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[Contrarian]

Learn to distinguish between "Hindu" and "Indian".

She cant. Its hard to not interchange a country's foundation and a religion from where she comes from.

 

[Spring Onion]

Is Indian press free or was ever free ? I think the thread started quoting Indian newspaper wonder why such thought did not arise before about Indian press.

Syed Shah Gilani is a know Indian hater and has been blabbering about Kashmir merged with Pakistan since long Did someone wonder why he has been able to do so? Where is so called 700,000 army doing with Guns ??? .

With growing Media globalization Indian media can not hide things thats for sure..

As far your Army is concerned the 700,000 Indian army has been soaking the Guns in blood of innocent Kashmiris.
They can not afford to kill Gilani, Yasin Malik, Umer Farooq as they know it will be bigger problem for the Indian occupiers in Kashmir. Just look at the assassination of Kashmiri leader Aziz.

Gilani and good for nothing Hurriyat do not have platform to garner support, they got this platform by goof up by Congress party. Now that they have nearly reached agreement this all will fizzle out.

Check out the title post text highlighted in RED, Read how Gilani wants to merge with Pakistan on the basis of Islam. So when members questing how it starts with mosques then Indian secularism is questioned.

about the platform. They were divided earlier thanks to Indian conspiracies now when the Indian Hindu hardliners started targeting Muslims, they come to know that Hindus want to play a new card by turning it into a religious issue. But not bad for the freedom.

The Indians were happy that there was no unrest it was the storm that was in the making. Thanks to hardliners in Hindu political parties, the Kashmiris realized what the Indians are doing in the name of Amarnath shrine board.

 

[Spring Onion]

She cant. Its hard to not interchange a country's foundation and a religion from where she comes from.

Stop your as usual personal attacks.

Forget about my religion or my country and i dont wish for interchanging foundation fo my country with a farce idea of so-called secularizm where Hindutva ideology rules.

Where they burn babri mosque where they burn christians alive and where they brun Muslims in Gujrat.

 

[Contrarian]

Stop your as usual personal attacks.

Forget about my religion or my country and i dont wish for interchanging foundation fo my country with a farce idea of so-called secularizm where Hindutva ideology rules.

Where they burn babri mosque where they burn christians alive and where they brun Muslims in Gujrat.

I am sick and tired of your attacks on India - labeling of citizens of India as Hindu's and following a Hindutva strategy.

There is a distinction b/w India and Hindu's . Follow that.

 

[Spring Onion]

I am sick and tired of your attacks on India - labeling of citizens of India as Hindu's and following a Hindutva strategy.

There is a distinction b/w India and Hindu's . Follow that.

Hindutva ideology is still practiced by VHP, RSS, Bajrandal and other Hindu fanatic groups.

AS far as calling Indian citizens as Hindus well whats wrong in it


If you label majority Pakistanis as Mulsims nothing bad in it its a reality.

 

[Goodperson]

With growing Media globalization Indian media can not hide things thats for sure..

Selective use of Media that too supported by Journalist. Bravo

As far your Army is concerned the 700,000 Indian army has been soaking the Guns in blood of innocent Kashmiris.
They can not afford to kill Gilani, Yasin Malik, Umer Farooq as they know it will be bigger problem for the Indian occupiers in Kashmir. Just look at the assassination of Kashmiri leader Aziz.

Ha ha nobody assassinated Aziz he got shot during curfew. police were under orders.

about the platform. They were divided earlier thanks to Indian conspiracies now when the Indian Hindu hardliners started targeting Muslims, they come to know that Hindus want to play a new card by turning it into a religious issue. But not bad for the freedom.

Conspiracy ? Couldn't you find a better word ? It is part of India.

The Indians were happy that there was no unrest it was the storm that was in the making. Thanks to hardliners in Hindu political parties, the Kashmiris realized what the Indians are doing in the name of Amarnath shrine board.

Ofcourse similar to Pakistan which was happy when there were no Taliban and AQ attacks and BB was alive.

But hey Taliban and AQ are not hindus and hindus don't fund them. (As per your logic Indian=Hindus)

 

[third eye]

That is not what the UN resolutions call for, and it does nothing to get India to agree with a plebiscite and give Kashmiris their rights under the UN resolutions and instrument of accession conditions, which Pakistan is agreed to conducting on its territory, and therefore does not resolve the problem.

Any solution outside of the parameters of the UN resolutions needs to be arrived at through consultations between the two parties.

This is also a territorial dispute for the two countries, and from Pakistan's perspective, how is the dispute resolved by holding a plebiscite only on its territory?

The option of a plebiscite is a condition of the instrument of accession and the UN resolutions.
A resolutions such as that, keeping in mind the wishes of the Kashmiris, would end the largest source of tension in South Asia, and IMO portend much greater cooperation and prosperity as a result, it is therefore one of the best options.

Merely stating somethign is bad hs no value, if you cannot articulate why it is 'the worst'.

Pleas do not rewrite history and to fit your jingoism, and claim to know what the Kashmiris wanted or didn't, since it is your country that has refused to implement a plebiscite as required by the IoA and UN resolutions.

Whether the Kashmiris want to be with Pakistan or not is their decision.

Also please do not generalize an entire country and its people. If you cannot be civil then you have no place here.

Plebisite ?

What about the parts of J&K Pak holds.

After 60 yrs the demography has changed all over... who will validate it ? It is not relevant now.

Why does every one forget that the areas signed by Hari Singh included Buddhist Laddakh, Hindu Jammu & Muslim valley ? Why are all discussions restricted to the valley only ? Is it coz it's covenient to do so ? Why is the hindu & Buddhist population of J&K ignored ?

