Watch out for Vietnam, says RI ambassador

[nautilaceae]

People may laugh but overtaking Indonesia is not a challenge. It is just a short to medium goal. For Vietnam, we should aim to catch up with S. Korea and Japan. In terms of prosperity we should aim to take on Singapore.

Only 2 things could stop Vietnam: corruption and war.
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Indonesia set to become fourth-largest economy
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Indonesia-set-to-become-fourth-largest-economy


Indonesian Leadership in ASEAN: Mediation, Agency and Extra-Regional Diplomacy

Abstract
Indonesia has long been said to be the ‘natural born leader’ or ‘first among equals’ within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN). The ‘leadership’ role of Indonesia dates back to the establishment of ASEAN in 1967. The end of konfrontasi (confrontation) and Indonesia’s willingness to join ASEAN were critical to ASEAN’s creation. This, in turn, served President Suharto’s goal to portray Indonesia as a constructive neighbor.1 As Dewi Fortuna Anwar argues, following ASEAN’s formation, ‘Indonesia’s restraint, plus its substantial contribution to the regional cooperation, … earned the country the respect and recognition of the other members as a primus inter pares’ or ‘first among equals’.2 However, the establishment of ASEAN has also been interpreted as an effort to constrain Indonesian hegemony in Southeast Asia. Therefore, as a form of consent to this, Suharto’s policy towards the organization was also influenced by a desire to reassure its regional partners.3 While Indonesia became somewhat introverted following the 1997–98 East Asian Financial Crisis and associated collapse of President Suharto’s New Order regime, the consolidation of stability, economic growth, and democratic values saw Indonesia once again emerge as an active leader in ASEAN.


https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137397416_13

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia set to become fourth-largest economy
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Indonesia-set-to-become-fourth-largest-economy


Indonesian Leadership in ASEAN: Mediation, Agency and Extra-Regional Diplomacy

Abstract
Indonesia has long been said to be the ‘natural born leader’ or ‘first among equals’ within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN). The ‘leadership’ role of Indonesia dates back to the establishment of ASEAN in 1967. The end of konfrontasi (confrontation) and Indonesia’s willingness to join ASEAN were critical to ASEAN’s creation. This, in turn, served President Suharto’s goal to portray Indonesia as a constructive neighbor.1 As Dewi Fortuna Anwar argues, following ASEAN’s formation, ‘Indonesia’s restraint, plus its substantial contribution to the regional cooperation, … earned the country the respect and recognition of the other members as a primus inter pares’ or ‘first among equals’.2 However, the establishment of ASEAN has also been interpreted as an effort to constrain Indonesian hegemony in Southeast Asia. Therefore, as a form of consent to this, Suharto’s policy towards the organization was also influenced by a desire to reassure its regional partners.3 While Indonesia became somewhat introverted following the 1997–98 East Asian Financial Crisis and associated collapse of President Suharto’s New Order regime, the consolidation of stability, economic growth, and democratic values saw Indonesia once again emerge as an active leader in ASEAN.


https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137397416_13

I like and i approve this outlook..

Hiduplah Indonesia Raya.....

 

[Viet]

Indonesia set to become fourth-largest economy
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Indonesia-set-to-become-fourth-largest-economy


Indonesian Leadership in ASEAN: Mediation, Agency and Extra-Regional Diplomacy

Abstract
Indonesia has long been said to be the ‘natural born leader’ or ‘first among equals’ within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN). The ‘leadership’ role of Indonesia dates back to the establishment of ASEAN in 1967. The end of konfrontasi (confrontation) and Indonesia’s willingness to join ASEAN were critical to ASEAN’s creation. This, in turn, served President Suharto’s goal to portray Indonesia as a constructive neighbor.1 As Dewi Fortuna Anwar argues, following ASEAN’s formation, ‘Indonesia’s restraint, plus its substantial contribution to the regional cooperation, … earned the country the respect and recognition of the other members as a primus inter pares’ or ‘first among equals’.2 However, the establishment of ASEAN has also been interpreted as an effort to constrain Indonesian hegemony in Southeast Asia. Therefore, as a form of consent to this, Suharto’s policy towards the organization was also influenced by a desire to reassure its regional partners.3 While Indonesia became somewhat introverted following the 1997–98 East Asian Financial Crisis and associated collapse of President Suharto’s New Order regime, the consolidation of stability, economic growth, and democratic values saw Indonesia once again emerge as an active leader in ASEAN.


https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137397416_13

Such feel good article means little. Venezuela has very high gdp but even imports toilet paper.

