War Scenario : India attacks Terrorist Camps In Pak-Occ-Kashmir

[DeathGod]

Hello friends

I am starting this thread to analyze/debate possible situation & consequence of Indian land forces attacking terrorist camps in Pakistan occupied Kashmir. ( Surgical Strikes are not included in this analysis).

Year 2015

Trigger:LeT terrorist carry out heinous operations in some of the major cities of India targeting civilian population.

Plan : India has been waiting for such kind of foul play and want to teach terrorists a lesson.Some brigades of IA have been deployed specifically for the purpose of ingressing into the very land where these terrorists are trained.

The plan calls for IA is to deploy its assets all along the border ( ala Cold Start in a day or two). This will serve as a deterrent for a full blown war and a decoy to a small conflict. As soon as assets are deployed massive air strikes are carried out including surgical strikes.
IN places itself tentatively close to Pakistan's water and gives an appearance of blockading Pakistan's major port in event of escalation. Troops are air-dropped while the land forces start making their way into Pakistan occupied Kashmir. On the day 5 of the assault with all its objectives achieved with the major cities of Pakistan occupied Kashmir captured,India calls a unilateral ceasefire.

Assumptions:
1. Pakistan cannot and doesn't go nuclear as the territory is a disputed one.

2.International pressure has been building on Pakistan for more than 5 years now and there is little she can do in terms of escalation.

3. India will procure all the equipment necessary for such an assault such as light artillery, attack helos and build a formidable armada and air force to acheive naval and aerial supremacy.

4. Pakistan's economy wont be able to support a major war.

Issues with the approach

1.Treacherous landscape

2. A small theater of operation will mean India will have to sacrifice its number advantage to a certain extent.

3. Pakistan can be suicidal and a full blown war can impact India's economy severely.

Major Advantages for India

1. Terrorist organizations cant have there camps in a disputed land but will have to shift to Pakistan's sovereign land to carry out their operations.

2. Improved standing in the world

If the operation doesn't succeed then the Sh*t will definitely hit the fan.

My question is:

Is such an operation possible? What are the other variables that must be kept in mind ( I haven't added a detailed view of logistics and landscape due to my lack of knowledge in the same but I know that these will be very important factors for India to succeed)

 

[Chappal Chor]

What are the other variables that must be kept in mind

Bhaia you forgot PA, PAF? they wont be sitting ducks. Surgical strikes are never a option.

Either it can with the consent of pakistan under the hood or over the hood but that cannot be practically done with hostility towards Pakistan.

Of course I do not deny the situation in which the PA being busy with other issues agrees on eliminating these guys by us followed by a media doldrums of blah blah but nothing without consent is possible without risking a full scale war.

 

[Imran Khan]

were is PAF PN PA in this senairio or we will never retreate .first of indian jet when inter pakistan whole ADA will welcome it on air border SAMs which hit your 2 jets and 1 hole in 1998 you forget then our 10 subs will welcome you guys when you cross the borders you forget harpoons and eme exocts c206 and 208s pc3s and missile boats frigates will rain of missiles .even we dont go nuclear we can reply with very badly you know ranges of missiles babur raad and h-4??? standoff bombs we make in our country and laser gided and JDAMS BVR AIM-120? your whole front line bases will rained with baburs and then you wake up from sleep? why you indian dreams which will never fillfull in your lifes?.

 

[DeathGod]

What are the other variables that must be kept in mind

Bhaia you forgot PA, PAF? they wont be sitting ducks. Surgical strikes are never a option.

Either it can with the consent of pakistan under the hood or over the hood but that cannot be practically done with hostility towards Pakistan.

Of course I do not deny the situation in which the PA being busy with other issues agrees on eliminating these guys by us followed by a media doldrums of blah blah but nothing without consent is possible without risking a full scale war.

I never did forget them sir. But if the plan in made to circumvent them ( take them in a position where they can fight back with only limited ability) then its possible. Requires some shrewd planning. As far as PAF goes I dont think they will not have sufficient numbers of aircrafts with BVR to challenge IAF. For PA to render somewhat of a lesser value we have to strike swift and hard. We aint going to go against whole of PA and PAF . We will surprise them, occupy the territory and then sit and defend till the world powers call for ceasefire.