What about Aksai Chin and the parts ceded to China by Pak ? If Pak can cede parts of J&K to china, quite obviously it does not need any more.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There hasn't been solution since 60 years... if I were a Pakistani statesman and had the power in my hands, I would have "produced" a Free Kashmir Republic, comprising AJK and GB, into the UN. This would have put India on the back foot. The only reason I would do otherwise would be because I fear them being independent.

I disagree - India has refused to implement a plebiscite despite the IoA demanding it and the UNSC resolutions.

If India refuses to implement conditions that are attached to the document that India claims legitimizes its claims to Kashmir, then perhaps nothing is going to shame her into doing the right thing.

The solution is to continue to raise the issue, and I think we are starting to see sentiment against India in Kashmir at a level that has never existed before - whether this will change Indian policy we shall have to wait and see.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Plebisite ?

What about the parts of J&K Pak holds.

After 60 yrs the demography has changed all over... who will validate it ? It is not relevant now.

Why does every one forget that the areas signed by Hari Singh included Buddhist Laddakh, Hindu Jammu & Muslim valley ? Why are all discussions restricted to the valley only ? Is it coz it's covenient to do so ? Why is the hindu & Buddhist population of J&K ignored ?

What about Aksai Chin and the parts ceded to China by Pak ? If Pak can cede parts of J&K to china, quite obviously it does not need any more.

Please read the various threads on Kashmir before repeating the same arguments again.

Limiting the plebiscite to the Kashmir valley is one 'out of the box' solutions that has been proposed - the official position of Pakistan is that the plebiscite be held based on UNSC resolutions, which I believe would cover the entire former princely state.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Leave the personal attacks and denigration of religion out of this please.

If you personally disagree with religion, that is fine - that does not however give you the right to denigrate and insult someones religion.

 

[vish]

AM:

The pre-conditions for the plebiscite were never satisfied by all the three parties: India, Pakistan and China.

The right thing for you to do would be to stop poking us so that the IA can go back to the barracks... The issue is you want what we have so that you can claim to have convincingly defeated us atleast once. Your actions with regard to NA and the land transferred to PRC speak volumes on your intentions vis-a-vis the region.

You are ignoring another shift... all of a sudden my countrymen feel that Kashmiris have been pampered a lot... they want Article 370 to go...

Now do the math... who outnumbers whom?

 

[Contrarian]

Hindutva ideology is still practiced by VHP, RSS, Bajrandal and other Hindu fanatic groups.

So, its their wish, and they would practice it if they want to.

AS far as calling Indian citizens as Hindus well whats wrong in it

Its wrong because India has a sizeable percentage of other communities, and most of the people would identify themselves as Indians, not Hindu's or Christians or Muslims or Budhists.

If you label majority Pakistanis as Mulsims nothing bad in it its a reality.

But i dont, and thats the point. While you maybe comfortable with it, i am not, neither are my countrymen. This country was founded as a secular country and it remains that way.

If you are refering to India as a whole, call them Indians, if you are referring to Hindu's as a sect-please use Hindu's by all means. But learn to make the distinction.

 

[jaison]

She cant. Its hard to not interchange a country's foundation and a religion from where she comes from.

so he is actually a she
i dint know that..

 

[Spring Onion]

So, its their wish, and they would practice it if they want to.

AS far as calling Indian citizens as Hindus well whats wrong in it

The chunkya, Hindutva ideology is their wish no doubt but it is directed against the Muslims. This ideology dosnt not recognize Muslims as part of India.

Its wrong because India has a sizeable percentage of other communities, and most of the people would identify themselves as Indians, not Hindu's or Christians or Muslims or Budhists.

Indeed but Christians or Muslims or Budhists ae not members of Hindu terrorist groups of RSS, Bajrangdal, VHS and others.

But i dont, and thats the point. While you maybe comfortable with it, i am not, neither are my countrymen. This country was founded as a secular country and it remains that way.

If you are refering to India as a whole, call them Indians, if you are referring to Hindu's as a sect-please use Hindu's by all means. But learn to make the distinction.

so-called secularizm where Muslims are not saved from the brutalities of majority Hinuds.

As i said Christians or Muslims or Budhists are not committing attrocities against Muslims nor they are part of the Hindutva ideology so why i should call all Indians as fanatics ??? Rather i do not call even all Indian Hindus as fanatics but if you want me to not call RSS, Bajrangdal and VHP as Hindu fanatics then i cant help, they are.

RSS is inovled in the massacare of Muslims since start.

 

[Contrarian]

The chunkya, Hindutva ideology is their wish no doubt but it is directed against the Muslims. This ideology dosnt not recognize Muslims as part of India.




Indeed but Christians or Muslims or Budhists ae not members of Hindu terrorist groups of RSS, Bajrangdal, VHS and others.



so-called secularizm where Muslims are not saved from the brutalities of majority Hinuds.

As i said Christians or Muslims or Budhists are not committing attrocities against Muslims nor they are part of the Hindutva ideology so why i should call all Indians as fanatics ??? Rather i do not call even all Indian Hindus as fanatics but if you want me to not call RSS, Bajrangdal and VHP as Hindu fanatics then i cant help, they are.

RSS is inovled in the massacare of Muslims since start.

I said, you ought to differentiate between Indians and Hindu's. What the VHP and RSS do is their business, you refer to them as what you want to. But when you refer to India as a whole, use the term Indians and not Hindu's.