Was the Taj Mahal originally an ancient Hindu temple?

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Bangalore Palace

View attachment 276509





Changed your mind yet? I can go on for days. There are thousands of such wonders in India. The Mughals couldn't destroy at the rate at which these were built. And now don't go running to "Muslim" architecture. You were raving about "Mughal" architecture, so stick to it.

Most of the stuff your showing, is far ahead of the Mughal's fall - but there is not one thing in India that is able to compete with the Taj Mahal. Also the pictures your showing is not Indian architecture and is late mughal architecture.. We have buildings like these littered all across Pakistan but at a much more grand scale - if you like this architecture which many Pakistanis think are boring, then i suggest you visit Lahore or Peshawer. Here are some examples of architecture in Peshawer, dont even let me bring out Lahore and other cities.

Taj Mahal was a hindu temple. That is very true, I agree.

I also agree that Michael Jackson was also a hindu. His real name was Mai ka LaL Jai Kishan which became Michael Jackson after he became Christian.

@waz Please ask the posters not to drag in religion.

Are you being sarcastic and joking around? Now a days Indians are filled with so much stupidy that i cant tell if they joke around or are being serious.

 

[faithfulguy]

nonsense. Tajmahal is a proud symbol of India.

It will soon be regarded as a symbol of Hindu humiliation. Could it be demolished because it's not Hindu? Who knows...

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

you are too dumb to do any comparison and give any suggestion expect what your madarsa taught you thus posting crap from your mouth and one liberal article won't change the fact that pak is a primitive tiny village compared to india ( am ready to debate on facts) sure india is no utopia but way better than any medieval country.

We have slums but also have these that your grandchildren won't be able to ride.
View attachment 276574

figure out which pak city is this
View attachment 276575

congrats
Karachi is Asia's largest slum, not Dharavi: UNDP - The Times of India

Dirtiest Countries in the World - Top Ten Findings

lastly we look down and spit on every medieval filth specially a persian graveyard like taj.



Better than beheading and slavery.BTW do yo believe in Djinns ?

I prefer nuetral sources over Indian sources.
10 Of The Biggest Slums In The World - TheRichest

The Slums that we have are all filled with Migrants, not Pakistani citizens. These Migrants come from India, Bangladesh(largest), Burma, Afghanistan and Iran.

What are you trying to prove with a cock-roach filth filled train? Everything looks OKAY on the outside, but shit in the inside. Pakistan is decades ahead of India.

Yes, those are probably very poor Pakistanis or illeagle immigrants - but they are demonstrating the life of an average Indian. Dont let me bring out pics.

Keep tiring your self out mate; if you go to Pakistan and show Pakistanis these pictures they will laugh, we are already tired of being around buildings like these - we have millions scattered throughout Pakistan. Also, these are late-Mughal era architecture. Half of them you are showing were built by Muslims. Stick to wannabe-aztec architecture.

Stupid logic. Maggots grow pretty fast too. Does not mean they are great.

No that is how Hindus grow. We grow more like this: 100,000 conversions and counting, meet the ex-Hindu who herds souls to the Hereafter - The Express Tribune

Please keep growing like Maggots, you are providing us with more and more converts - we thank you.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Such are the rooms on the 1st floor of the marble structure of the Taj Mahal. The two staircases leading to this upper floor are kept locked and barred since Shahjahan's time.


The floor and the marble walls of such upper floor rooms can be seen in the picture to have been stripped of its marble panels.

Shahjahan used that uprooted marble from the upper floor for constructing graves and engraving the Koran

because he did not know wherefrom to procure marble matching the splendour of the rest of the Taj Mahal. He was also so stingy as not to want to spend much even on converting a robbed Hindu temple into an Islamic mausoleum.

Such are the magnificent marble-paved, shining, cool, white bright rooms of the Taj Mahal temple palace's marble ground floor. Even the lower third portion of the walls is covered with magnificent marble mosaic. The doorway at the left looks suspiciously closed with a stone slab. One can perambulate through these rooms around the central octagonal sanctorum, now occupied by Mumtaz's fake grave.

Rajpoot Style Varanda in Taj :

Rajpoot Style Well (Bawadi) in Taj:

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Such are the rooms on the 1st floor of the marble structure of the Taj Mahal. The two staircases leading to this upper floor are kept locked and barred since Shahjahan's time.


