Was British Empire forced to leave or not?

[Myth_buster_1]

99.99 Pakistanis and Indians will believe in a myth that British Empire was forced to leave however the reality is different from this misconception.
British authority began to be challenged in late 1800s when Indian intellectuals started to demand for wrights. This struggle movement was backed by British support because they wanted to (analogy) Romanize their empire by having the people do what the Romans would want to. Why force the people to do something when you can control them with your ideas? (This may not be interest to Indian Hindus) The concept of democratic nation was introduced and evolved by the British empire which gave birth to almost every Muslim nation. It is a system based on British imperialists ideas.

If British Empire was ever threatened by Gandi or jinnah and their likes then why didnt they just slaughter them since they have been doing this for long period of time!

 

[Leader]

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[Wickerman]

99.99 Pakistanis and Indians will believe in a myth that British Empire was forced to leave however the reality is different from this misconception.
British authority began to be challenged in late 1800s when Indian intellectuals started to demand for wrights. This struggle movement was backed by British support because they wanted to (analogy) Romanize their empire by having the people do what the Romans would want to. Why force the people to do something when you can control them with your ideas? (This may not be interest to Indian Hindus) The concept of democratic nation was introduced and evolved by the British empire which gave birth to almost every Muslim nation. It is a system based on British imperialists ideas.

If British Empire was ever threatened by Gandi or jinnah and their likes then why didnt they just slaughter them since they have been doing this for long period of time!

I disagree. You completely ignore the World War 2 and its effects on the British Empire. The British were devastated in World War 2. It exposed their military weaknesses, financial weaknesses and there was no way that they could keep both countries of 300 million or more people subjugated any longer.

Gandhi and Jinnah, well I dont know about what Jinnah did, but atleast Gandhi, moved the masses. The 300 million people were completely behind Gandhi (for the most part atleast). If they had killed Gandhi or Jinnah, the British would have had hell to pay. So it wouldnt have been a wise decision. BTW how are the British controlling us through their "ideas" TODAY ? This would have worked only if they had retained their superpower status. But WW2 completely destroyed their status as a superpower.

 

[JonAsad]

Yup- i buy world war 2 after effects on british empire theory- we got lucky-

 

[Nair saab]

In reality Both Gandi & Jinnah was a British Puppet... they where Funded by the british so the Frustration of the common man didnt get our of hand... so that people dont take up violence for the countries freedom ...

The british ensured the people take up a political way to get freedom which was the delaying tactics of the british to rule for few more years before they give freedom...

They people who we worship today as our freedom Fighter r British boot lickers ...

How can u people forget Gandi who was against taking up violence against the British rule himself rallied But asked every mother to give there sons to fight for British in world war 2...

He was asking Indians to take up arms to fight a britishers war But was against Indians doing same in there own country against the British rule in India... this a proof that he was a british Puppet

& Jinnah himself has several time asked british not leave India giving the power in the Hands of COngress... so he was not different from Gandi...

the true freedom Fighters where Bose & Bhagat singh ...

 

[Tshering22]

The reason why British "left" was because Luftwaffe had almost destroyed UK until US had come to their rescue.

The Brits feared that they'd be left in a hostile gigantic colony with no home to return.

If someone believes that Gandhi gave freedom to the country, he's living in Congressi lala land.

 

[Wickerman]

In reality Both Gandi & Jinnah was a British Puppet... they where Funded by the british so the Frustration of the common man didnt get our of hand... so that people dont take up violence for the countries freedom ...

The british ensured the people take up a political way to get freedom which was the delaying tactics of the british to rule for few more years before they give freedom...

They people who we worship today as our freedom Fighter r British boot lickers ...

How can u people forget Gandi who was against taking up violence against the British rule himself rallied But asked every mother to give there sons to fight for British in world war 2...

He was asking Indians to take up arms to fight a britishers war But was against Indians doing same in there own country against the British rule in India... this a proof that he was a british Puppet

& Jinnah himself has several time asked british not leave India giving the power in the Hands of COngress... so he was not different from Gandi...

the true freedom Fighters where Bose & Bhagat singh ...

I dont know if what you said is a conspiracy theory, or reality.

