War is Coming | Amidst escalating tensions, Pakistan weighs its options

[krash]

Question, is there any actual proof that "specialist troops of the Pakistan Army" carried out this attack? (As per the statement of India's defence minister).

And if so, where is it?

Has their ever been? Except that the surviving soldier(s) always saw them wearing PA or SSG uniforms, probably with their company badges, driver's licences and birth certificates stapled to their chests. Sadly, the PA still hasn't learnt how to wear non-uniform clothing, mostly because they believe that not only does the color of the uniform make the color of their eyes pop but it also has a slimming effect.

In other cases where their have been no Indian survivors the Indian government has relied on the age old tested method of omens.

 

[RescueRanger]

Question: Is there any actual proof that "specialist troops of the Pakistan Army" carried out this attack?
And if so, where is it?

Dad's army horesy clip - YouTube

 

[INDIC]

Their minister said it was carried out by "militants".

He didn't use the word militant.

 

[HRK]

It has been foretold Indian army would attack Pakistani Kashmir from Upper jhelum. ( there is a river named river Tawi which is above jalalpur jaata, from there Indian army will cross and attack Pakistan)

where did you read it my dear.....though..sound reasonable as crossing LOC would not be the violation of International law regarding International Border.....

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We don't deal in facts or evidence we deal in 'narratives' that, when repeated a said amount of time, become Gospel Truths - the Israelis do that, the Americans do that, the Arabs do that & so does anyone else with half a working brain to churn out half decent Propaganda !

For such an attack there should be a wealth of physical evidence.

Even in the civilian world, for a basic 1-on-1 murder, there is so much evidence. If an entire squad killed another squad, there should be evidence everywhere.

Bullets, footprints, trajectories, anything that was dropped, DNA evidence (human beings drop hair all the time), Hell even video footage or satellite images.

So brother, which of the three would you choose - Wushu, Krav Maga or Akido ?

I'm such a Chinese nationalist lol, I'll always choose the Chinese option. So Wushu, and the style I learn specifically is Jeet Kune Do.

Though I respect Krav Maga, they actually took a lot of elements from Wing Chun and Thai Kickboxing which is very similar to Jeet Kune Do. The hybrid styles are the best I think, especially for casual learners.

 

[HRK]

Where is that ***** Marvi sarmad now? Where is her so called aman party and safma?

for me it not "AMAN KI ASHA lead by GEO TV its AMAN KI FAWHASHA"

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Their minister said it was carried out by "militants".

The Indian defence minister changed his statement, and is now specifically blaming "specialist troops of the Pakistan Army" for the attack.

It was in one of the links here.

Government amends statement on Poonch killings, warns Pak - The Hindu

Making a statement in both Houses of Parliament, Mr Antony sought to clarify that his earlier contention about the involvement of "terrorists along with persons dressed in Pakistan Army uniform" was based on information available at that time.

"Since then the Chief of Army Staff has visited the area and gone into the details of the matter," he said.

"It is now clear that specialist troops of the Pakistan Army were involved in the attack when a group from Pakistan occupied Kashmir (***) side crossed the LoC and killed our brave jawans," he said.

No proof of course, but like Armstrong said it's all about the narrative.

 

[RescueRanger]

for me it not "AMAN KI ASHA lead by GEO TV its AMAN KI FAWHASHA"

I swear i hate that fat ugly cow... I saw here once outside gloria jeans in Khosar Market, following the death of Mr. Taseer, she had a couple of supporters about 10, all innocent and well wishing except her...

She thought such a provocative gesture as holding a vigil for a slain minister killed by TTP supporters would make her a target and martyr too... Sadly, no one is interested in that fat ugly moronic imbecile.

 

[HRK]

because of Indian Non-Sense Pakistan's military now have complete authority and justification to move forces from the W < E borders... also woh kya hota hey bakwaas haan SUSPEND so called Chain of Command give all RIGHTS to Advance Defence to give on SPOT response if any kind of movement by Enemy forces on the border. *** mazak bana rakha hey apnay internal politics ke bakwaasyaat kay chakar may dunya ko ***** banatay rahtay hain ye Indian political dramaybaz... listen non-sense from last 10 years... without any concrete evidence always put blame on Pakistan... mujhe tu lagta hey ye bikram Singh nay apni pedaish ka b zemedar SSG aur ISI ko tehra dena hey kuch dino may!

If his family belongs to IOK....it is quit possible.....

 

[Armstrong]

For such an attack there should be a wealth of physical evidence.

Even in the civilian world, for a basic 1-on-1 murder, there is so much evidence. If an entire squad killed another squad, there should be evidence everywhere.

When was the last time 'evidence' came out of India over any such incident ? Its always there word against ours but because they're good at that sort of thing (the narrative peddling) & we're atrociously bad, because our strategic importance is much less than theirs & because we've had some massive goof ups in the past - There word is Gold....ours wouldn't even pass for trash these days !