The floor and the marble walls of such upper floor rooms can be seen in the picture to have been stripped of its marble panels.

Shahjahan used that uprooted marble from the upper floor for constructing graves and engraving the Koran

because he did not know wherefrom to procure marble matching the splendour of the rest of the Taj Mahal. He was also so stingy as not to want to spend much even on converting a robbed Hindu temple into an Islamic mausoleum.

Such are the magnificent marble-paved, shining, cool, white bright rooms of the Taj Mahal temple palace's marble ground floor. Even the lower third portion of the walls is covered with magnificent marble mosaic. The doorway at the left looks suspiciously closed with a stone slab. One can perambulate through these rooms around the central octagonal sanctorum, now occupied by Mumtaz's fake grave.

Go ahead, demolish it and make a ugly *** pyramid; see your tourism go down by 50%

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Varandha : Rajpoot Architect - In Taj:

Taj Photo

Stones for anchoring boats. On the North side of the Taj Mahal, there is a platform 3 ft 6 inches wide and it runs for the entire length. The platform also has embedded into it several stone rings for anchoring boats. In the photo we can see two such stones, one in the lower right front corner, the other further up the stream. This shows that the building was planned for facilitating boats for river transportation for the residents in the Taj. Again, these are not something you would need for a quiet or even vacant grave site.

Taj Photo

We are now outside the Cenotaph Chamber. Note how the steps in plain marble break up the designs on the plinth wall. This means that they are not original.

Taj Photo

The timber door before it was sealed up with bricks. In 1974 American Professor Marvin Mills took a sample from this door for Carbon dating and concluded that the Taj Mahal pre-dates Shahjahan. After this revelation, the Government of India removed the timber doors and the openings were bricked up, as shown in the previous photo.

Entrance to lower basement floor that is now bricked up.

AN ARCHITECT LOOKS AT THE TAJ MAHAL LEGEND
by

Professor Marvin H. Mills
Pratt Institute, New York
In their book TAJ MAHAL

In their book THE ILLUMINED TOMB, Wayne Edison Begley and Ziyaud-Din Ahmad Desai have put together a very commendable body of data and information derived from contemporary sources and augmented with numerous photo illustrations, chroniclers' descriptions, imperial directives plus letters, plans, elevations and diagrams. They have performed a valuable service to the community of scholars and laymen concerned with the circumstances surrounding the origin and development of the Taj Mahal.

But these positive contributions exist within a framework of analysis and interpretation that distorts a potential source of enlightenment into support for fantasy and misinformation that has plagued scholarship in this field for hundreds of years, thus obscuring the true origin of the Taj Mahal complex. The two basic procedural errors that they make is to assume that the dated inscriptions are accurate and that court hroniclers are behaving like objective historians.

As an architect, my principal argument with the authors is their facile acceptance of the compact time frame that they uncritically accept for the coming into being of the Taj from conception to its first Urs (anniversary) of the death of Mumtaz and the completion of the main building. Construction processes that had to consume substantial blocks of time are condensed into a few months. They feel justified in relying on what evidence is vailable, but fail to consider the objective needs of construction. They regret the loss of what, they say, must have been millions of Mughal state records and documents produced each year on all aspects of the Taj's construction. They do not consider that the lack of drawings, specifications and records of payment may be due to their not being generated at the time. Nor do they consider Shahjah an's potential for deception as to when and by whom it was built. Yet they point out Shahjahan's careful monitoring of the contents of court history:

"Shajahan himself was probably responsible for this twisting of historical truth. The truth would have shown him to be inconsistent and this could not be tolerated. For this reason also, the histories contain no statements of any kind that are critical of the Emperor or his policies, and even military defeats are rationalized so that no blame could be attached to him. ... effusive praise of the Emperor is carried to such extremes that he seems more a divinity than a mortal man." (p. xxvi)

With the court chroniclers' histories carefully edited, and with the great scarcity of documents we are fortunate to have four surviving farmans or directives issued by Shahjahan to Raja Jai Singh of Amber-the very same local ruler from whom the Emperor acquired the Taj property. On the basis of these farmans, the court chroniclers and a visiting European traveler, we learn that: (i) Mumtaz died and was buried temporarily at Burhanpur on June 17, 1631; (ii) her body was exhumed and taken to Agra on December 11, 1631; (iii) she was reburied somewhere on the Taj grounds on January 8, 1632; and (iv) European traveler Peter Mundy witnessed Shahjahan's return to Agra with his cavalcade on June 11, 1632.

