Was There Treason Against Pakistan In Higher Ranks Of Paf:---

[Mrc]

Because there is nothing of significant to note of domestic products. Get a handle pal.
Economy is bankrupt beyond repair for at least a decade, education/health/infrastructure neglected for decades and here you want to tout production.

Joking mate....

Our domestic tanks are facing off t 90s and domestic planes sukhois and f 18s simultaneously and our domestic nukes are making sure that dogs can bark but cannot bite...
Whole world is drowning in debt not just us...

We are 70 year old... Kindly google some pics of America when they were 70 years old

 

[thinkingcap81]

Hi,

Pakistan is at the brink of a war with its neighbor one more time in the last 20 years---and as usual the only arm of the Pak military that is lagging behind in confronting the enemy is Pakistan air force---.

One more time Paf has been caught ill prepared and not ready for full scale combat against its arch enemy---.

Rather than buying a potent aircraft some 17 years ago---the Paf chose to build and manufacture their own aircraft---the supposedly sanctions proof aircraft---. Supposedly the Paf never got permission from its arch enemy that while it was getting the aircraft ready for combat---the enemy would not get close to a war or the two nations would be at the brink of war---.

The stupidity of the Paf hierarchy is well evident from the fact that it did not cover its bases before it went on the venture of building its own fighter aircraft---meaning that if it had procured a respectable number of potent aircraft in a timely manner---and then progressed to build a fighter of its own---the situation would not be as helpless as it would seem to be now---.

Staying intentionally weak and less equipped has put the sovreignty of the nation of pakistan at stake---.

With a weak air force---the pak military would have to take strategic steps---the nuclear option---sooner rather than later to protect its soil and to keep its integrity alive and secure---.

An inherently weaker pakistan air force for the last 17 years had made the enemy braver by the day and by the year as they knew pak military could not retaliate with a strong action due to lack of fighting aircraft---. The enemy has used that weakness to their advantage by openly threatening the integrity of pakistan multiple times over the years.

For the last many a years---I have raised this question many a times---and I bring it up again---.

Has it been out of COWARDICE that the Paf has chosen not to get the much needed aircraft in a timely manner---is it out of cowardice that the Paf has decided to become a defensive airforce---. There are so many questions that are put there for the Paf---but no Paf officer out there to answer them for the public---.

And yet India chooses not to attack Pakistan. The lack of adequate worthy aircraft in PAF will be acute if in a few years time Indian procurement from domestic and international markets becomes substantial.

It is not very clear why Pakistan chose not to bank on J-10 series. It was apparent that J-10 is actually what the Chinese were investing heavily on. And now Pakistan has to also forge much more closer ties with the Saudi royals thereby irritating Iran quite a bit.

Getting some J-10s early on and then trying to develop a domestic industry like India would have been a useful strategy. But then getting an acceptable domestic R&D and industry while starting from scratch is not easy for us subcontinent folks - after so many decades India is just about achieving a moderate degree of respectability in some key areas.

Okay, yeah. But the situation now seems like a limited war is in the offing. This is what @MastanKhan is talking about.

Sure about war? I hear no build up from our side, unless you have inside information.

We are 70 year old... Kindly google some pics of America when they were 70 years old

That is a good point (same works for India) but in the immediate context this comparison does not help - what matters is the current position we are in and the options available to us which is respected by both domestic and the international community.

I guess all these reports of jet fighter noise and harassing flights must be sound of people firing in the air for Basant celebrations.

You have any firsthand info about lockons etc. over the recent events?

 

[HalfMoon]

I am talking about future. 3-4 years down the line.

There is high possibility that Rafale deal would be cancelled.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

In 2 to 3 years when rafale comes to india, we will see a 5th gen+ aircraft being assembled in pakistan. And there is a possibility of sukhoi 35s in paf in that time, if PAF has the budget and pakistan economy out of woods.

 

[randomradio]

And yet India chooses not to attack Pakistan. The lack of adequate worthy aircraft in PAF will be acute if in a few years time Indian procurement from domestic and international markets becomes substantial.

It is not very clear why Pakistan chose not to bank on J-10 series. It was apparent that J-10 is actually what the Chinese were investing heavily on. And now Pakistan has to also forge much more closer ties with the Saudi royals thereby irritating Iran quite a bit.

Getting some J-10s early on and then trying to develop a domestic industry like India would have been a useful strategy. But then getting an acceptable domestic R&D and industry while starting from scratch is not easy for us subcontinent folks - after so many decades India is just about achieving a moderate degree of respectability in some key areas.

The F-16s were far superior to the J-10As and Bs. And J-10C with AESA is still not available for export.

Sure about war? I hear no build up from our side, unless you have inside information.

A build-up like Parakram is not necessary anymore. During Parakram, it took 3 weeks to mobilise the Strike Corps. This has been reduced to 4-5 days. And the Pivot Corps can enter Pakistan in 24 hours of orders being given.

The SCs are necessary for full scale war, which won't happen as long as Pakistan forces our hand. But the PCs can move into Pakistan very quickly for a limited war, like CSD. CSD is active through the PCs.

Of course, I do not know the scale of the impending attack. It may be CSD or much, much lower than that.

There is high possibility that Rafale deal would be cancelled.

Cancelled, no chance. Doubled, high chance.

 

[HalfMoon]

Still PAF is better equipped than indian Air Force

If PAF was bad Government of India was worst at procurement.

In the end it is the man behind the gun who matters. Result of the battle will be decided by the ones who are ready to go the extra mile

You have a great point there.

Pakistan has weakest air defence system no long range sam system . In last few years armed forces realized tht and now looing for new system.This is alarming .
Paf should have gone for 3 squadron of J10B/C or J16 to fill in the gaps until project azm . Yes in this regard PAF lacking behind and their lone dependence on jft until 5th gen project azm was poor visionary policy .
BUT things are not so worse ....... IAF DONT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST PAF
1 :At the moment 120 jft and 74 f16 comprising 190 +/- jets against 380 +/- su30, mig29 , mirages are in the game .
2: Accept the reality PAF will fight defensive war .
3: PAF wld try to engage IAF over pak airspace to bring Air defense equation in game too .Losses of IAF would be much more greater thn PAF too.
4 : iAF wont be able to bring all its 380-400 capable fighter jets on pak border and even they do so still fighter ratio is 2:1 . NOT a big deal in presence of sam system and good bvr capability .

Great points there. GoI/MoD had screwed up the MMRCA procurement giving PAF the much needed breathing space.

Okay, yeah. But the situation now seems like
a limited war is in the offing. This is what @MastanKhan is talking about

There would be no war.

And yet India chooses not to attack Pakistan. The lack of adequate worthy aircraft in PAF will be acute if in a few years time Indian procurement from domestic and international markets becomes substantial.

It is not very clear why Pakistan chose not to bank on J-10 series. It was apparent that J-10 is actually what the Chinese were investing heavily on. And now Pakistan has to also forge much more closer ties with the Saudi royals thereby irritating Iran quite a bit.

Getting some J-10s early on and then trying to develop a domestic industry like India would have been a useful strategy. But then getting an acceptable domestic R&D and industry while starting from scratch is not easy for us subcontinent folks - after so many decades India is just about achieving a moderate degree of respectability in some key areas.

India may have had a chance to attack Pakistan had GoI/Mod not messed around with the Scorpene, S-400 and MMRCA deals.