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[padamchen]

lol.. no, but a sense of belonging should be there and it must triumph over other identities otherwise how will you maintain your racial purity.

The only guys who diss racial pride and purity are the ones who are from a people who've lost it.

Cheers, Doc

 

[JohnWick]

The only guys who diss racial pride and purity are the ones who are from a people who've lost it.

Cheers, Doc

Its means nothing!

 

[Yogijaat]

The only guys who diss racial pride and purity are the ones who are from a people who've lost it.

Cheers, Doc

and then they start looking towards central asia, europe, africa and what not in search of their identity.

 

[padamchen]

Its means nothing!

It means nothing to those who don't know who they are or where their lines came from.

Then it becomes we are all humans.

We all came from Africa.

Luada lasoon.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Yogijaat]

Its means nothing!

It means everything to one who has preserved it.

 

[JohnWick]

We all came from Africa.

Seriously!you meam Africa.

It means everything to one who has preserved it.

Nahh in modren space time it really means nothing too important.

 

[Yogijaat]

Seriously!you meam Africa.


Nahh in modren space time it really means nothing too important.

In current space it has become more relevant, a civilzation war is coming, east vs west, white vs non-white, muslims vs non-muslims. You have to pick your side.

 

[JohnWick]

In current space it has become more relevant, a civilzation war is coming, east vs west, white vs non-white, muslims vs non-muslims. You have to pick your side.

Ohh...I thought the dispute between black and white people is settled!

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

The rajputs you find in Pakistan are of non royal lineage, this a big issue in Rajasthana, rajputswith royal lineage don't take others as rajputs.

Tough cookies. Muslim Rajputs are still Rajputs, and there's nothing Indians can do about it.

Secondly, caste/ tribal system is a rigid concept only in Hinduism where inter caste marriage is not allowed

Sounds pretty backwards to me.

racial purity is maintained

You seem to have done a poor job at that considering how much South Asian DNA exists among upper caste Hindus. If they maintained racial purity, they'd only have European blood in them.

They even abhor the thought that a gujjar can be a muslim same for rajputs.

Again, tough cookies.

Please don't let the flame of racial inferiority burn you to a crisp.

Lol get out of here with your racial superiority nonsense, your ancestors literally ran away from Iran and came begging to India for asylum. Not to mention the sibling marriages that were prevalent among your people in those days (which actually explains a few things).

You Indics

You're an Indic as well you idiot. Just because some of your ancestors came from Iran doesn't mean you're Persian anymore than it makes Syeds or Qureshis Arab.

lol.. no, but a sense of belonging should be there and it must triumph over other identities otherwise how will you maintain your racial purity.

Why on earth do you care so much about race? This isn't 456 BC, get with the times.

It means everything to one who has preserved it.

Nobody has preserved it, otherwise they'd be born defective due to all their genes coming from one source.

So you're either seriously disabled or not racially pure.

Pick one. You can't have it both ways.

@Dubious

Salamu Alaykum

Please get rid of the racial supremacist crap on this thread and take action against the idiots promoting it.

The Mughal empire was already crumbling after the death of Aurangzeb largely due to the costs incurred during the war in the Deccan.

No, it was crumbling due to ineffective management.

I am pretty sure it would have turned out differently if Nadir Shah had attacked the Mughals at the Height of Aurangzeb or even Akbar's empire.

No, I definitely think he could have beaten Aurangzeb. But Akbar would certainly be a much more interesting opponent since both were excellent generals, with Akbar himself never losing a battle and making the Mughal Empire the superpower that it was.

Overall, I would say Nadir Shah did not affect South Asian history as much as other figures such as Ahmad Shah Durrani, Chhatrapati Shivaji, Ranjit Singh, Aurangzeb, Tipu Sultan Hyder Ali, and others.

I would have to agree, but he still had a significant effect.

 

[Dubious]

@waz have a look at this thread

If I go through the thread MANY will be warned!

 

[drmeson]

You have done zero ethnic research or human migration study nor can prove anything you say with DNA fact.

Royal bloodline? What on earth is that?



