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We cross Himalayas for education: Tibetan students

Sunday, August 05, 2007
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Chennai: Some 160 Tibetan refugee students in colleges of Chennai, however, have a question for the Indian media: why does it say that China is educating Tibetans?


They were taking objection to recent articles in a section of the press here commending the Chinese record in providing free and compulsory education to children school-going age.


Teachers of Madras University, who joined the meeting organised by the Tibetan Students' Association of Madras, had no answer for the question.


"Every year, nearly 2,000 Tibetan children come to India walking across the Himalayas. Why do they take such risks, if education is all that good in Tibet," asked Lhakpa Tsering, the association's cultural secretary, speaking to media.


Sonam Wangdue left Tibet when he was just 13. He walked into Nepal one dark night, leaving behind six brothers and his doting mother, who braved separation to get at least one of her sons into India for studies.


The 24-year-old is now in an M.A (communications) class in the Madras Christian College.


"If I can, I will go back to Tibet", he said, a distant look in his eyes. Could he get a communications expert's job in Tibet? "Probably not, I will become a labourer if I go back," he smiled
Media reports, based on officially hosted trips to China, claimed that 96.5 percent of
children in Tibet were going to school.


R. Manivannan, associate professor at Madras University, however, noted: "UNICEFexecutive director Carol Bellamy has said that only 31 percent of children in Tibet have access to compulsory, nine-year education."


He added that the UN Human Development Report on China had listed "literacy in Tibet as the lowest in all China" and that "children in Tibet's impoverished regions are still without basic schooling".



A statement from the refugee students said: "Almost all centuries-old Tibetan learning hubs have been destroyed. The scholars, intellectuals, the repositories of Tibet's rich religious, philosophical and literary heritage have been purged."


The Sera monastery had 8,000 monk-scholars, now it has 300; Drepung which had 10,000 now has just 400; and Gaden which had 5,600 now has 200 scholars.


Students alleged that China was "consistently introducing karoke bars, discotheques and brothels" in the Tibetan plateau "known for its spirituality".

India is home to the Dalai Lama, who fled his homeland in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese communist rule, as well as some 100,000 Tibetans, many of whom came with their spiritual leader.


http://content.msn.co.in/News/National/NationalIANS_050807_0952.htm


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I suggest the call center captain go back to China vs India in aeronautics where you're probably less embarrassed. you know what, according to UNDP report on human development, the state of indian education is such a disaster. dont put up this kind of BS which makes only yourself ashamed.

ask your AP Manivannan where did he find out context about literacy in Tibet in UN's HDR.

comparing the HDI values for the year 2002 for the nine countries with those calculated for all developing countries ut together, india has a value lower than the developing-country average. In face , China,Malaysia, Thailand and Sri Lanka record figures that are higher than even the average HDI value for the world as a whole.

Adult Literacy rate
China 90.0
india 61.3

Combined primary,secondary and tertiary gross enrolment ratio
China 68
India 55

Education index
China 0.83
india 0.59

Rank out of 177 countries
Malaysia 59
Thailand 76
China 94
India 127
indonesia 111
Sri lanka 96
Vietnam 112
Mongolia 117


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According to UNICEF data, China,Malaysia and Vietnam are significant performers in the target pertaining to the indicator "net enrolment ratio",though there are marginal reversals of past achievement. China and Malaysia are also close to achieving the target for the indicator proportion of children reaching grade5, closely followed by Srilanka and Thailand.