Surgical strikes are a waste of time. Those terrorists will erect their camps again and this time in caves in the mountains. India needs to occupy ( if Pakistan doesnt deal with terrorism) the areas where these terrorists are bred.

 

[DeathGod]

were is PAF PN PA in this senairio or we will never retreate .first of indian jet when inter pakistan whole ADA will welcome it on air border SAMs which hit your 2 jets and 1 hole in 1998 you forget then our 10 subs will welcome you guys when you cross the borders you forget harpoons and eme exocts c206 and 208s pc3s and missile boats frigates will rain of missiles .even we dont go nuclear we can reply with very badly you know ranges of missiles babur raad and h-4??? standoff bombs we make in our country and laser gided and JDAMS BVR AIM-120? your whole front line bases will rained with baburs and then you wake up from sleep? why you indian dreams which will never fillfull in your lifes?.

For all this to happen Pakistan will need to deploy her assets, if India acts swiftly and decicively then the operation will be over before Pakistan forces get a chance to retailiate on a bigger scale. Pakistan doesnt have a structure where rapid deployment is possible.Major weapons of India will be surprise , speed and firepower.

You have the right to disagree and I am not dreaming but simply analyzing the possible scenario and its consequences. We dont need to loose our cool here.

 

[Chappal Chor]

were is PAF PN PA in this senairio or we will never retreate .first of indian jet when inter pakistan whole ADA will welcome it on air border SAMs which hit your 2 jets and 1 hole in 1998 you forget then our 10 subs will welcome you guys when you cross the borders you forget harpoons and eme exocts c206 and 208s pc3s and missile boats frigates will rain of missiles .even we dont go nuclear we can reply with very badly you know ranges of missiles babur raad and h-4??? standoff bombs we make in our country and laser gided and JDAMS BVR AIM-120? your whole front line bases will rained with baburs and then you wake up from sleep? why you indian dreams which will never fillfull in your lifes?.

Imran even in such a scenerio Pakistan will refrain from usng baburs and other nuclear capable missiles because they can easily be mistook for nuclear one.

 

[Imran Khan]

I never did forget them sir. But if the plan in made to circumvent them ( take them in a position where they can fight back with only limited ability) then its possible. Requires some shrewd planning. As far as PAF goes I dont think they will have sufficient numbers of aircrafts with BVR to challenge IAF. For PA to render somewhat of a lesser value we have to strike swift and hard. We aint going to go against whole of PA and PAF . We will surprise them, occupy the territory and then sit and defend till the world powers call for ceasefire.

Surgical strikes are waste to time. Those terrorists will erect their camps again and this time in caves in the mountains. India needs to occupy ( if Pakistan doesnt deal with terrorism) the areas where these terrorists are bred.

as i remem ber 120 mirages have bvrs f-16 have bvrs and jf-17 is geting bver? show you indian link pakistan made BVRs?


you forget this baby?????? made in pakistan.



Pak Air Force inducts BVR missiles

http://www.expressindia.com/news/ful...p?newsid=26943


for PA you stike hard or soft they kick hard every enemy remember them they are waiting for you.and for india our forces have tons of waipons .

india need to occopy what???????? wet dream ever come occopy 1 inch delhi will shake with 200kilo ton nuke.

 

[Chappal Chor]

wet dream ever come occopy 1 inch delhi will shake with 200kilo ton nuke.

Nopes nuking delhi wont serve any pupose. That would be just cause for civilian deaths nothing more than that. none of the objectives would be achieved apart from escalating tensions to the nuclear level.

 

[navtrek]

were is PAF PN PA in this senairio or we will never retreate .first of indian jet when inter pakistan whole ADA will welcome it on air border SAMs which hit your 2 jets and 1 hole in 1998 you forget then our 10 subs will welcome you guys when you cross the borders you forget harpoons and eme exocts c206 and 208s pc3s and missile boats frigates will rain of missiles .even we dont go nuclear we can reply with very badly you know ranges of missiles babur raad and h-4??? standoff bombs we make in our country and laser gided and JDAMS BVR AIM-120? your whole front line bases will rained with baburs and then you wake up from sleep? why you indian dreams which will never fillfull in your lifes?.

