Wary of China, India offers Akash surface-to-air missile systems to Vietnam

[Pangu]

The headline doesn't make sense, wary of China, therefore sell to Vietnam? Lol, c'mon, you guys can make come up with a better sales pitch. no?

 

[Beast]

25km for a missile that size seems very limited. That's the range of the AIM-120B on the NASAMS HML, which is far smaller.

Using AIM-120C the range is pushed out to 30-40km and AMRAAM-ER, an ESSM-AMRAAM hybrid pushed the range out even further, to about 50-60km. AIM-9X Block II can also be used, but has a range of roughly 15km max.

Akash is comparable to Kub which it externally resembles, but is completely outclassed in range by Kub's successor Buk and its subsequent variants like Buk-M2 which doubled the range.

Buk is also smaller and has a larger warhead then either Kub or Akash.

I dunno. Akash's range seems very limited for a missile that size in this day and age. That was normal in the 70s when Kub first came on-line, but missiles have gotten smaller and their ranges extended since then without sacrificing lethality.

India just started out making SAM. Of course the gap in technology and performance is obvious but every newcomer needs to start from somewhere. Maybe after 20 years, India can field a domestic made SAM with similar performance to S-300 or Patriot.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

In a TIT-For-TAT move to China, India offers to supply Akash missile systems to Vietnam
India is now actively discussing the possible sale of the indigenously developed Akash surface-to-air missile systems+ to Vietnam, even as the two countries steadily crank up their bilateral military ties with a watchful eye on a confrontational China in the Asia-Pacific region.

With Beijing continuing to thwart New Delhi's bid to join the 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group and get Jaish-e-Muhammed chief Masood Azhar+ designated a terrorist by the UN, while also stepping up its naval forays into the Indian Ocean Region, India is responding by fast-tracking military ties with countries in China's own backyard. The expanding "strategic and military partnership" with Japan and Vietnam, in particular, has emerged a major thrust area.

Sources say the discussions under way with Vietnam on the Akash area defence missiles, which have an interception range of 25-km against hostile aircraft, helicopters and drones, come after India earlier offered BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles+ and Varunastra anti-submarine torpedoes to the country.

India, of course, will also begin training Vietnamese fighter pilots on its Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets from this year, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the intricate art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last three years, as reported earlier by TOI.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar says Vietnam "is a close friend" and several initiatives are in progress to further boost bilateral defence cooperation, ranging from help in upgrade of military equipment of the Vietnamese forces to training them on fighters and submarines.

All this comes in the backdrop of India and Vietnam deciding to "elevate" their "strategic partnership", which was established in July 2007, into a "comprehensive strategic partnership" during PM Narendra Modi's visit to Hanoi in September 2016.

Sources said Vietnam has shown "deep interest" in the acquisition of Akash missiles, asking for transfer of technology and joint production of the air defence system.

India, however, thinks it has to be an incremental process, with an initial off-the-shelf purchase followed by transfer of technology in maintenance and other areas.

"Talks are in progress to arrive at a common plan. It's relatively easier on the Akash front since the missile system is 96% indigenous," said a source. The two defence secretaries, incidentally, are slated to meet soon to identify the military projects and equipment under the new $500 million defence line of credit announced by Modi in September.

On other fronts, however, India is fast expanding its military training, technology sharing, joint exercises, visits and exchange of experts with Vietnam. Faced with a belligerent China, Vietnam too has been strengthening its military capabilities by inducting Kilo-class submarines and Sukhoi fighters from Russia, both of which have been operated by Indian armed forces for years.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...l-military-relations/articleshow/56410196.cms

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Very good news. PR China has nothing to fear. This is for pirates in the South China sea.

 

[rott]

NEW DELHI: India is now actively discussing the possible sale of the indigenously developed Akash surface-to-air missile systems to Vietnam, even as the two countries steadily crank up their bilateral military ties with a watchful eye on a confrontational China in the Asia-Pacific region.
With Beijing continuing to thwart New Delhi's bid to join the 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group and get Jaish-e-Muhammed chief Masood Azhar designated a terrorist by the UN, while also stepping up its naval forays into the Indian Ocean Region, India is responding by fast-tracking military ties with countries in China's own backyard. The expanding "strategic and military partnership" with Japan and Vietnam, in particular, has emerged a major thrust area.

Sources say the discussions under way with Vietnam on the Akash area defence missiles, which have an interception range of 25-km against hostile aircraft, helicopters and drones, come after India earlier offered BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles and Varunastra anti-submarine torpedoes to the country.

