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Pakistan’s brazen violation of the line of control (LOC)in Kashmir yesterday, and the even more provocative act of mutilating one of the bodies of the two Indian soldiers killed, is intended to send several messages. Some of it may be related to Pakistan’s internal political dynamics – including the coming elections and the likely change in the Chief of Army Staff – but the core message is to peaceniks in India, including the Prime Minister.

The message is simple: no matter what peace overtures we make, the Pakistani state will be in a permanent state of war till it achieves all its political and military objectives (Kashmir, Khalistan, etc). And it will use fair means and foul – terror, fake currency, et al. Peacetimes will be used to prepare for war – covert or overt.

The problem, though, is with us. When somebody is shouting from the rooftops “I hate you”, how is it that we don’t get the message, and still talk peace? We keep talking about confidence-building measures, when Pakistan has done absolutely nothing to build any kind of confidence in us about its peaceful intentions.



Jaw-jaw may be better than war-war, but jaw-jaw without strategic purpose makes no sense when it is all one-sided. Our jaw-jaw is not an answer to Pakistan’s not-so-covert war-war attitude. After 1971, Pakistan has realised that it can’t win a conventional war with us, but it is preparing for war by every other means possible.

Signals about a shift in Pakistan’s attitudes were available even during Interior Minister Rehman Malik’s visit to Delhi last month, where he made Pakistan’s hostile intentions clear by trying to equate the 26/11 terror attacks with the Babri demolition, and suggested that Kargil martyr Saurabh Kalia – whose bodied was handed over in a mutilated form by the Pakistanis – may have been the victim of inclement weather.

That we have now been handed another mutilated body by Pakistan less than a month after Malik’s insensitive comments shows that we are the fools. We seem to need repeated clouting on the head with a blunt instrument to wake up to the reality that is Pakistan – an enemy state.

Here are six things we should never forget about Pakistan.

One, Pakistan’s reason for existence is anti-India. Unlike India, whose reason for existence is the idea of India (secularism, peace, prosperity, etc), the Pakistani state lives only for the sake of enmity to India. This means the idea of Pakistan is bankrupt beyond enmity to India. Till the Pakistanis – state and people – choose to define themselves positively, there is going to be no peace.

Two, if the idea of Pakistan is non-existent, and the idea of India is what enrages Pakistan, it means two things: the Pakistani state will always prepare for war, and the peaceful pauses are merely meant to give the Pakistanis breathing spaces to recuperate and build their war apparatus against us.

Three, there is no point differentiating between the Pakistani state and its people, which our romantic Aman ki Aasha peace-mongers keep drilling into us. The point of this distinction – between state and people – is meaningless since it is the Indian state that is trying to talk peace with the Pakistani state. It is not negotiating with the Pakistani people directly.

Four, if the idea of India has to win over the non-idea of Pakistan, we have to let them stew in their own juice till the illogic and foolishness of creating a state based on Islam and enmity to India is apparent to all thinking Pakistanis and the ordinary people
. They have to abandon abandon the idea themselves. As things stand, the people could easily fall prey to the violent ideologies of the Pakistani Taliban – and we have to be prepared for the fallout. We should always be ready for Pakistani perfidy – and this means not accepting any peace overtures at face value even if we decide to talk to them for the sake of world opinion.

Five, India must thus always keep the powder dry because Pakistan has always been preparing for a 1,000-year war
. They know that our people have the tendency to forgive and forget Pakistani perfidies a little too quickly. This is why we have never learnt the lessons of 1948, 1965, 1971 and 1999 and 2008 (28/11). Pakistan is counting on the Indian (largely Hindu?) tendency to forget the past and move on even though they themselves will never forget. This is the greatest danger India faces today – our unwillingness to confront the truth of what our enemy is like.

Six, the Pakistanis understand only strength. We have to build our strengths against Pakistan – economically, militarily, and in terms of our terror-fighting capabilities. Till 1971, they underestimated our military strength. Now they underestimate our secularism and economic and strengths. But underpinning it all will be our ability to make Pakistan to pay a price for misadventures. This is what we need to focus on – making them pay.