The first farman was issued on September 20, 1632 in which the Emperor urges Raja Jai Singh to hasten the shipment of marble for the facing of the interior walls of the Mausoleum, i.e., the Taj main building. Naturally a building had to be there to receive the finish. How much time was needed to put that basic building in place?

Every successful new building construction follows what we call in modern-day construction a "critical path". There is a normal sequence of steps requiring a minimum time before other processes follow. Since Mumtaz died unexpectedly and relatively young (having survived thirteen previous child - births), we can assume that Shahjahan was unprepared for her sudden demise. He had to conceive, in the midst of his trauma, of a world class tomb dedicated to her, select an architect (whose identity is still debated), work out a design program with the architect, and have the architect prepare designs, engineer the structure and mechanical systems, detail the drawings, organize the contractors and thousands of workers, and prepare a complex construction schedule. Mysteriously, no documents relating to this elaborate procedure, other than the four farmans have survived.

We cannot assume that the Taj complex was built additively with the buildings and landscaping built as needed. It was designed as a unified whole. Begley and Desai make this clear by their analysis of the grid system that was employed by the designer to unite the complex horizontally and vertically to into a three-dimensional whole. If one did not "know" that it was a solemn burial grounds, one would believe that it was designed as a palace with a delightful air of fantasy and secular delights of water ways and flowering plants. Could it be that this is Raja Jai Singh's palace, never destroyed, converted by decree and some minimum face-lifting to a Mughal tomb?

Assuming that Shahjahan was galvanized into prompt action to initiate the project on behalf of his deceased beloved, we can safely assume that he needed one year minimum between conception and ground-breaking. Since Mumtaz died in June 1631, that would take us to June 1632. But construction is said to have begun in January 1632. Excavation must have presented a formidable task. First, the demolition of Raja Jai Singh's palace would have had to occur. We know that the property had a palace on it from the chronicles of Mirza Qazini and Abd al-Hamid Lahori. Lahori writes:

"As there was a tract of land (zamini) of great eminence and pleasantness towards the south of that large city, on which before there was this mansion (manzil) of Raja Man Singh, and which now belongs to his grandson Raja Jai Singh, it was selected for the burial place (madfan) of that tenant of paradise.[Mumtaz]" (p. 43)

Measures would have to be taken during excavation of this main building and the other buildings to the north to retain the Jumna River from inundating the excavation. The next steps would have been to sink the massive foundation piers, put in the footings, retaining the walls and the plinth or podium to support the Taj and its two accompanying buildings to the east and west plus the foundations for the corner towers, the well house, he underground rooms, and assuming the complex was done at one time, all the supports for the remainder of the buildings throughout the complex. To be conservative in our estimate, we need at least another year of construction which takes us up to January 1634.

But here is the problem. On the anniversary of the death of Mumtaz, each year Shahjahan would stage the Urs celebration at the Taj. The first Urs occurred on June 22, 1632. Though construction had allegedly begun only six months earlier, the great plinth of red sandstone over brick, 374 yards long, 140 yards wide, and 14 yards high was already in place! Even Begley and Desai are somewhat amazed.

Where was all the construction debris, the piles of materials, the marble, the brick scaffolding, the temporary housing for thousands of workers, the numerous animals needed to haul materials? If "heaven was surpassed by the magnificence of the rituals", as one chronicler puts it, then nothing should have been visible to mar the exquisite panorama that the occasion called for.

But by June 1632, it was not physically possible that construction could have progressed to completion of excavation, construction of all the footings and foundations, completion of the immense platform and clearing of all the debris and eyesores in preparation for the first Urs.

Begley and Desai have little use for the testimony of the European travellers to the court of Shahjahan. But they consider Peter Mundy, an agent of the British East India Company, to be the most important source on the Taj because he was there shortly before the first Urs at the new grave site, and one year later at the second Urs.