India, of course, will also begin training Vietnamese fighter pilots on its Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets from this year, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the intricate art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last three years, as reported earlier by TOI.
Defence minister Manohar Parrikar says Vietnam "is a close friend" and several initiatives are in progress to further boost bilateral defence cooperation, ranging from help in upgrade of military equipment of the Vietnamese forces to training them on fighters and submarines.
All this comes in the backdrop of India and Vietnam deciding to "elevate" their "strategic partnership", which was established in July 2007, into a "comprehensive strategic partnership" during PM Narendra Modi's visit to Hanoi in September 2016.
Sources said Vietnam has shown "deep interest" in the acquisition of Akash missiles, asking for transfer of technology and joint production of the air defence system.
India, however, thinks it has to be an incremental process, with an initial off-the-shelf purchase followed by transfer of technology in maintenance and other areas.
"Talks are in progress to arrive at a common plan. It's relatively easier on the Akash front since the missile system is 96% indigenous," said a source. The two defence secretaries, incidentally, are slated to meet soon to identify the military projects and equipment under the new $500 million defence line of credit announced by Modi in September.
But it will be more complicated to sell the 290-km range BrahMos — or transfer technology — to Vietnam because the missiles are produced here under a joint Indo-Russian venture. BrahMos missiles still have an import content of over 60% from Russia.
On other fronts, however, India is fast expanding its military training, technology sharing, joint exercises, visits and exchange of experts with Vietnam. Faced with a belligerent China, Vietnam too has been strengthening its military capabilities by inducting Kilo-class submarines and Sukhoi fighters from Russia, both of which have been operated by Indian armed forces for years.
It was in 2013 that India had kicked off the training of a large number of Vietnamese sailors in "comprehensive underwater combat operations'' in Navy submarine school INS Satavahana, Visakhapatnam.
Now, the training on Sukhois is all set to take off.

a chinese should be the last one to call stuff made by other countries "junk"

The junk that China makes propelled it to the second largest economy. What about India?
@lonelyman

 

[Guynextdoor2]

India just started out making SAM. Of course the gap in technology and performance is obvious but every newcomer needs to start from somewhere. Maybe after 20 years, India can field a domestic made SAM with similar performance to S-300 or Patriot.

Buddy- it's been 20 years since we inducted that SAM.....and it's considered better than Patriot 104.

 

[faithfulguy]

"India, of course, will also begin training Vietnamese fighter pilots on its Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets from this year, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the intricate art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last three years, as reported earlier by TOI."

If I'm Vietnam, I would want to learn how does an Indian Kilo exploded in the dock before I learn anything from the Indians.

 

[AMCA]

"India, of course, will also begin training Vietnamese fighter pilots on its Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets from this year, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the intricate art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last three years, as reported earlier by TOI."

If I'm Vietnam, I would do want to learn how does an Indian Kilo exploded in the dock before I learn anything from the Indians.

So all your Weapon systems have performed flawlessly that you have considered exporting it all, and all your sailors and pilots are on high with the Elixir of No Mistake? Good For you. The last thing a Vietnamese would want is a confused Chinese thinking about them, who himself is not sure if he is a Taiwanese or an American. Let Vietnam think for themselves.

If you have anything to comment or criticize about the weapon system. Go ahead.

 

[faithfulguy]

So all your Weapon systems have performed flawlessly that you have considered exporting it all, and all your sailors and pilots are on high with the Elixir of No Mistake? Good For you. The last thing a Vietnamese would want is a confused Chinese thinking about them, who himself is not sure if he is a Taiwanese or an American. Let Vietnam think for themselves.

If you have anything to comment or criticize about the weapon system. Go ahead.

Its common sense to know if India knows why a sub would explode in the dock if India is training Vietnam on how to operate Kilo. I'm saying this as a Taiwanese American and this is not a confusion. Anyway, it's always best to be safe and seeing how Indian ride trains, I'm not sure if India places priority on safety.

 

[AMCA]

Its common sense to know if India knows why a sub would explode in the dock if India is training Vietnam on how to operate Kilo. I'm saying this as a Taiwanese American and this is not a confusion. Anyway, it's always best to be safe and seeing how Indian ride trains, I'm not sure if India places priority on safety.

And How not so common sense is it that the experts from Vietnam would not have already thought about this before considering India as their option? Just because you are not sure, does not mean it is true.

 

[Beast]

Buddy- it's been 20 years since we inducted that SAM.....and it's considered better than Patriot 104.

DOnt kid yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akash_(missile) It only accept in 2010 with Mark 2. And a pathetic 30km range
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot Patriot missile version one has a range of 70km and is consider a true LRSAM.

My assessment is correct and not based on nationality chest beating.
India is 20years before fielding a comparable patriot SAM system.

 

[Penguin]

Will this be complete systems (including command-, radar-, launcher- and logistics vehicles? Or just missiles (implying use on or integration with 2K12 Kub / Sa-6 in Vietnamese service)?

 

[Beast]

hey jackass Akash is not supposed to be LR SAM . It is supposed to be medium ring. I said better than Patriot 104 (it's considered better in accuracy). Long Range SAM for us is S 400.

Do you even understand the SAM ring system? Or do you just pull posts out of your @$$ to troll.

Dont BS. You know accuracy this kind of thing Indian will love to brag with no facts to back up. But when comes to range, Indian has no answer to claim your Akash is better. As I say, my assessment still stands. Indian is far behind but as I say somebody still needs to start some where even its obsolete. Congratulation for building a domestic SAM but trying to offer this obsolete to Vietnam is simply a joke!

 

[randomradio]

India just started out making SAM. Of course the gap in technology and performance is obvious but every newcomer needs to start from somewhere. Maybe after 20 years, India can field a domestic made SAM with similar performance to S-300 or Patriot.

Our BMD surpasses both S-300 and Patriot.

 

[lonelyman]

DOnt kid yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akash_(missile) It only accept in 2010 with Mark 2. And a pathetic 30km range
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot Patriot missile version one has a range of 70km and is consider a true LRSAM.

My assessment is correct and not based on nationality chest beating.
India is 20years before fielding a comparable patriot SAM system.

Indian junk, fat and bulky like a ballistic missile with such a short leg distance, viets would be crazy to buy these garbage