Net enrolment ratio in primary education
Malaysia 95.2
China 94.6
Vietnam 94.0
indonesia 92.1
mongolia 86.6
Thailand 86.3
india 82.8

National figures suggest that progress in some countries has indeed been remarkable. the net primary school enrolment rate(NER) in China was reportedly raised from 98per cent in 1990 to 99 per cent in 2000. Meanwhile the NER of secondary schools was raised from 75 per cent in 1900 to 95 per cent in 2000. youth above 15 years of age received 7.85 years of education in 2000, which was much longer than the 5.33 years estimated for 1983.

however, the picture is not the same everywhere. india's record on the educational advancement front after five-and-a-half decades of independence is indeed poor. the slow rates of improvement in literacy and education for both men and women remain major failures of the indian development process. India still contains the largest number of illiterate people in the world, and also the largest number of illiterate women. According to the Census of India, the literacy rate did rise from 43.57 per cent to 52.21 per cent between 1981 and 1991 and touched 65.38 per cent in 2001. Further, the literacy requirement is set so low that, in most cases, being literate would be inadequate to be competment enough to become digitally literate. A minimum of school education would be a prerequisite beyond a point. here too the picture is dismal. To quote the Public Report on Basic Education in India, "at the time of the 1991 Census and the National Family Health Survey(1992-3):

* half of the country's population(61 per cent of women and 36 percent of men aged seven and above) was unable to read and write.

*only 30 per cent of all adults had completed eight years of schooling.

*one-third of all children aged six to 14 years (about 23 million boys and 36 million girls) were out of school."

Proportion of pupils starting grade1 and reaching grade 5
China 97.3% and 98% in 2000
India 62% and 59% in 1999

this implies that in the latter period more than one in every five Indian children in the 6 to 14 age group was not attending school.

Further, the proportion of pupils starting grade 1 who reach grade 5, or persistence to grade5 (measured as percentage of cohort reaching grade5), is estimated at a virtually stagnant 59 per cent in 1993 and 60 per cent in 1998. Official figures of the drop-out rate for 197-98 in the class I-V category was 39.38 per cent, in the class I-VII category was 54.14 per cent and in the class I-X category was 69.33 per cent. Thus there appears to be little progress towards achieving the goal of a full course of primary schooling for children by 2015.

thus I feel extremely grateful that india has been devoting itself to education on Chinese tibetan, while letting its own population way illiterate.
 
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I suggest the call center captain go back to China vs India in aeronautics. you know what, according to UNDP report on human development, the state of indian education is such a disaster. dont put up this kind of BS which makes only yourself ashamed.

ask your AP Manivannan where did he find out context about literacy in Tibet in UN's HDR.

comparing the HDI values for the year 2002 for the nine countries with those calculated for all developing countries ut together, india has a value lower than the developing-country average. In face , China,Malaysia, Thailand and Sri Lanka record figures that are higher than even the average HDI value for the world as a whole.

Adult Literacy rate
China 90.0
india 61.3

Combined primary,secondary and tertiary gross enrolment ratio
China 68
India 55

Education index
China 0.83
india 0.59

Rank out of 177 countries
Malaysia 59
Thailand 76
China 94
India 127
indonesia 111
Sri lanka 96
Vietnam 112
Mongolia 117




thus I feel extremely grateful that india has been devoting itself to education on Chinese tibetan, while letting its own population way illiterate.

Congratulations to China. :tup:

However, that still doesn't prove anything.

We all know what happens in Tibet, so don't give us Chinese literacy rates.

Its not gonna stop Tibetans from crossing the HIMALAYAS(wow) to escape organized Chinese torture.
 
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why some of the Tibetans used to go to india via Nepal for education?

India is the origin of Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism, therefore traditionally the nation of India maintains a spirit of worship and yearning among Tibetan people. Geographically, India is more convenient and quicker to arrive at than inland China. if you're well educated, you may know there's a narrow mountain pass named zhangmu, which connecting China directly with Nepal. few steps through the border bridge will send you out of Tibet over to Nepal visa free.
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I've been there 2 times and once toured over to Nepal, a following journey to india is kinda explanate if you want. it's obviously exaggerated to speak of "crossing himalayas for education".

During the late Qing Dynasty and the Republic of China era, Tibetan officials even made a detour via india to the centrol goverment of China, which was much faster than going directly from Tibet to the inland China. Before 1950, most of Tibet's trade were with India, children of nobles went to indian schools, even postmen would take india as their favorite transit depot. and as a customary action in early last century, when there were risks the first place dignitaries would think of was India.