It was Mundy who said that he saw the installation of the enameled gold railing surrounding Mumtaz's cenotaph at the time of the second Urs on May 26, 1633. But there is no way that construction could have moved ahead so vigorously from January 1632 to May 1633 as to be ready to receive the railing. After all, the railing could not have stood forth in the open air. It means that the Taj building had to be already there. It must have been immensely valuable since the cost of the Taj complex was reported to be fifty lakhs, while the cost of the gold railing was six lakhs of rupees. The gold railing was removed by Shahjahan on February 6, 1643 when it was replaced by the inlaid white marble screen one sees now.

An alternate interpretation of events regarding the railing is that Shahjahan revealed the gold railing of Raja Jai Singh at the first or second Urs. In 1643 he appropriated it for himself and put in its place the very fine marble screen with its inlaid semi-precious stones, a screen that was not nearly as valuable as the gold railing.

If Shahjahan's construction and interior adornment of the Taj are in question, what rework of the Taj can we attribute to him? The inscriptions were undoubtedly among the few rework tasks that he was obliged to do. He may also have removed any obvious references to Hinduism in the form of symbolic decor that existed.

The book's plate illustrations show that the inscriptions are almost always in a discrete rectangular frame which renders them capable of being modified or added to without damaging the adjascent material. In my judgement the black script on the white marble background seems inappropriate esthetically in the midst of the soft beige marble that surrounds it. By adding the inscriptions Shahjahan probably sought to establish the credibility of its having been his creation as a sacred mausoleum instead of the Hindu palace that time will undoubtedly prove that it was.

Based on the latest inscriptions dated 1638-39, which appear on the tomb, the authors estimate a construction period of six years. Six years in my judgement is simply not enough time. As reasonable approximation of the total time required to build the Taj complex, we can consider Tavernier's estimate of twenty-two years. Although he first arrived in Agra in 1640, he probably witnessed some rework or repair. The time frame of twenty-two years may have been passed on to him by local people as part of the collective memory from some previous century when the Taj was actually built.

The issue of repairs is taken up by the authors in their translation of the original letter of Aurangazeb to his father dated December 9, 1652. He reports serious leaks on the north side, the four arched portals, the four small domes, the four northern vestibules, sub-chambers of the plinth, plus leaks from the previous rainy season. The question the authors do not raise is: Would the Taj, being at most only thirteen years old, already have shown symptoms of decay? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to believe that by 1652 it was already hundreds of years old and was showing normal wear and tear.

Who built the Taj? The authors say it was Ahmad Ustad Lahori, chief architect for Shahjahan. They base this belief mainly on the assertion by Luft Allah, the son of Lahori, in a collection of verses, that Shahjahan commanded Lahori to build both the Taj and the Red Fort at Delhi. As evidence this is quite weak.

The court historians are unfailing in their praise for the Emperor's personal participation in his massive architectuaral projects and they are never lacking in glorifying his sterling character. But the European travelers have other things to say about his personality and his inability to focus on anything for long except his lust for women. Nor is the object of his supposed great love either tender or compassionate. It seems that both "lovers" were cruel, self-centred and vicious. To believe that out of this relationship, with the support of Shahjahan's alleged great architectural skills, came what many consider to be the most beautiful building complex in the world, is sheer romantic nonsense.

While Begley and Desai are sceptical of the Taj Mahal's being a consequence of romantic devotion, they yield not an inch in asserting its Mughal origin. They support this traditional view by overlooking some key problems:

1. Consider the identical character of the two buildings on either side of the Taj main building. If they had different functions-one a mosque, the other a guest residence-then, they should have been designed differently to reflect their individual functions.

2. Why does the perimeter wall of the complex have a Medieval, pre-artillery, defense character when artillery (cannons) was already in use in the Mughal invasions of India?

[Why does a mausoleum need a protective wall in the first place? For a palace it is understadable.]

3. Why are there some twenty rooms below the terrace level on the north side of the Taj facing the Jumna River? Why does a mausoleum need these rooms? A palace could put them to good use. The authors do not even mention their existence.

4. What is in the sealed-up rooms on the south side of the long corridor opposite the twenty contiguous rooms? Who filled in the doorway with masonry? Why are scholars not allowed to enter and study whatever objects or decor are within?

