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War in Ukraine: Erdogan’s greatest challenge yet

Turkey would attempt to sit on the fence if conflict breaks out in Ukraine. But with domestic challenges rising at home, Recep Tayyip Erdogan may not be able to withstand the pressure from either Russia or NATO allies.

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Asli Aydıntaşbaş @asliaydintasbas on Twitter
Senior Policy Fellow


Commentary 14 January 2022

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Russian President Vladimir Putin with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Image byKremlin.ru

As the spectre of war in Ukraine looms over Europe, what individual NATO members do – or choose not to do – will have a geopolitical impact on how any conflict unfolds.

When it comes to Ukraine, Turkey is no ordinary NATO member. It has recently been selling armed drones to Kyiv – some of which the Ukrainian military has already used in Donbas, to great effect, against pro-Russian targets. Turkey is also a close ally of Russia, and a key trading partner – and Ankara has been careful not to step on Moscow’s toes across different conflict zones.

Under Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin, Turkey and Russia share much more than meets the eye. The two resurgent powers want to shake up the post-Soviet world order, they each have a disdain for liberal norms, and they both want a greater role on the world stage for their respective countries. Turkey and Russia have also developed a unique form of relationship, often dubbed “competitive cooperation,” whereby they back opposing sides in conflicts in Libya, Syria, and the South Caucasus but do so in a way that recognises each other’s expanding sphere of influence.

This unique relationship between Erdogan and Putin can be hard for Western countries to fully comprehend. In 2014, Turkey criticised the Russian invasion of Crimea but did not join the US-led sanctions against Russia. In 2017, Turkey signed a deal to buy the Russian-made S-400 missile system and, against American objections, received it in 2019, despite the threat of US sanctions.

No doubt Ankara will want to stay out of any military conflict with Russia over Ukraine. Despite its growing defence sales to Ukraine, its instinct will be to try to sit on the fence. In all likelihood, Ankara would join with its NATO partners in condemning a Russian invasion; but it would not go with them in imposing sanctions. Erdogan will aim to continue cooperation with Russia in Syria and in the economic sphere; but he would also step up engagement with NATO, with the aim of improving his global standing and reducing international criticism of him for his domestic conduct. This last point is becoming more important for the Turkish leader as a united opposition emerges against him and opinion polls show an anti-Erdogan majority.

This is a tough course to follow, though. If an invasion happens and NATO starts supplying weapons to the Ukrainian forces, would Ankara continue to deliver armed drones to Kyiv? Would it facilitate NATO access to the Black Sea? Would it slow its burgeoning relations with Russia?

It is too early to know the answers to these questions. But, given the significant leverage Russia has over Turkey in Syria, and over its tottering economy, Ankara would likely seek to do just enough to elevate its standing with NATO (and use this as an opportunity to improve ties with Washington) but less than what it would take to trigger a Russian reprisal.

Here is why. In Syria, Ankara depends on Moscow’s consent to continue to control the safe zone Turkish troops established after mounting successive incursions into the country. Russia controls the air space and everything else around. And it is largely Russia’s presence that holds together the fragile ceasefire in northern Syria between the Syrian opposition, the Syrian regime, Turkey, and the Syrian Kurds.

Turkey would therefore pay a huge price in Syria if Russia turned against it over its stance on Ukraine. For example, in Idlib, several million Syrians live in a safe haven run by the Syrian opposition, with Turkish support. But this part of the country is vulnerable to a regime offensive, should Russia sign off on this. It would only take a few sorties by the Syrian or the Russian air force to create panic among the Sunni population in Idlib and force millions of Syrians towards the Turkish border – something that Ankara cannot afford to have, given the presence of already four million Syrian refugees in Turkey and growing anti-Syrian sentiments among the public.

Russia also has great economic leverage over Turkey. In addition to the S-400s, Russia is building Turkey’s first nuclear reactor, it has recently constructed a pipeline underneath the Black Sea to Turkey, and it is supplying the bulk of Turkey’s natural gas. Despite Ankara’s desire for energy diversification, Turkish cities still need Russian natural gas to stay warm.

This does not mean Ankara is a Russian vassal or happy about this dependence on Moscow. But it does mean Turks will tread gingerly when it comes to Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Ankara also has a close relationship with Kyiv and has consistently supported the independence of Ukraine, Moldova, and other post-Soviet countries – in the much same way that the Ottomans sought to prevent Russian expansion for centuries, for example, aligning with Western powers against Russia in the Crimean war. Kemalist Turkey initially aligned itself with the Soviet Union but later sought to limit its influence by joining NATO in 1952.