Actually agree with what u say,

but before 1971 everyone thought that kind of a win for India was a dream but after that well rest is history.

India will not exercise such an option even if we do it will be only when there is anarchy in Pakistan.

Why risk a war, When we can just use diplomacy.

 

[Imran Khan]

For all this to happen Pakistan will need to deploy her assets, if India acts swiftly and decicively then the operation will be over before Pakistan forces get a chance to retailiate on a bigger scale. Pakistan doesnt have a structure where rapid deployment is possible.Major weapons of India will be surprise , speed and firepower.

You have the right to disagree and I am not dreaming but simply analyzing the possible scenario and its consequences. We dont need to loose our cool here.

hi baby wet drean you forget awacs and ANQ TPS 77 of pakistan for air

border forces always there they never go home because when war will come they will come to border or border is 1000 miles away?
and mint it our sturcture is best then yours go check again in documentryes and series of ispr shows.just one qes from you.WHEN WE HAVE ENEMY LIKE YOU WE CAN SLEEP TIGHT AND OUR GHO DON'T KNOW ABUT THIS????????/ I THINK YOU UNDERUSTIMATE THEM.

 

[DeathGod]

as i remem ber 120 mirages have bvrs f-16 have bvrs and jf-17 is geting bver? show you indian link pakistan made BVRs?

Pak Air Force inducts BVR missiles

for PA you stike hard or soft they kick hard every enemy remember them they are waiting for you.and for india our forces have tons of waipons .

india need to occopy what???????? wet dream ever come occopy 1 inch delhi will shake with 200kilo ton nuke.

How long can those old mirages serve? In 2015 they will be quite old and I wonder their if their sorty rate will be less than 1 per day. Comparing that with IAF I would say PAF doesnt stand too much ground on BVR terms. Also BVR has been recently inducted and PAF will take time to learn its use.

For starters you dont have ability to produce a 200 ton nuke. Secondly India wont occupy Pakistan but a disputed territory known as Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Sir please try to bring in relevant variables into the equation and lets hope that we dont derail this threat by posting rheotorical statements

 

[Imran Khan]

Actually agree with what u say,

but before 1971 everyone thought that kind of a win for India was a dream but after that well rest is history.

India will not exercise such an option even if we do it will be only when there is anarchy in Pakistan.

Why risk a war, When we can just use diplomacy.

BRO yes india win 71 not for 1 resin that they fight but much much more .its 2010 nation can make mistake 1 times secend mistake issucide are you think now PA PAF PN is same?.they changes 360digree after losed.

 

[Imran Khan]

How long can those old mirages serve? In 2015 they will be quite old and I wonder their if their sorty rate will be less than 1 per day. Comparing that with IAF I would say PAF doesnt stand too much ground on BVR terms. Also BVR has been recently inducted and PAF will take time to learn its use.

For starters you dont have ability to produce a 200 ton nuke. Secondly India wont occupy Pakistan but a disputed territory known as Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Sir please try to bring in relevant variables into the equation and lets hope that we dont derail this threat by posting rheotorical statements

yes in 2015 we have 200 bvrs posibly 1000h-4 500 AIMC5 and 500 sd-10 so fight now dont wait.or bvr is god of war for you not for us.

 

[topjumper]

Oh dear, looks like someone just poked a beehive,

expect the war of words grow here...

 

[DeathGod]

hi baby wet drean you forget awacs and ANQ TPS 77 of pakistan for air

border forces always there they never go home because when war will come they will come to border or border is 1000 miles away?
and mint it our sturcture is best then yours go check again in documentryes and series of ispr shows.just one qes from you.WHEN WE HAVE ENEMY LIKE YOU WE CAN SLEEP TIGHT AND OUR GHO DON'T KNOW ABUT THIS????????/ I THINK YOU UNDERUSTIMATE THEM.

Arey bhai its not about underestimating anyone and certainly I dont underestimate anybody let alone an adversary. That is why time and again I am stressing on three crucial factors necessary which are surprise , speed and firepower.

With most of PA deployed against the IA over the length of the border , the PA lines in Pakistan occupied Kashmir will be relatively thin and also due to tough terrain there PA wont be expecting a major thrust coming from that direction.