When Dalai Lama fled Tibet for India he took almost 100 thousand Tibetan adherent with him by disseminating rumors that PLA would take their lives in no time. anyway India never means a home to him except a flaring death bed, but numerous relatives of the outgoing might still find it more favorable or convenient to go to indian schools, despite the sharply improved educational condition in Tibet since the establishment of PRC.
 
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Before the peaceful liberation in 1951, school enrolment in Tibet was no more than 3,000 at its highest. Serfs and slaves, who formed more than 95 percent of the Tibetan population, were deprived of the right to receive education. The attendance rate of school-age children was less than 2 percent.
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Students of the Japanes Language Tour Guides Department of Tibet University talking

Educational practice was based on monastic, official and private education, with the monastic education being the dominant form. Lamas were teachers, Buddhist scriptures were textbooks, and students were trained to be monks. Official education was based on two schools run by the then Gaxag government, one (Zelhazha) for training monk officials and the other (Zekanglhazha) for training lay officials. There was a medical and astrological school (Moinzekanglhazha), which was also official-run.

The lay official school was not a pure school, but an organ in the Gaxag government in charge of auditing and management of lay officials that also oversaw their training. Its purpose was to teach the Tibetan language, mathematics and accounting knowledge. It normally had some 20 students, who had to come from noble families.

Private schools were mainly found in such cities as Lhasa, Xigaze, Zetang and Gyangze, but not in agricultural and pastoral areas. Lhasa comparatively had more schools. Before the peaceful liberation, it had 20 or so private schools, the most famous one being Darkanglhazha.

Modern Education

In 1952, Tibet saw the establishment of the first school in modern sense---the Lhasa Primary School. Thereafter, primary schools were set up one after another in Qamdo, Xigaze and some other places. At the end of 1958, Tibet had 13 government-run primary schools, enrolling more than 2,600 pupils.
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Many children like this one in Tibet have gone back to school with funding from the Tibet Project Hope.

Up to 1965, the number of government-run primary schools in Tibet rose to more than 1,800, with an enrolment of 66,000. The region also had four regular middle schools and a teachers'school, with more than 1,500 students. Tibet's first institution of higher learning, the Tibet Ethnic College, had more than 3,000 students.

In 1984, the Central Government held the Second National Conference on Work in Tibet, with a special focus on educational matters in the region. It was decided during the conference that teaching in schools in the region should be based on the Tibetan language and teaching contents should be adapted to Tibetan economic and cultural developments. It also decided that three Tibetan middle schools and 16 Tibetan classes would be established in 19 other provinces and municipalities directly under the Central Government.

In the same year, Tibet University was founded. With the establishment of the Tibetan Medical College in September 1989, the region had four institutions of higher learning. The Education Commission of the Tibet Autonomous Region explicitly stipulates that the four schools of higher learning must admit Tibetan students.

By 2000, Tibet had 4,361 schools of different types. They included four institutions of higher learning---Tibet University, Tibet Ethnic College, Tibet Institute of Agriculture and Animal Husbandry and Tibetan Medical College. There were also 16 secondary vocational and polytechnic schools specializing in such specialties as teachers'training, agriculture and animal husbandry, finance and economics, physical culture, arts, and posts and telecommunications, more than 90 middle schools and 4,251 primary schools including those run by villages. There were more than 300,000 students in these schools, a majority of them being Tibetan or from other ethnic minority groups. Tibet has also established more than 100 secondary vocational schools jointly with 26 provinces and municipalities, with 13,000 Tibetan students studying in various parts of China.
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Prof. Dainba Raodain tutoring students how to paint tangka.