But regarding the two bolded parts above, what did Bose and Bhagat Singh achieve? Bhagat Singh was branded a terrorist and hung. Bose went and fought for the Nazis, not because he believed in Hitler's ideology, but because he used the "enemy of an enemy is a friend" tactic. But still, he didnt really achieve freedom for us.

Secondly, freedom from colonialism is indeed a political movement. It is not war. We were in no position to actually wage war. Our own society was divided in the form of caste, religion, princely states etc., We wouldnt have been able to pull a "Turkey" here.

 

[JonAsad]

& Jinnah himself has several time asked british not leave India giving the power in the Hands of COngress... so he was not different from Gandi...

the true freedom Fighters where Bose & Bhagat singh ...

You do not have to drag Jinnah in rediculing gandhi- for me i dont care what that alleged homosexual or pro nazi gandhi was-

While Jinnah along with muslims does not wanted the british to leave power to just hindus- that doesnt make him british puppet but you a fool in thinking so-

And you support the terrorist bhagat singh that shows your character-

 

[scorpionx]

I dont know if what you said is a conspiracy theory, or reality.

But regarding the two bolded parts above, what did Bose and Bhagat Singh achieve? Bhagat Singh was branded a terrorist and hung. Bose went and fought for the Nazis, not because he believed in Hitler's ideology, but because he used the "enemy of an enemy is a friend" tactic. But still, he didnt really achieve freedom for us.

Secondly, freedom from colonialism is indeed a political movement. It is not war. We were in no position to actually wage war. Our own society was divided in the form of caste, religion, princely states etc., We wouldnt have been able to pull a "Turkey" here.

Bose did not fought for Nazis. His sole aim was to make the British out of the subcontinent. Nothing else. Yes he achieved nothing,nor he intended to achieve anything for himself,what he could have achieved after bagging fourth position in prestigious civil service examination. But he chose the harder way unlike many popular leaders of his time.

 

[Wickerman]

Bose did not fought for Nazis. His sole aim was to make the British out of the subcontinent. Nothing else. Yes he achieved nothing,nor he intended to achieve anything for himself,what he could have achieved after bagging fourth position in prestigious civil service examination. But he chose the harder way unlike many popular leaders of his time.

He did dude. Look up "Indian Legion". The British Indian soldiers who were captured in North Africa, were organized into a group called the Indian Legion, commanded by Bose and were attached to the Wehrmacht. Bose went and met Hitler, cuz Hitler was obviously fighting the British and he wanted to fight the British too. So he fought in the Wehrmacht because he considered "an enemy of my enemy is my friend".

 

[Nair saab]

I dont know if what you said is a conspiracy theory, or reality.

But regarding the two bolded parts above, what did Bose and Bhagat Singh achieve? Bhagat Singh was branded a terrorist and hung. Bose went and fought for the Nazis, not because he believed in Hitler's ideology, but because he used the "enemy of an enemy is a friend" tactic. But still, he didnt really achieve freedom for us.

Secondly, freedom from colonialism is indeed a political movement. It is not war. We were in no position to actually wage war. Our own society was divided in the form of caste, religion, princely states etc., We wouldnt have been able to pull a "Turkey" here.

Gandi was a racist rascal ... worthless penny produced by mother India who allowed to suppress Indian anger by asking to take non violence ...

If he was alive patriotic Indian would have shot him 100 times...

the Royal air force & Royal Navy mutiny was the real reason behind British leaving India... after it the British suspected the loyality of British armed forces they though a repeat of 1857 would take place ... & unlike then, they where weak now after world war 2...

& the reason for this Mutiny was INA trials also known as Red fort trial of the officers who fought against the British empire in the army of subas chandra bose(INA)... the main accused were Colonel Prem Sahgal, Colonel Gurubaksh Singh Dhillon and Major General Shah Nawaz Khan...

both Jinnah & gandhi was afraid that they will loose the brownie point in Indian political system if the Mutiny got stronger & spread among the masses... so both stood with the britishers to crush this mutiny ...

these soldiers ,officers & sailors where never allowed in respective navies of both India & Pakistan even after getting independence ...

