Was INDIA's LCA TEJAS a FAILURE? Let's FIND OUT! (LCA Tejas Documentary)

[ziaulislam]

Even if the Indian Military didn't achieve all of its objectives regarding LCA, the amount of experience gained and the knowledge procured is in itself priceless. So no i don't think the LCA project is a failure, in worst case it failed to achieve all of the objectives.

clearly failed its objectives, just because an endeavor was not completely useless, doesnt it mean it was success

This is failure has put india in a very bad situation for defence

india should have first did a joint venture and than went for indigenous system or
should have inducted tejas immediately and gone for sub system joint ventures afterwards, this would have allowed it to move onwards, in the past india developed its own fighter as well, did that helped? NO, india simply brought 6-7 planes afterwards, infact india was much ahead of china till 1980s

 

[Trango Towers]

Even if the Indian Military didn't achieve all of its objectives regarding LCA, the amount of experience gained and the knowledge procured is in itself priceless. So no i don't think the LCA project is a failure, in worst case it failed to achieve all of the objectives.

Why brag and chest thump when you don't have the knowledge. If you define a set of objectives and do not achieve them then it's a failure no matter how you package it

 

[deckingraj]

Why brag and chest thump when you don't have the knowledge. If you define a set of objectives and do not achieve them then it's a failure no matter how you package it

You are right..and i wish South Asians can apply the same sane advice across board including historical events...Though just one point in defense of Tejas...the objectives also kept on changing...anyways...i otherwise agree that Tejas is a big failure in terms of realizing opportunity cost....

clearly failed its objectives, just because an endeavor was not completely useless, doesnt it mean it was success

This is failure has put india in a very bad situation for defence

india should have first did a joint venture and than went for indigenous system or
should have inducted tejas immediately and gone for sub system joint ventures afterwards, this would have allowed it to move onwards, in the past india developed its own fighter as well, did that helped? NO, india simply brought 6-7 planes afterwards, infact india was much ahead of china till 1980s

Well i hope you do realize that in 91 we were facing bankruptcy whereas our counterparts starting reaping their economic benefits....and we all know that money is the lifeline of R&D....90's were very tricky for us...This was the time when USSR broke...China-Pak bonhomie on the rise....No nuke umbrella complemented with limited resources gave a sucker punch to all these efforts...whatever was left for r&d was moved towards much needed Agni series...one of the reason ISRO is a success story...Mind it not once i am trying to give an excuse for DRDO way of working however the above points are also facts and should be taken into consideration...

Anything falls short of its original goal is a failure. A crappy product can be a success when it meets and even exceeds its original expectation. A fancy product can be a failure when it fails to do so.

Yes...however whenever you get a chance you will replace the crappy product as it is not going to be scalable..had it been, we shouldn't be calling it crappy...on contrary you will try to fix the glitches of your fancy product...since it is scalable and path to future...it is a fact that AMCA won't even come out of drawing board had we dropped Tejas or don't continue to keep improving it...

 

[Hassan Guy]

Even if the Indian Military didn't achieve all of its objectives regarding LCA, the amount of experience gained and the knowledge procured is in itself priceless. So no i don't think the LCA project is a failure, in worst case it failed to achieve all of the objectives.

Absolutely, after billions of dollars they gained experience and knowledge to buy Rafale's from France and launched another tender between the US and Sweden.

 

[SabzShaheen]

Either way, 2018 is going to be a definitive year. Everyone will swallow their words.

I know of only one aircraft that forced another country's aircraft canceling its participation from an airshow.

Please expand on these statements.

 

[Akram Kashmiri]

Please expand on these statements.

How will he expand? Tejas started in 60s and till now a dud, rejected even by Indian Navy, while IAF isn't keen either. Fact is, JF-17 program started 1989, with first aircraft ready in 2007. It has now reached Block 3 and is being exported.

There is no harm in admitting Tejas is failure. Move on instead of harping on about it then bringing JF-17 into thread and calling it Chinese junk etc. Not helping the discussion

 

[SabzShaheen]

How will he expand?

They can expand by stating why "2018 is going to be a definitive year" and which aircraft "forced another country's aircraft canceling its participation from an airshow."

How will he expand?
There is no harm in admitting Tejas is failure. Move on instead of harping on about it then bringing JF-17 into thread and calling it Chinese junk etc. Not helping the discussion

I haven't done that.

 

[Akram Kashmiri]

Question: If their aircraft was a failure, why did Pakistan pull out from showcasing the JF 17 when they heard Tejas was going to be at Bahrain airshow?

Is that the best comeback you guys have with all your IIT training? Really? The aircraft could have pulled out for any number of reasons, and certainly not because it "feared" the grand old daddy of fighter planes!

Fact is that JF-17 is being inducted into leading air force of the region, it is now in version 3 production, and it is also being exported. Pray tell us what is Tejas's claim to fame? How many inducted into IAF? what's the version progression like? how many export orders? How many countries evaluating or showing interest. Yes, that's right - zilch, Nada, nothing and no one.

Please use some logic instead of blind patriotism motivated by naked hatred of Pakistan.

 

[WarFariX]

I know of only one aircraft that forced another country's aircraft canceling its participation from an airshow.

After having read multiple documents posted here in the past year and seen some Tejas related documentaries; sure the second edition is pretty impressive, but the current one is a solid aircraft.

Buy the F35!

i also know of an aircraft that doesnt attract customers such as sri lanka due to its rubbishness while the counterpart is much preferred by sri lanka , nigeria , myanmar , saudi arabia , qatar , egypt, malaysia , and even bangladesh

 

[SabzShaheen]

JF 17 was participating at the Bahrain show and was signed up for months. Then few days before the show India/Tejas decided last minute to join the show with the purpose of showcasing to the world the aircraft's capabilities (in the air), plus was given a slot near the JF17.

Upon learning this Pakistan pulled out of the show asap.

If their Tejas was so crappy why would Pakistan scurry off?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/breaking-news-pak-will-not-send-their-jf17s-to-bahrain.418848/

I think this is a very good counterargument. As far as I know, the reasoning behind the JF-17 being pulled from the airshow still remains unclear.

 

[hussain0216]

Aim was for single engine fighter for Airforce.

The fact that indian airforce has to go buy a foreign single engine fighter means Tejas was a failure

Just because indian's learnt a thing or two from this flying turd (mostly how not to build a fighter jet) dosent mean the programme was a success

Not to worry they can always buy foreign

 

[Akram Kashmiri]

i also know of an aircraft that doesnt attract customers such as sri lanka due to its rubbishness while the counterpart is much preferred by sri lanka , nigeria , myanmar , saudi arabia , qatar , egypt, malaysia , and even bangladesh

Okay. Let's assume JF-17 is rubbish and no one wants to buy it. Why is this bothering Indians so much? Go work in your Tejas, maybe it will be ready on 100th anniversary lol.

 

[Akram Kashmiri]

Are you false flagged or just extremely sarcastic?

Nah - from Occupied Kashmir (Baramulla). Stuck with Indian passport for time being but support Pakistan.

 

[WarFariX]

Okay. Let's assume JF-17 is rubbish and no one wants to buy it. Why is this bothering Indians so much? Go work in your Tejas, maybe it will be ready on 100th anniversary lol.

whom r u talking to?

Nah - from Occupied Kashmir (Baramulla). Stuck with Indian passport for time being but support Pakistan.

meri jan i m pakistani and tejas is diarrhoea of DRDO

 

[ashok321]

Tejas is not a failure in 2 words.

Arihant is.
Facing teething trouble.
In the ICU, but not in comatose.
Russian medicos (specialists) are attending.