5. Why does the "mosque" face due west instead of facing Meccah? Certainly, by the seventeenth century there was no problem in orienting a building precisely!

6. Why has the Archaeological Survey of India blocked any dating of the Taj by means of Carbon-14 or thermo-luminiscnece? Any controversy over which century the Taj was built could easily be resolved. [Radiocarbon dating of a piece of wood surreptiously taken from one of the doors gave 13th century as a possible date. But more data is needed.]

If Shajahan did not build the Taj for the love of Mumtaz, then why did he want it? His love for Mumtaz was evidently a convenient subterfuge. He actually wanted the existing palace for himself. He appropriated it from Raja Jai Singh by making him an offer he could not refuse, the gift of other properties in exchange. He also acquired whatever was precious within the building including the immensely valuable gold railing.

By converting the complex into a sacred Moslem mausoleum he insured that the Hindus would never want it back. Shahjahan converted the residential quarters to the west of the main building to a mosque simply by modifying the interior of the west wall to create a mihrab niche. He added Islamic inscriptions around many doorways and entries to give the impression that the Taj had always been Islamic. Sure enough, the scholars have been silent or deceived ever since.

Yet, we must thank Begley and Desai for having assembled so much useful data and translated contemporary writings and inscriptions. Where they failed is in accepting an apocryphal legend of the Taj for an absolute fact. Their interpretations and analyses have been forced into the mold of their bias. It would be well to take advantage of their work by scholars and laymen interested in deepening their knowledge of the Taj Mahal to read the book while keeping an open mind as to when and by whom it was built.


Added note:
A leading Indian architect, former professor of architecture at Mysore University adds:
There are fundamental problems with the current theory of Islamic Architecture in India of which the following may be noted.

(1) Unlike in the case of Hindu architecture, where there are literally hundreds of works on Vastu in several Indian languages, there seem to be almost no texts or manuals on Islamic architecture. It is difficult to see how a great school of architecture lasting 600 years could flourish without any technical literature.

(2) Hindu architectural practices and traditions are maintained by thousands of mason families, especially in South India. These are known as Vishwakarmas or Vishwa Brahmanas. They are greatly in demand all over the world. No such Muslim families are known.

(3) There are no standards of units and measurements for Islamic architecture in India. It is inconceivable that great works of architecture could come up without them. This is an objective requirement.

TAJ MAHAL-The Illumined Tomb, an anthology of seventeenth century Mughal and European documentary sources, by W.E. Begley and Z.A. Desai: Published by the University of Washington Press, Seattle and London, 1989 (The Aga Khan Program for Islamic Architecture).

The reviewer Marvin Mills is a leading New York architect and professor of architecture at the Pratt Institute

 

[Jamwal's]

I prefer nuetral sources over Indian sources.
10 Of The Biggest Slums In The World - TheRichest

The Slums that we have are all filled with Migrants, not Pakistani citizens. These Migrants come from India, Bangladesh(largest), Burma, Afghanistan and Iran.

What are you trying to prove with a cock-roach filth filled train? Everything looks OKAY on the outside, but shit in the inside. Pakistan is decades ahead of India.

Yes, those are probably very poor Pakistanis or illeagle immigrants - but they are demonstrating the life of an average Indian. Dont let me bring out pics.



Keep tiring your self out mate; if you go to Pakistan and show Pakistanis these pictures they will laugh, we are already tired of being around buildings like these - we have millions scattered throughout Pakistan. Also, these are late-Mughal era architecture. Half of them you are showing were built by Muslims. Stick to wannabe-aztec architecture.


No that is how Hindus grow. We grow more like this: 100,000 conversions and counting, meet the ex-Hindu who herds souls to the Hereafter - The Express Tribune

Please keep growing like Maggots, you are providing us with more and more converts - we thank you.

1.The source is quoting UNDP not Indian so die in shame again do you even know what UNDP is ?

2.Secondly the pic was a Metro not a train which we are running in several of our cities for Years.Again Do you know what Metro is ?

Come back when you have it after 50 Years

3.Pak is ahead of India on what ?