 

[nufix]

Such feel good article means little. Venezuela has very high gdp but even imports toilet paper.

Ok dude, whatever floats your boat then

 

[Viva_Viet]

More explanation on mass production.

Mass production is cheap due to economics of scale. Economics of scale dictates that costs for every products that are produced in large quantities will be spread out over the products, in effect will make the products will be cheaper over a long term

Take note for this examples:

Toyota are able to keep the car costs down due to the Toyota highly automated mass production assembly lines are able to mass produces 5 millions unit cars worldwide annually . Toyota can maintain a healthy profit margin while maintain a lower selling price , for example the cheapest model of Toyota Vios 1.5J costs about MYR 77,000

On the other hand, Bentley selling price is too high for mass populace due to most of the car assembly process are not automated but instead uses manual skills . Therefore, Bentley managed to produces 11,000 unit of cars. To maintain the high costs of manual labour but reduced output , Bentley need to upmark the selling price. The cheapest model Bentley Flying Spur costs about MYR 1.8 million which is 23X more exensive than the Toyota Vios.

https://www.quora.com/Why-mass-production-is-cheap

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Indonesia ia just like Bentley, can not run mass production due to small market. the rich Indonesian can not sell their products in open market due to low quality or higher price, so they sell those failed products to poor Indonesian ( guys here call that " focus on domestic market" ) and poor ppl have no choice but to buy those failed products at high price and make their lives worsen to starving ppl.

 

[nufix]

More explanation on mass production.

Mass production is cheap due to economics of scale. Economics of scale dictates that costs for every products that are produced in large quantities will be spread out over the products, in effect will make the products will be cheaper over a long term

Take note for this examples:

Toyota are able to keep the car costs down due to the Toyota highly automated mass production assembly lines are able to mass produces 5 millions unit cars worldwide annually . Toyota can maintain a healthy profit margin while maintain a lower selling price , for example the cheapest model of Toyota Vios 1.5J costs about MYR 77,000

On the other hand, Bentley selling price is too high for mass populace due to most of the car assembly process are not automated but instead uses manual skills . Therefore, Bentley managed to produces 11,000 unit of cars. To maintain the high costs of manual labour but reduced output , Bentley need to upmark the selling price. The cheapest model Bentley Flying Spur costs about MYR 1.8 million which is 23X more exensive than the Toyota Vios.

https://www.quora.com/Why-mass-production-is-cheap

Indonesia ia just like Bentley, can not run mass production due to small market. the rich Indonesian can not sell their products in open market due to low quality or higher price, so they sell those failed products to poor Indonesian and poor ppl have no choice but to buy those failed products at high price and make their life worsen.

Why are you now jumping to micro economics? Run out of macr economics ideas? LOL

See what I mean? Viet guys cannot even keep the discussion without derailling the entire thread they made lol

I am not going to discuss anything scolarly here, I am just going to be a troll. That is what this thread was meant to be, a troll ground made by a troll

Poor viets, eventho the car price there is not that different than in regional countries, 90% of Viet Urban people cant even buy cars.

Anyway, high import tax is a sign of protectionism, Vietnam is a protectionist country then


90% of buyers in Hanoi, HCMC cannot afford new cars: automaker

A brand new car is beyond the reach of 90 percent of buyers in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam’s biggest cities, because of the multiple high taxes the government imposes on each vehicle

• By Tuoi Tre News
  August 31, 2014, 18:48 GMT+7
  

A brand new car is beyond the reach of 90 percent of buyers in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam’s biggest cities, because of the multiple high taxes the government imposes on each vehicle, the leader of a local automaker has said.

“The auto market in Vietnam has yet to satisfy the demand of the majority,” newswire VnExpress quoted Bui Ngoc Huyen, chairman of local private automaker Vinaxuki, as saying at an automobile industry conference held by the Ministry of Industry and Trade on Tuesday.