If its evidence you seek - Then that would require an Investigation....an Impartial Investigation involving a 3rd Party like the UN or the Scotland Yard or perhaps some team from the ICJ - They'd never agree to that & the last time we proposed it...they took the stance that 'Pakistan is trying to Internationalize the Kashmir Issue'.

I'm such a Chinese nationalist lol, I'll always choose the Chinese option. So Wushu, and the school I learn specifically is Jeet Kune Do.

Though I respect Krav Maga, they actually took a lot of elements from Wing Chun and Thai Kickboxing which is very similar to Jeet Kune Do. The hybrid styles are the best I think.

Jeet Kune Do - I know about that, I saw a Brue Lee Documentary & unless I'm mistaken 'Jeet Kune Do' translated to English as 'the Way of the Intercepting Fist' !

I like Wushu - I can't use my legs...at all - I haven't the poise or the balance to land a proper kick without falling over myself in the process !

But Krav Maga is bad arse !

 

[Spring Onion]

The Indian defence minister changed his statement, and is now specifically blaming "specialist troops of the Pakistan Army" for the attack.

It was in one of the links here.

Government amends statement on Poonch killings, warns Pak - The Hindu



No proof of course, but like Armstrong said it's all about the narrative.

When you change your Initial Statement under pressure it means your second statement is false.

 

[Shahbaz6790]

Indians can never be our friends and can never think good for us

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Jeet Kune Do - I know about that, I saw a Brue Lee Documentary & unless I'm mistaken 'Jeet Kune Do' translated to English as 'the Way of the Intercepting Fist' !

I like Wushu - I can't use my legs...at all - I haven't the poise or the balance to land a proper kick without falling over myself in the process !

But Krav Maga is bad arse !

That's the one. I started around 10 years ago when I was younger, I picked it because I liked the philosophy, very similar to Krav Maga - of stripping out everything that was inefficient and being focused completely on the most basic and effective moves.

I was serious about it when I was younger, I even participated in some tournaments and did quite well. But lately I've been a lot more lazy, and have been practicing JKD more for "health/exercise" rather than anything else.

I would have liked to go for one of the older schools like Shaolin, but their training is so ridiculous and excessive, they just sort of beat you and expect you to get stronger. And it requires serious dedication and most of your free time, so yeah I decided not to go that route.

When you change your Initial Statement under pressure it means your second statement is false.

It is called a Freudian slip I believe. Basic psychology, the first statement blurted out is usually true. The corrected later statement is usually false.

Simply because it's easier/faster to tell the truth, whereas lying is more difficult because you have to think ahead and plan how to counter any questions.

 

[Armstrong]

That's the one. I started around 10 years ago when I was younger, I picked it because I liked the philosophy, very similar to Krav Maga - of stripping out everything that was inefficient and being focused completely on the most basic and effective moves.

I was serious about it when I was younger, I even participated in some tournaments and did quite well. But lately I've been a lot more lazy, and have been practicing JKD more for "health/exercise" rather than anything else.

I would have liked to go for one of the older schools like Shaolin, but their training is so ridiculous and excessive, they just sort of beat you and expect you to get stronger. And it requires serious dedication and most of your free time, so yeah I decided not to go that route.

Yeah mate, I've been thinking of learning one martial art or another because right now when I fight I fight like someone in a drunken haze - No finesse, no technique & most of all no brains - All brawns & so much anger !

Thankfully its been years since I had to fight (last time was in School) otherwise I'd have my buttt kicked !

But I tried my hand at Taekwando & something called Kyokushin Karate - 4 months of either showed me that the instructors here were either preparing me for some Stage Performance as part of some Musical or as part of some glorified Physical Education (PE) session !

So I quit & went back to just hitting the boxing (punching/heavy) bag as hard as I can using the hook, the upper-cut & the jab that I learned off watching Sony Liston, Ali, Smokin Joe Fraser or later Mikey 's fights !

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yeah mate, I've been thinking of learning one martial art or another because right now when I fight I fight like someone in a drunken haze - No finesse, no technique & most of all no brains - All brawns & so much anger !

But I tried my hand a Taekwando & something called Kyokushin Karate - 4 months of either showed me that the instructors here were either preparing me for some Stage Performance as part of some Musical or as part of some glorified Physical Education (PE) session !

So I quit & went back to just hitting the boxing (punching/heavy) bag as hard as I can using the hook, the upper-cut & the jab that I learned off watching Sony Liston, Ali, Smokin Joe Fraser or later Mikey 's fights !

Punching bags are great. Best exercise in the world.

I think you already have a high level of physical fitness, so you should be fine with any school of martial arts, just go for whichever one you prefer.

Plus, I don't think it would be easy to find a JKD instructor in Pakistan. The problem with Chinese martial arts (Wushu/Kungfu) is that it is split into so many different schools, so it becomes harder to find instructors for any specific one.

We're working on standardizing Wushu/Kungfu because we want it to be recognized as an Olympic sport one day, like Taekwando and Karate = which are Korean/Japanese bullsh*t.

(Just kidding, Taekwando and Karate are good martial arts styles ).