Lifestyle choices,HDI,Per capita,Health indicators,failed state index,passport ranking or polio ?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I have a confession to make. I know from divine sources that it was actually built to honor my arrival on earth......it has been said and it's true. I'm just too humble to accept my greatness so I don't make a big deal out of it

 

[Jamwal's]

Its actually an incorrect statement, the parent and historic Afghanistan has always been Kasi Ghar (located in Zhob district of Balochistan, Pakistan) and the surroundings, from here Pashtun tribes spread to other areas. This oral history of ours is also supported by some solid historical evidences for example from Tarikh-ul-hind of Alberuni, we come to know that Afghan country in 10th or 11th century is mountainous tract on western frontier of India extending up to neighborhood of Sindh valley (i.e Koh sulieman range). Ibn-i-Batuta tell us that Afghans are also called Suliemanis due to their abode of Koh Sulieman range.13th century document, Tarikh-nama-i-Herat also mentions the Afghan country south of Kandahar up to Indus river. The nucleus of Koh Sulieman range is Zhob but also includes Waziristan, Gomal valley, Paktiya, Zabul and parts of Kandahar.

I have done an extensive study of Pashtun nobility of Mughals and have consulted Dastar-ul-khawanin, Badshahnama, Tuzk-i-Jehangiri, Maathir-ul-umara, Mughal archives and the research work of Rita Joshi...........interestingly most of the Pashtun nobles in the service of Mughals , were not from present day Afghanistan but from Baluchistan province of Pakistan, from the tribes of Tarins, Kakars, Miyanas, Pannis etc.

Have you read khafi khan ? Anyway iWill get back to you about the origins of pashtuns based on genetic studies and historical sources goes back to Panini 400 BC ~ who mentioned some tribes lived in present day NWFP and Afghanistan.

Pashtuns from Khyber were troublemakers for the mughals so it might be the reason that pashtun chiefs were employed from Baluchistan.

Mirza Man Singh (7 hazari mansabdar) successfully defeated 5 major pashtuns tribes after crossing Khyber and to commemorate his victory the flag of Amber was changed to Pachranga.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

1.The source is quoting UNDP not Indian so die in shame again do you even know what UNDP is ?

2.Secondly the pic was a Metro not a train which we are running in several of our cities for Years.Again Do you know what Metro is ?

Come back when you have it after 50 Years

3.Pak is ahead of India on what ?

Lifestyle choices,HDI,Per capita,Health indicators,failed state index,passport ranking or polio ?

Yes, Pakistan has a metro -

Many more are under construction and planned; we only go for things we need - the need for one, came after migrants arrived and congested the cities and now a dozen are under construction. One Metro project is also included in CPEC. If you want to see the difference, i suggest you visit Pakistan.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Also the pictures your showing is not Indian architecture and is late mughal architecture.. We have buildings like these littered all across Pakistan but at a much more grand scale

I showed you much more than MUGHAL architecture. Are you blind or something? No point I guess. I will keep posting. Let's see for how long you can continue this charade. What Pakistani architecture? On a much more grand scale. Except that no one has ever heard of them? That photo you pasted of that random place is shit, the building is butt-ugly and you think that is better than Mysore Palace, Lalit Vilas, Rambagh, Patwon ki Haveli, Lake Palace, etc? Dude you are in serious need of a style guide.

This is the UNESCO World Heritage Site Listing for India:

India

• Agra Fort
• Ajanta Caves
• Ellora Caves
• Taj Mahal
• Group of Monuments at Mahabalipuram
• Sun Temple, Konârak
• Kaziranga National Park
• Keoladeo National Park
• Manas Wildlife Sanctuary
• Churches and Convents of Goa
• Fatehpur Sikri
• Group of Monuments at Hampi
• Khajuraho Group of Monuments
• Elephanta Caves
• Great Living Chola Temples 12
• Group of Monuments at Pattadakal
• Sundarbans National Park
• Nanda Devi and Valley of Flowers National Parks
• Buddhist Monuments at Sanchi
• Humayun's Tomb, Delhi
• Qutb Minar and its Monuments, Delhi
• Mountain Railways of India
• Mahabodhi Temple Complex at Bodh Gaya
• Rock Shelters of Bhimbetka
• Champaner-Pavagadh Archaeological Park
• Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (formerly Victoria Terminus)
• Red Fort Complex
• The Jantar Mantar, Jaipur
• Western Ghats
• Hill Forts of Rajasthan
• Great Himalayan National Park Conservation Area
• Rani-ki-Vav (the Queen’s Stepwell) at Patan, Gujarat

And for Pakistan:

Pakistan

• Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro
• Buddhist Ruins of Takht-i-Bahi and Neighbouring City Remains at Sahr-i-Bahlol
• Taxila
• Fort and Shalamar Gardens in Lahore
• Historical Monuments at Makli, Thatta
• Rohtas Fort

Of which the first three are ancient sites of non-Islamic origin. So all together 3 Islamic sites in Pakistan are considered by UNESCO to be of any historic value. Of which the last one was built by Sher Shah Suri and is non-Mughal.