Two markers will let us know if Pakistan has changed. And these are: the Pakistanis change their constitution to take Islam out of it. If Pakistan becomes truly secular, there is hope for peace. Second, the role of the army is clearly made subordinate to that of the civilian authority in Pakistan. If this happens, we can again begin taking the risk of talking peace with them.

There are other markers – sending the 26/11 plotters to the gallows, etc – but giving MFN status (most favoured nation) status to India or making visas easier are not true markers of a desire for real peace. These are deliberate ploys to lull us to believe that they are thinking peace when they are not. In fact, Pakistan will use freer visas to push more terrorism here.

This is what we should expect from the Pakistani state.


We are fools: 6 things we need to realise about Pakistan | Firstpost
 
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Add 7th point. Stable and developing Pakistan is not in India's interest.No offence.

India's interest or not but what you said is not possible without FOREIGN AID(what javed chaudhry calls "BHEEK") .

The little good days of pakistan are only two FIRST in AYUB regime and SECOND in musharaffs ERA in both times they were dependent on HUGE foreign and american supported aid's .

There economy is growing at WHOOPING 3%(I guess ) these days with america supporting them GOD knows what will happen after 2014 .

also Regarding STABILITY post 2014 prospects are not LOOKING good .
 
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Add 7th point. Stable and developing Pakistan is not in India's interest.No offence.

No I have to disagree. If Pakistan changes its priorities to economic growth and prosperity and looks past the hatred of India it will see India can be useful in this regard and that violence and conflict are pointless. Look at India now it is growing and is devloping growth and economics and buisness is at the forefront of most Indians' minds not war or Pakistan. Same should happen in Pakistan.

Right now India doesn't want to get bogged down in a conflict so may strive clear or any sort of confrontation, and we can see the Chinese are, smartly, of the same view and as these two have growth and prosperity at the forefront of their minds' they are working around their difficulties on the whole.
 
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No I have to disagree. If Pakistan changes its priorities to economic growth and prosperity and looks past the hatred of India it will see India can be useful in this regard and that violence and conflict are pointless. Look at India now it is growing and is devloping growth and economics and buisness is at the forefront of most Indians' minds not war or Pakistan. Same should happen in Pakistan.

Right now India doesn't want to get bogged down in a conflict so may strive clear or any sort of confrontation, and we can see the Chinese are, smartly, of the same view and as these two have growth and prosperity at the forefront of their minds' they are working around their difficulties on the whole.


Give a thought. When USSR backed off from Afghanistan, Pakistan was at their pinnacle (not economically but strategically) . What we got then? Insurgency in Kashmir and Punjab? Kandahar hijack, attack on parliament, Mumbai attack. if you see trend in Pakistan. Nowdays there is instability there and suddenly there is decline in terror attacks. Thats what i am saying.
 
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What about Indian incursion in Pakistan territory a day before? You guys huff and puff, jump around and then do nothing. You cant do anything. Grow balls first to tackle Pakistan. By lying, doing false propaganda, you make yourself more and more irrelevant.

Pakistan protests India

ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Office lodged a strong protest with India on Monday over an “unprovoked attack” on a Pakistani check post at the Line of Control (LoC).
According to Pakistan military, Indian troops crossed the de facto border on Sunday in the Haji Pir Sector and stormed a military check post killing one soldier and injuring another.
The Foreign Office said that it summoned a senior Indian diplomat to hand over a ‘protest note on the unprovoked Indian attack’.
“The Indian Government was strongly urged to take appropriate measures to avoid recurrence of such incidents in the future,” said a foreign office statement after the Indian Deputy High Commissioner was called to the ministry.
An Indian army spokesman in Srinagar denied the incident and said that its troops did not cross the LoC.
Colonel Brijesh Pandey accused the Pakistani military of firing mortar shells into a village in the Uri district, which faces Haji Pir in Azad Kashmir.
“At 3:15am today, Pakistani troops resorted to heavy mortar firing, targeting a village in Uri sector,” Pandey told AFP, adding that the homes of some villagers were damaged. “We retaliated with small arms and the exchange continued for over an hour,” the spokesman said.
He said no Indian troops were hurt but had no information about any Pakistani casualties.
Pakistan and India have fought wars over the disputed region of Kashmir. But relations between the two countries have improved in recent years with the nuclear-armed neighbours seeking to resolve their issues through peaceful means.
There has been a ceasefire at the LoC since 2003, but there were more than 75 ceasefire violations along the LoC in 2012, resulting in the death of eight people. Most of the violations were exchanges of fire between the two sides.
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Love us or Hate us but you cannot Ignore us.:D