Huyen cited a survey conducted by a market research company as saying that 90 percent of buyers in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City could not afford a car due to the current high tax rates.

He explained that to own a new car in Vietnam, buyers have to pay four main taxes and fees, including import tax, special consumption tax, value-added tax, and registration fees.

Those taxes and fees inflate the expense of getting a car by two or even three times the original price.

It is believed that taxation is applied to limit the number of cars running in the Southeast Asian country where the traffic infrastructure is still underdeveloped.

Nguyen Trung Quang, a businessman, is among those people in Ho Chi Minh City who can afford to buy a new car.

According to Saigon Giai Phong (Liberated Saigon) newspaper, Quang decided to buy an imported Toyota Camry 2.5Q car to serve his business after careful thought and consideration.

He had to spend US$60,000 buying the Toyota vehicle in Vietnam although it costs a mere $22,000 in the U.S.

Import tax, special consumption tax, value-added tax along with road fees, number plate charges, and insurance had been included in his totalpayment.

In the U.S., a BMW 760Li fetches $140,000 while the average cost of buying the vehicle in Vietnam is $318,000, according to Sai Gon Giai Phong.

Similarly buyers will have to pay $61,000 for a Toyota Camry 2.5G vehicle which is priced at roughly $22,000 in the U.S., the same newspaper reported.

A car in Vietnam is also much more expensive than in its neighboring country, Thailand.

In Thailand, the E version of the Toyota Yaris is offered for sale at $17,700 whereas it costs around VND661 million ($31,216) in Vietnam.

Or a Suzuki Swift assembled in Vietnam sells for VND550 million (roughly $26,000) but in Thailand it is sold at only $15,000.

However, Vietnam is not among the 10 most expensive places to buy a car, according to Jalopnik, a weblog covering cars, car culture, and the automotive industry which is owned and operated by Gawker Media based in New York City.

In the weblog’s list, Singapore is the priciest place to own a car despite the fact that the wealthy island state has one of the highest per capita incomes in the world.

Singapore is trying to get rid of traffic congestion by making it almost impossible to own a car, the site commented.

The remaining places include Malaysia, Indonesia, Nicaragua, China, Brazil, United Kingdom, St. Kitts and Nevis, North Korea, and Cuba.

Like us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter to get the latest news about Vietnam!

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Let's put this graph once more, lest they forget their place.. Feel the manufacturing power of INDONESIA... peasant!

 

[nautilaceae]

As ASEAN's ‘natural leader’, Indonesia should assert leadership

Indonesia should further assert its leadership in ASEAN to maintain unity amid the internal challenges that potentially threaten the regional body's vision of forming an integrated community, former foreign minister Dino Patti Djalal says.

According to Dino, some ASEAN member states are currently going through political changes, including the Philippines, Myanmar and Thailand, and their internal situations have created some distractions that affect cooperation in the regional body.

As a country that had been playing a central role in the region, Indonesia should therefore be able to encourage ASEAN member states to get re-energized and to reaffirm their goals to ensure that the regional body moves in the right direction, Dino said.

"ASEAN centrality needs to be earned and thus it is important for us to take the lead [...] Indonesia is the natural leader of ASEAN and other member states seem to regard us as so," Dino told journalists in Saturday.

Speaking at the sidelines of the 2016 Conference on Indonesian Foreign Policy in Jakarta, Dino also said ASEAN should further unify and discuss a suitable joint strategy to make the regional body able to face global challenges in the years ahead. (evi)
http://www.thejakartapost.com/seasi...eader-indonesia-should-assert-leadership.html


@Viva_Viet @Viet

 

[nufix]

Let's put this graph once more, lest they forget their place.. Feel the manufacturing power of INDONESIA... peasant!

LOL i will help you

 

[Viet]

As ASEAN's ‘natural leader’, Indonesia should assert leadership

Indonesia should further assert its leadership in ASEAN to maintain unity amid the internal challenges that potentially threaten the regional body's vision of forming an integrated community, former foreign minister Dino Patti Djalal says.

According to Dino, some ASEAN member states are currently going through political changes, including the Philippines, Myanmar and Thailand, and their internal situations have created some distractions that affect cooperation in the regional body.