Wake up!!!

Keep tiring your self out mate; if you go to Pakistan and show Pakistanis these pictures they will laugh, we are already tired of being around buildings like these - we have millions scattered throughout Pakistan.

Again, except that no one has seen them. So they exist in your head!!!

Pakistan has very little by way of architectural significance to offer, because the Hindu/Jain/Sikh/Buddhist sites were demolished or fell into disrepair and the Islamic/Mughal architecture is uni-dimensional in nature.

Many more are under construction and planned; we only go for things we need - the need for one, came after migrants arrived and congested the cities and now a dozen are under construction.

So suddenly you are the resident expert on Pakistan's traffic congestion on civic needs, after claiming that you reside in Florida? What would you know about traffic conditions in Pakistan, as you yourself admitted you went there once (twice?) in your whole life?!

I am now getting suspicious...

 

[punit]

It will soon be regarded as a symbol of Hindu humiliation. Could it be demolished because it's not Hindu? Who knows...

its not in land of pure ! so it is pretty much safe.

 

[Samandri]

Have you read khafi khan ? Anyway iWill get back to you about the origins of pashtuns based on genetic studies and historical sources goes back to Panini 400 BC ~ who mentioned some tribes lived in present day NWFP and Afghanistan.

Pashtuns from Khyber were troublemakers for the mughals so it might be the reason that pashtun chiefs were employed from Baluchistan.

Mirza Man Singh (7 hazari mansabdar) successfully defeated 5 major pashtuns tribes after crossing Khyber and to commemorate his victory the flag of Amber was changed to Pachranga.

Which five tribes? as per my knowledge, the general of Akbar who had extensive role in war against Pashtun tribes, was Zain Khan Koka. I have read about achievements of Man Singh in Bengal and Orissa in Sir Jadunath's book "History of bengal vol.2", but he was not that outstanding in North-West. In 1586 ,Man Singh was sent to Kabul after Mirza Hakim's death. According to Akbarnama of Abu fazal (page-727), the Afridi and other tribes under Jalala closed the Khyber pass, blocking Man Singh's access from Kabul to Peshawar and they attacked Peshawar, killing the Mughal commander Syed Hamid Bukhari stationed there. Man Singh was able to reach to Peshawar but with very heavy losses, there reinforcements under Zain Khan arrived. This is the only major encounter between Man Singh and Pashtun tribes, that ever happened. Next year, Zain Khan Koka was made governor of Kabul.

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

It will soon be regarded as a symbol of Hindu humiliation. Could it be demolished because it's not Hindu? Who knows...

nah mate its humiliating for Muslims now because whole religion/cultures main and most popular and beautiful Monument is now under Hindu Rule and we are using is to generate $$$

I have a confession to make. I know from divine sources that it was actually built to honor my arrival on earth......it has been said and it's true. I'm just too humble to accept my greatness so I don't make a big deal out of it

sussssss..... grabe a and enjoy !

"Yes, Pakistan has a metro" -

Many more are "under construction and planned"; we only go for things we need - the need for one, came after migrants arrived and congested the cities and now a dozen are under construction. One Metro project is also included in CPEC. If you want to see the difference, i suggest you visit Pakistan.

Metro "Bus"

even my tier 3 city with population of 1 million have same bus service ( city buses are different)

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

nah mate its humiliating for Muslims now because whole religion/cultures main and most popular and beautiful Monument is now under Hindu Rule and we are using is to generate $$$


sussssss..... grabe a and enjoy !


Metro "Bus"

even my tier 3 city with population of 1 million have same bus service ( city buses are different)

Massive difference between Bus Service (most Pakistani cities have a Bus service) and Metro Bus.