You do realize modern Iranians have no resemblance to ancient Iranians (genetically speaking)

I.e the persians of today are nothing like the people of ancient persia.

That's like saying white British people built stone hedge.

You are either terribly misinformed or you just believe in made up hoaxes. This is the PCA plot of ancient neolithic, iron age Iranians and modern day Iranians. Look how extreme close they are. Nothing has changed in Iran in terms of genotype and phenotypes post Iranian migration from IE steppes into Iranic plateau.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

You are either terribly misinformed or you just believe in made up hoaxes. This is the PCA plot of ancient neolithic, iron age Iranians and modern day Iranians. Look how extreme close they are. Nothing has changed in Iran in terms of genotype and phenotypes post Iranian migration from IE steppes into Iranic plateau.

Source of research paper? I know they used to base their premise on linking Persians with Proto-Indo-Iranians which is flawed.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Tough cookies. Muslim Rajputs are still Rajputs, and there's nothing Indians can do about it.



Sounds pretty backwards to me.



You seem to have done a poor job at that considering how much South Asian DNA exists among upper caste Hindus. If they maintained racial purity, they'd only have European blood in them.



Again, tough cookies.



Lol get out of here with your racial superiority nonsense, your ancestors literally ran away from Iran and came begging to India for asylum. Not to mention the sibling marriages that were prevalent among your people in those days (which actually explains a few things).



You're an Indic as well you idiot. Just because some of your ancestors came from Iran doesn't mean you're Persian anymore than it makes Syeds or Qureshis Arab.



Why on earth do you care so much about race? This isn't 456 BC, get with the times.



Nobody has preserved it, otherwise they'd be born defective due to all their genes coming from one source.

So you're either seriously disabled or not racially pure.

Pick one. You can't have it both ways.

@Dubious

Salamu Alaykum

Please get rid of the racial supremacist crap on this thread and take action against the idiots promoting it.



No, it was crumbling due to ineffective management.



No, I definitely think he could have beaten Aurangzeb. But Akbar would certainly be a much more interesting opponent since both were excellent generals, with Akbar himself never losing a battle and making the Mughal Empire the superpower that it was.



I would have to agree, but he still had a significant effect.

You bring up an interesting perspective about Aurangzeb vs Akbar. It seeks that although powerful, Aurangzeb was more focused on expanding territory at the expense of administrative efficiency. It is also interesting to note that although The mughal under Akbar was a major power able to stand its iwn against Persians, Ottomans, Central Asians, and even Europeans, Akbar avoided wars with the deccan based Vijayanagar empire and even caled vijayanagar the most powerful state in south asia. He even allied with small rajput states, which shows the real story of medevil south asia is more nuanced than the traditional hindu vs muslim narrative.

BTW, i have nothing against akbar and aurangzeb. Although i disagree with some of aurangzeb's actions, no one is perfect. I admire his leadership and believed he genuinely cared about south asia. He did make a kistake by trying to conquer the deccan though. ultimately, going beyond limits and internal conflicts caused by poor administration is the main cause of the decline of empires going all the way to the romans. It was the cause of the decline of mughals as well as guptas and marathas. It seems like many empires make the same mistakes.


As for the genetic stuff well muslim rajputs made the choice to convert generations ago, and hindu rajputs have chosen to preserve their ancient culture and heritage. None of that is changing so there is no point discussing that. And no one is genetically "pure." I definitely condemn Yogijitt for some of his insensitive remarks.

Thank you for a productive discussion.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

which shows the real story of medevil south asia is more nuanced than the traditional hindu vs muslim narrative.

To some degree. The divide is still rather apparent if one looks at history. Most Hindus who assisted the Muslims were shunned by the others.

BTW, i have nothing against akbar and aurangzeb. Although i disagree with some of aurangzeb's actions, no one is perfect. I admire his leadership and believed he genuinely cared about south asia. He did make a kistake by trying to conquer the deccan though.

Agreed. He's often portrayed as a bigot even though he brought numerous Hindus into his administration.

Thank you for a productive discussion.

You're welcome.

 

[drmeson]

I wrote a long essay and then my post got deleted. WTF