@Topic, one would be really fool to think that another country won't take revenge for the death(martyr) of it's soldier. Your soldiers killed 1 Pakistani soldier, Pakistan give you your own treatment to make your generals(sitting in airconditioned rooms munching parathas & planning to take their families to Dubai on next vacation) realize that on india's west there is a country called Pakistan. It is not your eastern border with Bdsh.
 
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Give a thought. When USSR backed off from Afghanistan, Pakistan was at their pinnacle (not economically but strategically) . What we got then? Insurgency in Pakistan and Punjab? Kandahar hijack, attack on parliament, Mumbai attack. if you see trend in Pakistan. Nowdays there is instability there and suddenly there is decline in terror attacks. Thats what i am saying.

Like you said this wasn't the height of them economically but the height of their perceptions of their own power. I am talking about economic prosperity for them. Much of what we see today in Pakistan is directly related to poverty and a lack of economic prosperity-just like the poorest states in India. Suicide bobmbers in Pakistan are purely motivated by relgion or ideology but moslty due to the promise of money for their fammillies. A massive failure of governence and a lack of oppurtunity is leading to this crazy generation in Pakistan. I firmly belive econimoic prosperity coupled with certain major reforms would lead to a marked downturn in violence and calls for conflict with India.


of course those who have the ability to take Pakistan to better places are the ones who benefit the most from the current anarchy and as such are unlikely to be persuaded to do anything positive for their nation.
 
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Violence begets violence. Killing Pakistani soldier is not going to get you flowers. When Indians are not willing to do anything after a Pakistani soldier is killed in an attack, what would keep Pakistanis from taking revenge?

War is not an option, but the way you people talk makes me think that it is a one-sided thinking and one-sided desire for peace.
 
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Pak just need to realize 1 thing India was never our friend and never will be and for indian U killed our 1 jawan and u lost 2
from now Same gone happen 2 u their is saying in punjabi jo patan honda pat lavo :D
 
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Violence begets violence. Killing Pakistani soldier is not going to get you flowers. When Indians are not willing to do anything after a Pakistani soldier is killed in an attack, what would keep Pakistanis from taking revenge?

War is not an option, but the way you people talk makes me think that it is a one-sided thinking and one-sided desire for peace.
Violence/revenge is one thing but mutilating corpses and breaking the Geneva convention is hardly something any rational person can condone.
 
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This article is completely off the mark. It is driven by popular sentiments and not facts. I do not know why these events happened; it could be that because one of their soldiers got killed, they killed two of ours. They mutilated the body, which is Taliban culture and since they are closer to Taliban, some of their soldiers might have similar views as Taliban. (I mean views on how to kill mutilate etc)
Having said that it is incorrect that Pakistan has not done anything and we should not move towards peace. By peace I do not mean become friends (unless if you have good conditions, why not), but try to have a relationship which is not hate. Getting out from hating each other to normalizing relations will take time. Both sides do not trust each other and at a drop of hat some people want to go back to fighting.
Now why I think Pakistan is working towards peace.
After 2008 26/11 attacks terrorist attacks went down considerably. I think Pakistan acted on its side, but what they do is they do not admit it in open. After 26/11 they did took steps that helped us but they never admitted.
I have also heard about news that they do not support Kashmiri terrorist anymore. You can see the effect their too.
So bottom line one of two instances do happen, we did kill one of their soldier too right. But it does not mean we do what this article suggests.
I still think we have a chance to peace and I disagree that Pakistan does not want peace. It maybe that some people their do not want peace but that is same on our side.
 
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Add 7th point. Stable and developing Pakistan is not in India's interest.No offence.

What bullshit.... you may be stupid, immature and chauvinistic, but doesn't mean what you think applies to India. Most Indians do want a stable and developing Pakistan, they just want Pakistan go it's own way and leave India alone. Thats what most Indians think.
 
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