Support From the Central Government

Since the 1980s, the Central Government has substantially increased investment in the modern education in Tibet and granted many special preferential policies. They include:

· Free education, under which the Government pays the tuition fees of ethnic Tibetan students from primary school through college;

· Supplying food, clothing and accommodation free of charge to some ethnic Tibetan primary and secondary students and establishing boarding schools in rural areas;

· Gradually introducing a student grant and scholarship system in primary and secondary schools at and above the township level;

· Local ethnic groups constituting the chief proportion of enrolment in schools of various types and at all levels; and

· Provinces and municipalities directly under the Central Government with good conditions running Tibetan middle schools and Tibetan classes and offering special treatment to Tibetan students in their studies and livelihood.

The development of modern education led to higher level of eductation people of various ethnic groups in Tibet received . The high school and clolege educational levels per 100 Tibetans expanded 1.92 and 2.07 times respectively from 1982 to 2000. The situation with regard to the Tibetan, Moinba and Lhoba ethnic groups is the same as that of the overall regional level. There is an increase in the Proportion of lettered people among every 100 Tibetans: The increase is 19.64 percentage points for the Tibetans, 26.31 percentage points for the Moinbas and 27.04 percentage points for the Lhobas. At the same time, the increase was 8.67 percentage points for the Han in Tibet. Yet, the Hui saw a drop of 7.37 percentage points.

The development of modern education in Tibet also helps reduce illiteracy in the region. The illitercay among people aged 15 and older decreased to 950,600 in 2000. The number of unlettered adults in various parts of Tibet dropped to varying degrees in the 1990-2000 period. Those whose decrease was higher than the regional average of 22 percentage points include Xigaze, Shannan, Nyingchi and Lhada, respectively being 26.07 percentage points, 25 percentage points, 25.24 percentage points and 24.07 percentage points. Ngari and Qamdo enjoyed a decrease rate of 13.88 percetage points and 14.33 percentage points respectively. However, the illiteracy rate in 2000 was 38 percent higher than the national average of 9.08 percent. (namely the adult literacy rate of Tibetan in 2000 is 62%, even slightly higher than that of Indians in 2002!) . That among people aged 15-49 and that of childbearing women stayed at 40.86 percent (29.5 percent for men) and 53.02 percent respectively.

The number of unlettered farmers and herders made up 89.31 percent of the total number of illiterate people in Tibet in 2000. The age of iliterate people was 90.44 percent for men and 88.66 percent for women respectively.

Teaching in Tibetan Language Stressed

In Tibet, most classes in primary schools are taught in Tibetan. However, it still needs a while (for instance, in training of qualified teachers, and compilation and translation of textbooks) to teach mathematics, physics and chemistry in Tibetan in schools at and above the junior middle school level.

Therefore, these schools currently conduct their teaching activities in four formats: first, offering Tibetan and Chinese language courses, with all other courses being taught in Tibetan; second, teaching some classes in Chinese and others in Tibetan; third, offering Tibetan language class, with all other classes taught in Chinese; and fourth, teaching the entire curriculum in Chinese.

According to the requirements of the regional government, graduates of senior middle schools should be familiar with both Tibetan and Chinese languages. Foreign language classes are offered in schools above junior middle school level that have proper conditions.

The Tibetan middle schools and Tibetan classes in certain provinces and municipalities directly under the Central Government all offer Tibetan language classes for junior middle school curriculum, taught by Tibetan teachers designated by the autonomous region. They independently plan their courses according to the national teaching program for regular middle schools and allowing for the actual conditions of Tibetan students.
 
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01/26/07 Embassy of PRC in US

The Chinese government will continue to assist education in Tibet and help train more people to guarantee the prosperity and stability of the region, top political advisor Jia Qinglin said Jan.26.

The government would stick to the policy of boosting the fast, coordinated and healthy development of education in the Tibet Autonomous Region, with an emphasis on both self-development and assistance from the central government, Jia told a national conference.

In the past 20 years, 28 schools in 20 provinces and municipalities opened classes for Tibetans, more than 90 higher education institutions and 53 key high schools received short-term Tibetan students, educating and training a total of 14,000 people.