Erdogan met Volodymyr Zelensky several times in 2021, and Ukraine has also purchased at least a dozen Bayraktar TB2 drones from Turkey – which eventually irritated Moscow enough to prompt a telephone conversation between Erdogan and Putin. Ukrainian firms have what Turkey’s defence industry lacks – know-how about how to produce diesel engines for Turkey’s ambitious defence projects, including tanks and fighter jets.

If an invasion happens, Turkey would be under pressure from NATO to keep supplying Ukraine with drones and other equipment. There might be demands for entry into and out of the Black Sea, controlled at the Bosporus by Turkey. And if Turkey wants an exemption from Western sanctions on Russia, it would be asked to do more to help an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine – which American officials have said they are prepared to support if diplomacy fails.

But, while Ukraine may be a useful partner for Turkey, and a good vehicle to improve Ankara’s troubled relations with NATO, from a Turkish perspective the country is not a strategic prize worth going to war over.

In the crucible of conflict, neither NATO nor Russia will appreciate Turkish ambiguity, and each will seek subtle ways to pressure Turkey to take a stand. Turkey has been here before – it attempted a similar approach in both the first and second world war, succeeding in the latter case but failing miserably and catastrophically in the first. Erdogan has in the past proven himself a master of such geopolitical balancing. But, with a weakened position at home and alienated partners abroad, a war in Ukraine would be his greatest challenge to date.

 
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I highly disagree with this. In case of a war with Ukraine, Russia's position in Syria will be severely weakened. Ankara cooperates with Russia in Syria because it wants to extract geopolitical concessions from Europe and Russia. If the Russians allowed the Syrians to launch an offensive, then Turkish drones would crush any Assad offensive, just like last time. The only reason why Assad's forces weren't wiped out was because Russia panicked and promised that the Syrians wouldn't do it again.

Russia only has air superiority in Syria, because Turkey allows it. Turkey can easily challenge Russian air supremacy, because Turkey has a bunch of air bases in the region, while Russia is dependent on logistical supply lines, and a very limited presence in Syria.
 
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I highly disagree with this. In case of a war with Ukraine, Russia's position in Syria will be severely weakened. Ankara cooperates with Russia in Syria because it wants to extract geopolitical concessions from Europe and Russia. If the Russians allowed the Syrians to launch an offensive, then Turkish drones would crush any Assad offensive, just like last time. The only reason why Assad's forces weren't wiped out was because Russia panicked and promised that the Syrians wouldn't do it again.

Russia only has air superiority in Syria, because Turkey allows it. Turkey can easily challenge Russian air supremacy, because Turkey has a bunch of air bases in the region, while Russia is dependent on logistical supply lines, and a very limited presence in Syria.
Turkey is angry because massive betrayal of the Syrian war and uprising. They are facing the exact same situation that Pak faced after Ist Afghan war. All promises from GCC to Europe are gone with the wind. Now Turkey alone has to suffer from economic dire straight to massive Kurdish build up in the backyard. The same partners who promise support to Turkey to invade Syria, now they invited Asad to join the Arab League again.
 
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I highly disagree with this. In case of a war with Ukraine, Russia's position in Syria will be severely weakened. Ankara cooperates with Russia in Syria because it wants to extract geopolitical concessions from Europe and Russia. If the Russians allowed the Syrians to launch an offensive, then Turkish drones would crush any Assad offensive, just like last time. The only reason why Assad's forces weren't wiped out was because Russia panicked and promised that the Syrians wouldn't do it again.

Russia only has air superiority in Syria, because Turkey allows it. Turkey can easily challenge Russian air supremacy, because Turkey has a bunch of air bases in the region, while Russia is dependent on logistical supply lines, and a very limited presence in Syria.

Last Assad offensive resulted in capture of M4 highway and Seraqib city by Syrian army, 2 weeks before that happened Erdogan promised to kick Assad back but could not stop him. Turkish drones didnt help him since they were wiped out of the skies within 3 days by Syrian air defense. Sorry for small reality check.
 
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Turkey is angry because massive betrayal of the Syrian war and uprising. They are facing the exact same situation that Pak faced after Ist Afghan war. All promises from GCC to Europe are gone with the wind. Now Turkey alone has to suffer from economic dire straight to massive Kurdish build up in the backyard. The same partners who promise support to Turkey to invade Syria, now they invited Asad to join the Arab League again.

Turkey made a big blunder when it joined the Syrian war on the side of rebels. The Syrian government/baath party/Assad were close to Turkey/Erdoğan, Syria wouldn't allow the rise of Kurdish independent rebels because they would become a threat to Syria so this was a win win situation for both Turkey and Syria. Since Turkey sided with the rebels and made the Syrian government weak, the Kurdish rebels have become powerful and Turkey has another destabilised border, Turkey thought Syrian government will collapse and MB and allies will be in power and become the allies of Turkey.
The Arab governments hated Assad but when they thought MB will be in power they all backed off and made mends with Assad, they also realised Russia is fully backing Assad and the war is useless.