Britishers didnt give freedom they just left India after sucking the blood of Indians in 2 wars & leaving the pulp behind in the Hands of worthless leaders who till today r milking the country...

 

[neokautilya2]

Gandi was a racist rascal ... worthless penny produced by mother India who allowed to suppress Indian anger by asking to take non violence ...

If he was alive patriotic Indian would have shot him 100 times...

the Royal air force & Royal Navy mutiny was the real reason behind British leaving India... after it the British suspected the loyality of British armed forces they though a repeat of 1857 would take place ... & unlike then, they where weak now after world war 2...

& the reason for this Mutiny was INA trials also known as Red fort trial of the officers who fought against the British empire in the army of subas chandra bose(INA)... the main accused were Colonel Prem Sahgal, Colonel Gurubaksh Singh Dhillon and Major General Shah Nawaz Khan...

both Jinnah & gandhi was afraid that they will loose the brownie point in Indian political system if the Mutiny got stronger & spread the masses... so both stood with the britishers to crush this mutiny ...

these soldiers ,officers & sailors where never allowed in respective navies of both India & Pakistan even after getting independence ...

Britishers didnt give freedom they just left India after sucking the blood of Indians in 2 wars & leaving the pulp behind in the Hands of worthless leaders who till today r milking the country...

agree with ur most of the points...... but dont put him in the same league as jinnah

 

[scorpionx]

He did dude. Look up "Indian Legion". The British Indian soldiers who were captured in North Africa, were organized into a group called the Indian Legion, commanded by Bose and were attached to the Wehrmacht. Bose went and met Hitler, cuz Hitler was obviously fighting the British and he wanted to fight the British too. So he fought in the Wehrmacht because he considered "an enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Bose fought for Germany in west? To me its a no.
Bose fought for Japan in the East? To me again no.
Bose fought for Independence of India? For me yes.

When you read about a personality,his education,lectures and ideology, a vague picture of him keeps forming in your mind. His statement was very clear and crystal and never bended before anybody.Even today the Japanese of WW II times takes his name with enormous respect. And who will forget his famous comment about Hitler "Tell His Excellency that I have been in politics all my life and that I do not need advice from any side." Do you think this man will fight for Nazis or for his own nation?

 

[Wickerman]

Gandi was a racist rascal ... worthless penny produced by mother India who allowed to suppress Indian anger by asking to take non violence ...

If he was alive patriotic Indian would have shot him 100 times...

the Royal air force & Royal Navy mutiny was the real reason behind British leaving India... after it the British suspected the loyality of British armed forces they though a repeat of 1857 would take place ... & unlike then, they where weak now after world war 2...

& the reason for this Mutiny was INA trials also known as Red fort trial of the officers who fought against the British empire in the army of subas chandra bose(INA)... the main accused were Colonel Prem Sahgal, Colonel Gurubaksh Singh Dhillon and Major General Shah Nawaz Khan...

both Jinnah & gandhi was afraid that they will loose the brownie point in Indian political system if the Mutiny got stronger & spread among the masses... so both stood with the britishers to crush this mutiny ...

these soldiers ,officers & sailors where never allowed in respective navies of both India & Pakistan even after getting independence ...

Britishers didnt give freedom they just left India after sucking the blood of Indians in 2 wars & leaving the pulp behind in the Hands of worthless leaders who till today r milking the country...

You seem to have a nationalistic stance on the issue. I dont share the view, however I consider myself a patriot. I agree with the last part though that these worthless politicians who are products of the colonial history are sucking India dry in the form of corruption and what not.

But I certainly dont agree with the bolded part above. Things transpired the way they did, and people in those times did what they felt was the best way to deal with that situation. Remember you or I dont know what it is to be in Gandhi's position. He probably played the winning game, and if he did, I dont blame him for it.

 

[Nair saab]

agree with ur most of the points...... but dont put him in the same league as jinnah

jinnah is actually better then Him... he atleast give that to his people what they wanted a Islamic country what did Hindus get a SICKular Country where Hindus r treated as second class citizens...

Even though jinnah didnt give freedom to Pakistan from british rule but he gave Pakistan freedom from Congress rule... if he was alive i am sure Pakistan would have been a better place ...