Meanwhile, the funds collected from China's provinces and municipalities to assist Tibetan education reached 576 million yuan (74 million U.S. dollars), and more than 2,000 teachers and officials were sent to work in Tibet, Jia said.

The number of on-campus students in Tibet had reached 530,000, almost triple the number in 1985. The illiteracy rate among adults had dropped below 10 percent from 69.34 percent in 1990.

"Practice has proven that education assistance tallies with the reality of Tibet and reflects the fundamental interests of the people of all ethnic groups in the region, which has left and will continue to leave a major, lasting influence on regional development and stability," said Jia, chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC).

"Education should serve ethnic unity and national unification, and promote the development of Tibet," he said.

Other provinces and cities should allocate special funds to support needy Tibetan students in completing high school courses, and set training tasks for teachers and management staff dispatched to Tibet.

The Ministry of Education should help improve the working conditions of Tibetan educational institutions, he added.
 
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kvLin, I've really been impressed with the efficiency of the Chinese government...
You've definitely got some smart folks up there!

This is actually the debate of the Century: i.e. Which form of government will succeed?
Democracy or a Communist single party system?


What do the people here think?

I've started a new thread for this topic.
 
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Congratulations to China. :tup:

However, that still doesn't prove anything.

We all know what happens in Tibet, so don't give us Chinese literacy rates.

Its not gonna stop Tibetans from crossing the HIMALAYAS(wow) to escape organized Chinese torture.

Now listen,I'm deeply aware of problems in China though she has achieved a lot to keep Tibetans in equal development. while India is by no means a decent sample in human deveploment for China though I have enough respect for this neighbor country.

bias does not make any sense when human development is a common desire for both countires. so, get your people fed, then care abut "Chinese torture".
 
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Now listen,I'm deeply aware of problems in China though she has achieved a lot to keep Tibetans in equal development. while India is by no means a decent sample in human deveploment for China though I have enough respect for this neighbor country.

bias does not make any sense when human development is a common desire for both countires. so, get your people fed, then care abut "Chinese torture".

Yeah..I got a bit carried away there:lol:

However, China is known for using various methods to keep its population submissive. Don't deny that.
Its inevitable because of the kind of government you have.
 
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kvLin, I've really been impressed with the efficiency of the Chinese government...
You've definitely got some smart folks up there!

This is actually the debate of the Century: i.e. Which form of government will succeed?
Democracy or a Communist single party system?


What do the people here think?

I've started a new thread for this topic.

Well it indeed belongs to another topic but I'd like to brief it for you instant awareness.

IMO, one party system is sure to make social supervision powerless, I prefer democracy and that's why I myself refused to join the CPC.
the conversion process could be very long coz the CPC government has achieved so much to benefit the whole nation. It's like public opinions during elections in democratic states--you see no justification to vote otherwise when the ruling party is doing well.
 
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Thats exactly what I want to find out..i.e....what are the reasons for the success of the Chinese government.

Logically, such governments should eventually fail one way or the other.
 
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Well it indeed belongs to another topic but I'd like to brief it for you instant awareness.

IMO, one party system is sure to make social supervision powerless, I prefer democracy and that's why I myself refused to join the CPC.
the conversion process could be very long coz the CPC government has achieved so much to benefit the whole nation. It's like public opinions during elections in democratic states--you see no justification to vote otherwise when the ruling party is doing well.

Yeah..if the government has achieved runaway success, then the people find no reason to protest.

However IMO...at some point of time, the government will definitely face protest.(Unless of course, the government continues its revolutionary success rate forever.) So in the long run...there is bound to be unrest...
 
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Thats exactly what I want to find out..i.e....what are the reasons for the success of the Chinese government.

Logically, such governments should eventually fail one way or the other.

conceptualized thought doesn't prove well.

Logically the world biggest democracy of yours should've been leading over China in almost every field.
logically the one party country like Singapore should've collapsed before it enrolled into world's developed country club.

why all these not happening? everyone has his own behoove.
 
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