Who do you think is the looser in Syria? Iran/Russia/Assad, Saudi Arabia/Israel/Gulf allies or Turkey?
Last Assad offensive resulted in capture of M4 highway and Seraqib city by Syrian army, 2 weeks before that happened Erdogan promised to kick Assad back but could not stop him. Turkish drones didnt help him since they were wiped out of the skies within 3 days by Syrian air defense. Sorry for small reality check.

Syrian SAA is battle hardened army but at the beginning of the war they collapsed, resulting in loosing all major cities until Russian help came. Was this because 40% of the SAA left Assad and joined the rebels?
 
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Last Assad offensive resulted in capture of M4 highway and Seraqib city by Syrian army, 2 weeks before that happened Erdogan promised to kick Assad back but could not stop him. Turkish drones didnt help him since they were wiped out of the skies within 3 days by Syrian air defense. Sorry for small reality check.
Yeah, no. They were not wiped out, your reality check is quite literally false/misleading.

The reason why the Syrians managed to capture them was due to the initial surprise attack. That won't happen again, and this time, turkey can and will go all out.

Turkish drones ruled the skies, and the Russians, along with the Syrians could do nothing about it. That's why Russia panicked and forced the Syrians to back off, because Turkey was on the verge of wiping them out completely.
 
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Hope people are aware that the article is written by a Turkish lady.
 
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If TR feels a direct threat, according to international law, it has the authority to completely close the straits (with airspace, of course). This will have two-dimensional consequences, firstly, the access of NATO ships to the Black Sea will be dissapear. Secondly, the logistical costs of Russia's security strategy in Syria, Libya and beyond will be multiplied. The aggressive attitude of one of the parties will cause TR to receive political support from the other wing. This is a factor that will enable TR to remain independent in the Russia-USA consolidation war.

The Ukrainian-Russian war (apart from the direct parties) could potentially harm Turkiye the most, even if it remained neutral. Because every decision that Turkiye will take will be a choice and every choice will bring a cost. On the other hand, it may present some opportunities for Turkiye, especially in East-Med, Syria, Armenia and even central asia issues.

Hope people are aware that the article is written by a Turkish lady.
A supporter of FETO and PKK, a liberal and Atlanticist journalist who has supported the 2010 constitutional amendment before by saying 'not enough but yes', but now circulates as an opponent. Apart from representing her own ideas and the US think tanks she is affiliated with, she does not have much in the Turkish public opinion.
 
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Yeah, no. They were not wiped out, your reality check is quite literally false/misleading.

The reason why the Syrians managed to capture them was due to the initial surprise attack. That won't happen again, and this time, turkey can and will go all out.

Turkish drones ruled the skies, and the Russians, along with the Syrians could do nothing about it. That's why Russia panicked and forced the Syrians to back off, because Turkey was on the verge of wiping them out completely.

There was no any Turkish drone in skies after Syrian army deployed air defence to Idlib and entered Seraqib second time.

Russia did not force Syrians to back off. Syrians took Seraqib and stayed where they were. Turkey failed to even stop Syrian offensive and capturing cities. What verge of wiping they were? LOL
 
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TR feels a direct threat, according to international law, it has the authority to completely close the straits (with airspace, of course). This will have two-dimensional consequences, firstly, the access of NATO ships to the Black Sea will be dissapear. Secondly, the logistical costs of Russia's security strategy in Syria, Libya and beyond will be multiplied. The aggressive attitude of one of the parties will cause TR to receive political support from the other wing. This is a factor that will enable TR to remain independent in the Russia-USA consolidation war.

The Ukrainian-Russian war (apart from the direct parties) could potentially harm Turkiye the most, even if it remained neutral. Because every decision that Turkiye will take will be a choice and every choice will bring a cost. On the other hand, it may present some opportunities for Turkiye, especially in East-Med, Syria, Armenia and even central asia issues.
Being neutral is the best Choice but in case of Turkey it really is a matter of can i be?

What you said makes Sense but hey, your country is a NATO member. Would they allow you to shut that Strait on the face of its member states?

So far Russians have avoided any war scenario counting on Pro Russian factors in Ukraine. The possibility of a war is almost Zero.


