significance of COMCASA, the official said “we might find it restrictive but a NATO ally of the US may not view it as such”.

The Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) is a re-naming of what was the Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA). The US agreed the change of nomenclature as an exception to make it India-specific. A change in nomenclature was also agreed by the US to the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) that was signed in 2016 after more than a decade of negotiations and was renamed the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA).

But the official in the security establishment says that New Delhi does not favour an agreement that will cover all military platforms, equipment and components that India could source from the US that may compromise information. At the same time, India recognized that ‘non-disclosure’ clauses were part of many contracts. The US insists that signing such arrangements will enable the sale or transfer of advanced military technologies to India.

Instead, the official said, it may be more prudent for India and the US to go the path of an End-User Verification Arrangement that was agreed in the past.

US’ military leaders describe the CISMOA, the EUMA, a Basic Cooperation Agreement on Geospatial Arrangements as “foundational documents” on which rest the US’ military alliances.

In New Delhi, the view is that these arrangements are from a time and context that have changed since the Cold War when countries of the US-led NATO and the erstwhile Soviet Union-led Warsaw Pact were eyeball-to-eyeball. NATO still operates while the Warsaw Pact was disbanded.

Current relations need to reflect that changed context, the official explained to TNIE. Instead of an arrangement that will cover all military transfers, India could consider “freezing a standard text” and then making that equipment and country-specific. That was roughly the process followed for the EUMA over years that India could otherwise find intrusive.

Under US law, inspectors from the Pentagon are required from to verify that military equipment exported from the US were being used for the purposes they were meant.


http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...aintain-distinction-with-latters-1793975.html

Good shot India. There is no point in getting shot for others, for no purpose.
Yeh waqt Firangion k chungal se nikalny ka hai.

 

[cloud4000]

America is our dushman. We’ll never forget 1971.

It was during the Cold War and India wasn't exactly America's best friend either. Nehru was virulently anti-American and positioned India's foreign policy in that direction until the Soviet Union collapsed. Ancient history, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[somebozo]

US has had it easy with Japan and Germany(which it defeated) and other smaller countries,with India it will have to change many of its defence and security related rules and regulations.

Going by your theory, we should also have easy time with Afghanistan, people we defeated recently.
And Indians whom be defeated and occupied centuries ago!

 

[Daghalodi]

Yes!!! India has a very strong foreign policy!!! Hats off to you guys

 

[oOo]

Going by your theory, we should also have easy time with Afghanistan, people we defeated recently.
And Indians whom be defeated and occupied centuries ago!

Except you lot are same Indians who got defeated and the one who defeated us. Perhaps you will find it even harder considering the inherited weakness in you for which you fall for the crusaders religion which came and killed you enmasse.

 

[T-Rex]

NEW DELHI: India has shot down a US proposal for an “umbrella” communications secrecy pact to maintain a distinction with the US’ NATO allies but it has also requested Washington DC to examine an “ideal” cross-posting of army, navy and air force officers at its Central and Pacific Commands, the two theatres that largely determine military-to-military relations.

“The US will have to tailor the arrangements”, a highly-placed security official said, emphasizing the word, and explaining Indian policy to The New Indian Express on Wednesday. “We do not want to be described as a NATO ally”. Famously, President George Bush (the second) had described Pakistan as a Major Non-Nato Ally (MNNA) in 2004.

Proposals for more mechanisms in the defence relationship have been renewed in weeks leading to the first joint meeting of the foreign and defence ministers of the two countries likely in April. The Indian defence and foreign secretaries have recently concluded talks with their counterparts in the run-up to the inaugural ‘2+2’ ministerial.

“We will seek equipment-specific pacts,” the official said. He also went on to explain what that means after describing the importance of having liaison officers of all the services of the militaries in the US’ Central Command (CENTCOM) and the Pacific Command (PACOM), headquartered in Hawaii, that covers the rest of Asia and what is increasingly called the Indo-Pacific.

The area of responsibility of CENTCOM, headquartered in Tampa, Florida, in the US, covers Pakistan, Afghanistan and the rest of West Asia including the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Aden.

Though it has been of India’s interest to interact with CENTCOM, India-US military-to-military relations are the responsibility of PACOM at the theatre-level. Centcom and Pacom are only two of the US’s unified military combatant commands that span the globe. Pacom is the largest.

Explaining the significance of COMCASA, the official said “we might find it restrictive but a NATO ally of the US may not view it as such”.

The Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA) is a re-naming of what was the Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA). The US agreed the change of nomenclature as an exception to make it India-specific. A change in nomenclature was also agreed by the US to the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA) that was signed in 2016 after more than a decade of negotiations and was renamed the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA).

But the official in the security establishment says that New Delhi does not favour an agreement that will cover all military platforms, equipment and components that India could source from the US that may compromise information. At the same time, India recognized that ‘non-disclosure’ clauses were part of many contracts. The US insists that signing such arrangements will enable the sale or transfer of advanced military technologies to India.

Instead, the official said, it may be more prudent for India and the US to go the path of an End-User Verification Arrangement that was agreed in the past.

US’ military leaders describe the CISMOA, the EUMA, a Basic Cooperation Agreement on Geospatial Arrangements as “foundational documents” on which rest the US’ military alliances.

In New Delhi, the view is that these arrangements are from a time and context that have changed since the Cold War when countries of the US-led NATO and the erstwhile Soviet Union-led Warsaw Pact were eyeball-to-eyeball. NATO still operates while the Warsaw Pact was disbanded.

Current relations need to reflect that changed context, the official explained to TNIE. Instead of an arrangement that will cover all military transfers, India could consider “freezing a standard text” and then making that equipment and country-specific. That was roughly the process followed for the EUMA over years that India could otherwise find intrusive.

Under US law, inspectors from the Pentagon are required from to verify that military equipment exported from the US were being used for the purposes they were meant.


http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...aintain-distinction-with-latters-1793975.html

I think india can get pretty much get everything from the US with the help of the Zionist state of isreal without giving anything substantial in return.