As a country that had been playing a central role in the region, Indonesia should therefore be able to encourage ASEAN member states to get re-energized and to reaffirm their goals to ensure that the regional body moves in the right direction, Dino said.

"ASEAN centrality needs to be earned and thus it is important for us to take the lead [...] Indonesia is the natural leader of ASEAN and other member states seem to regard us as so," Dino told journalists in Saturday.

Speaking at the sidelines of the 2016 Conference on Indonesian Foreign Policy in Jakarta, Dino also said ASEAN should further unify and discuss a suitable joint strategy to make the regional body able to face global challenges in the years ahead. (evi)
http://www.thejakartapost.com/seasi...eader-indonesia-should-assert-leadership.html


@Viva_Viet @Viet

Asean leader bullshit.

If I recalled the current president of Indonesia has never paid a state visit to any country in Indochinese mainland. Moreover he shows no interest at all in asean politics. The Chinese stage aggressive policy in the South China Sea, bringing some countries on verge of nuclear exchange but Indonesia hands are hidden behind the backs. Great leadership.

 

[nufix]

Asean leader bullshit. If I recalled the current president of Indonesia has never paid a state visit to any country in Indochinese mainland. Moreover he shows no interest at all in asean politics. The Chinese stage aggressive policy in the South China Sea, bringing some countries on verge of nuclear exchange but Indonesia hands are hidden behind the backs. Great leadership.

Read the headline dude, mark the word "should", means Indonesia so far has not played that role despite being a "natural". Indonesia itself never claims to be a leader of ASEAN, but we can't also deny if analysts say so I mean, look at the numbers

 

[Viet]

LOL i will help you

Can you break down in numbers?

I post a figure previously we sold 1 billion shoe pairs to overseas customers last year, how many shoes you sold?

Read the headline dude, mark the word "should", means Indonesia so far has not played that role despite being a "natural". Indonesia itself never claims to be a leader of ASEAN, but we can't also deny if analysts say so I mean, look at the numbers

Natural bullshit. Leadership is proven by competence not by size of population. I can ask Africa to lead Indonesia.

 

[nautilaceae]

Asean leader bullshit.

If I recalled the current president of Indonesia has never paid a state visit to any country in Indochinese mainland. Moreover he shows no interest at all in asean politics. The Chinese stage aggressive policy in the South China Sea, bringing some countries on verge of nuclear exchange but Indonesia hands are hidden behind the backs. Great leadership.

INDONESIA’S LEADERSHIP ROLE IN ASEAN: HISTORY AND FUTURE PROSPECTS
Abstract

Indonesia is perceived as a natural de facto leader of the International Organization of ASEAN since its establishment in 1967. Myriad factors have contributed towards this highly regarded position in ASEAN, including its persistence towards measures of regionalism, hence positioning ASEAN at the central core of Indonesia’s foreign policies throughout the years. As one of the founding members of ASEAN, key past foreign policies have reflected an intention to shape the organization in a manner most ideal for Indonesia. Thus it is crucial to further understand in what nature and to what extent has Indonesia led ASEAN in the past, and what are Indonesia’s prospects in leading ASEAN with the change of presidency that the state faces now. Based on those questions, the paper explores Indonesia’s leadership role in ASEAN with focus upon Indonesia’s historical role in conflict management correlated with ASEAN member states, and its capacity in architecting contemporary ASEAN institutions. It argues Indonesia’s active ad hoc diplomacy in settling various security issues related to the territorial disputes over the Preah Vihear Temple between Cambodia and Thailand, and tensions in the South China Sea. It further argues Indonesia’s vital role in establishing key institutions and norms including the ASEAN Political and Security Community and the ASEAN Intergovernmental Commission on Human Rights. Finally the paper focuses on Indonesia’s ostensible rise, and its prospects in continuing its ASEAN leadership role under the newly elected Joko Widodo, pertinent towards the G20 and policy to reassure neighboring states of its non-belligerent rise.

http://dergipark.ulakbim.gov.tr/ijasos/article/view/5000139732/0

 

[Viet]

Why are you now jumping to micro economics? Run out of macr economics ideas? LOL

See what I mean? Viet guys cannot even keep the discussion without derailling the entire thread they made lol

I am not going to discuss anything scolarly here, I am just going to be a troll. That is what this thread was meant to be, a troll ground made by a troll

Poor viets, eventho the car price there is not that different than in regional countries, 90% of Viet Urban people cant even buy cars.