A supporter of FETO and PKK, a liberal and Atlanticist journalist who has supported the constitutional amendment before by saying 'not enough but yes', but now circulates as an opponent. Apart from representing her own ideas and the US think tanks she is affiliated with, she does not have much in the Turkish public opinion.
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Even though I find it pointless to bring the Idlib operation to the fore here, I would like to make a reminder: The two brigadier generals of the regime in charge of the region and 2 colonels who were considered to be involved in the attack on the Turkish base were fried by the UAV attacks. In the same clashes, many senior commanders of the regime-allied organizations were also neutralized. Elegant photographs of them all in coffins can be found on the Internet.

Due to the conditions at the beginning of 2020, the ground army leg of the operation could not start. Immediately after the ceasefire, a pandemic began to enter the world agenda.

And the EU, as always, got scared and retreated to its corner. The irony is that today the same EU is reaping what it has sown over the Ukraine tension. And they'll probably launch a massive media campaign to blame TR for Ukraine. I wouldn't be surprised if there are new embargoes as a result... lol

If the regime's offensive in Idlib had been successful, more than 1 million Syrians based on borders would have crossed the borders. For TR, the Idlib operation was not an attack, but a defense.It was reaction to a ground operation against the agreement towards the de-escalation zone, which had previously been agreed with the tripartite mechanism. Most of those responsible were killed, regime were give a military equivalent loss with the local elements in Idlib, the people of Idlib were kept in Idlib. Despite the claims of the regime side, 90 percent of the losses because of Turkish attacks have been proven with photographs and videos. Turkish-Russian joint patrol mechanism became guarantors of Aleppo-Latakia main road passing. Another consequence of the operation was that Turkiye now only deals with Russia in all matters with Syria.
 
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I highly disagree with this. In case of a war with Ukraine, Russia's position in Syria will be severely weakened. Ankara cooperates with Russia in Syria because it wants to extract geopolitical concessions from Europe and Russia. If the Russians allowed the Syrians to launch an offensive, then Turkish drones would crush any Assad offensive, just like last time. The only reason why Assad's forces weren't wiped out was because Russia panicked and promised that the Syrians wouldn't do it again.

Russia only has air superiority in Syria, because Turkey allows it. Turkey can easily challenge Russian air supremacy, because Turkey has a bunch of air bases in the region, while Russia is dependent on logistical supply lines, and a very limited presence in Syria.
Your analysis is base on a war between Turkey and Russia.

Yes, I agree Turkey has a military upper hand due to geography and logistics, while Russia relies heavily on Khmeimim Air Base and Tartus.

But Turkey will not challenge Russia directly, it's too risky. Turkey has NATO backing (on paper) for defensive actions not offensive one.

Yes, Turkey can bomb the Syria, but won't change the ground reality. It won't wipe out Syria ground force at all.

Turkey has played most of the cards on Syria issue since 2015, not very effective.
 
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Turkey is angry because massive betrayal of the Syrian war and uprising. They are facing the exact same situation that Pak faced after Ist Afghan war. All promises from GCC to Europe are gone with the wind. Now Turkey alone has to suffer from economic dire straight to massive Kurdish build up in the backyard. The same partners who promise support to Turkey to invade Syria, now they invited Asad to join the Arab League again.
Can't agree more.
 
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Last Assad offensive resulted in capture of M4 highway and Seraqib city by Syrian army, 2 weeks before that happened Erdogan promised to kick Assad back but could not stop him. Turkish drones didnt help him since they were wiped out of the skies within 3 days by Syrian air defense. Sorry for small reality check.


PUTIN - ROUHANI - ASSAD dreamed to take whole Idlib

RESULT : Turkish Armed Forces killed 3.322 Assad Regime militia including 6 generals and Iran backed terrorists in 4 days

also Turkish Armed Forces destroyed

3 UAVs
2 SU-24 Fighter Jets
1 L-39 Aircraft
8 Helicopters
8 Air Defense Systems
155 Tanks
51 Howitzers
52 MLRS
29 AFVs
68 Military Vehicles
15 Anti Tank Weapons
36 Pick-up mounted anti aircraft guns
49 Ammunition Trucks
10 Ammunition Storage
2 Missile Systems


Turkish TB-2 and ANKA-S UCAVs raped SAA+IRGC+Hezbol



There was no any Turkish drone in skies after Syrian army deployed air defence to Idlib and entered Seraqib second time.


Idlib is only 30 km away from Turkish border
and Turkish Airforce created no fly zone over Idlib

2 Syrian SU-24 Fighter Jets were shot down by Turkish F-16s from Turkish airspace

Russian Air Defense Systems even can not trace Turkish TB-2 UCAVs


Turkey only wants to secure its borders from ISIS , PKK-YPG , SAA and İran backed IRGC , Hezbol
nothing else
 
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