Anyway, high import tax is a sign of protectionism, Vietnam is a protectionist country then


90% of buyers in Hanoi, HCMC cannot afford new cars: automaker

A brand new car is beyond the reach of 90 percent of buyers in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam’s biggest cities, because of the multiple high taxes the government imposes on each vehicle

• By Tuoi Tre News
  August 31, 2014, 18:48 GMT+7

A brand new car is beyond the reach of 90 percent of buyers in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam’s biggest cities, because of the multiple high taxes the government imposes on each vehicle, the leader of a local automaker has said.

“The auto market in Vietnam has yet to satisfy the demand of the majority,” newswire VnExpress quoted Bui Ngoc Huyen, chairman of local private automaker Vinaxuki, as saying at an automobile industry conference held by the Ministry of Industry and Trade on Tuesday.

Huyen cited a survey conducted by a market research company as saying that 90 percent of buyers in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City could not afford a car due to the current high tax rates.

He explained that to own a new car in Vietnam, buyers have to pay four main taxes and fees, including import tax, special consumption tax, value-added tax, and registration fees.

Those taxes and fees inflate the expense of getting a car by two or even three times the original price.

It is believed that taxation is applied to limit the number of cars running in the Southeast Asian country where the traffic infrastructure is still underdeveloped.

Nguyen Trung Quang, a businessman, is among those people in Ho Chi Minh City who can afford to buy a new car.

According to Saigon Giai Phong (Liberated Saigon) newspaper, Quang decided to buy an imported Toyota Camry 2.5Q car to serve his business after careful thought and consideration.

He had to spend US$60,000 buying the Toyota vehicle in Vietnam although it costs a mere $22,000 in the U.S.

Import tax, special consumption tax, value-added tax along with road fees, number plate charges, and insurance had been included in his totalpayment.

In the U.S., a BMW 760Li fetches $140,000 while the average cost of buying the vehicle in Vietnam is $318,000, according to Sai Gon Giai Phong.

Similarly buyers will have to pay $61,000 for a Toyota Camry 2.5G vehicle which is priced at roughly $22,000 in the U.S., the same newspaper reported.

A car in Vietnam is also much more expensive than in its neighboring country, Thailand.

In Thailand, the E version of the Toyota Yaris is offered for sale at $17,700 whereas it costs around VND661 million ($31,216) in Vietnam.

Or a Suzuki Swift assembled in Vietnam sells for VND550 million (roughly $26,000) but in Thailand it is sold at only $15,000.

However, Vietnam is not among the 10 most expensive places to buy a car, according to Jalopnik, a weblog covering cars, car culture, and the automotive industry which is owned and operated by Gawker Media based in New York City.

In the weblog’s list, Singapore is the priciest place to own a car despite the fact that the wealthy island state has one of the highest per capita incomes in the world.

Singapore is trying to get rid of traffic congestion by making it almost impossible to own a car, the site commented.

The remaining places include Malaysia, Indonesia, Nicaragua, China, Brazil, United Kingdom, St. Kitts and Nevis, North Korea, and Cuba.

Like us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter to get the latest news about Vietnam!

you even don´t bother to read the article do you?

a Toyota costs US$61,000 in Vietnam. it costs only $22,000 in the U.S.

does 22,000 equal 61,000 to you?

no wonder indonesia education sucks.

look at Pisa score. we are among the top. you can check where you are on the scale.

if we follow your leadership, our students will belong to the most stupid.

http://www.philippinesbasiceducation.us/2013/12/vietnam-clear-winner-in-pisa-2012.html

 

[nufix]

you even don´t bother to read the article do you?

a Toyota costs US$61,000 in Vietnam. it costs only $22,000 in the U.S.

does 22,000 equal 61,000 to you?

Dude, you didnt even read my comment, I said in regional countries. Yo dude, car prices in the U.S is also lower than in Indonesia. Indonesia and Vietnam belong to countries with high import tax on cars.

LOL Talk to us again when your GDP reaches 1 Trillion, all this talk about catching up to Indonesia is bullshit if VN cant even compete in the most basic numbers like overall GDP