Want to deepen ties with China to get more leverage in dealings with India: Nepal PM

[Han Patriot]

Whatever dude, you have no idea about the relation between India and Nepal. All you see is some political comments. If India and Nepal close the open border that's it for Nepal economy. Others are just hot air.

Nepal is like a Mongolia, landlocked and depended. Chinese investment can do jack about the political influence India has over the government.

Do you know Nepal is trying to connect to the new Chinese railway and use Chinese ports?

lolz i could see the indian influence . india already blocked it 8 times .
maybe for now you have some impprtance for them but after railway tracks & connectivity with China . i doubt they will even listen to you . .

See his reaction? he is shivering at the thought of having Nepal connected to China. We just ended their RAW infested internet service monopoly.

China-Nepal Railway May Trigger Indian Response
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201712071059770746-china-nepal-railway-trigger-india-response/

With new Chinese link, Nepal ends India's internet monopoly
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...l-ends-indias-internet-monopoly-idUSKBN1F11JP

Nepal saves millions by printing banknotes in China
http://china.org.cn/china/Off_the_Wire/2017-02/14/content_40283540.htm

Indians have so many excuses to comfort themselves. It is so obvious Nepal is trying to be closer to China. =)

 

[Chhatrapati]

Do you know Nepal is trying to connect to the new Chinese railway and use Chinese ports?

Chinese port is hundreds of miles away. You guys are funny to think China will replace India in every way possible. Well, I got news for you.

And Indian currency is a legal tender in Nepal. (upto Rs.100)

 

[xyxmt]

Actually Kp Oli is so scared of India now he has desperately called Modi 3 times recently and even invited Indian army chief as chief guest.

Also the very first foreign dignitary/diplomat he met after winning were Indian foreign minister and Indian ambassador.

Plus the first foreign leader he invited to Nepal after winning is none other than Modi.

All these shows how desperate he is to be in Indian good books.

problem here is that news you get in India are totally different than what the world reads, and if we go news media that is a whole different story to tell and pulaos to cook

 

[The-Hack]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-with-india-nepal-pm/articleshow/62987744.cms

BEIJING: Nepal's new prime minister KP Oli has said he wants to deepen ties with China to explore more options and get more leverage in his dealings with India "in keeping with the times".

Oli, widely regarded as pro-China, also said he wants to "update" relations with India "in keeping with the times" and favours a review of all special provisions of the Indo-Nepal relations, including the long-established practice of Nepalese soldiers serving in India's armed forces.

"We have great connectivity with India and an open border. All that's fine and we'll increase connectivity even further, but we can]t forget that we have two neighbours. We don't want to depend on one country or have one option," he told Hong Kong's South China Morning Post in an interview.

About how he plans to work out relations with India, Oli said, "we've always had excellent relations with India. There were some elements in the Indian establishment that caused some misunderstanding, but Indian leaders have assured us that there will be no interference in the future and we will respect each other's sovereign rights".

Oli, 65, who had also served as the country's prime minister from October 11, 2015 to August 3, 2016, was forced to resign following the political crisis in the Himalayan nation over the Madhesi issue.

Madhesis, mostly of Indian-origin, had been demanding amendment of the new Constitution to address their concerns over representation in Parliament.

Before Oli's inauguration as the prime minister for the second time+ , external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj had visited Nepal and met him and other Left leaders. Prime Minister Narendra Modi also spoke to Oli.

About Nepalese serving in the Indian Army, Oli said, "This should be internally and mutually discussed and corrected, if necessary. We live in a new world, and Nepal is starting a new journey, we have to update whatever is considered outdated and bring it in line with the modern era."

Oli also said he would revive the China-backed $2.5 billion hydropower project which was scrapped by the previous government.

Expectations are high in China about Oli's government as he signed the Transit Treaty with Beijing during his first stint as Prime Minister in 2015 to end dependence on India for his landlocked country to revive the Budhi Gandaki project.

The dam project was scrapped by the previous government headed by Sher Bahadur Deuba citing irregularities.

China has been investing heavily in Nepal, blunting India's influence in the Himalayan country.

Oli justified his decision to build the dam with Chinese company saying that "our petroleum usage has been increasing but we import all of it. We urgently need to develop hydropower to reduce our dependence on petroleum."

He sees infrastructure development as an important means to narrow the distance with China, whose physical remoteness compared with next-door India is a hindrance to deeper Sino-Nepal relations, the paper said.

He also spoke about improving rail and road network between Nepal and China through Tibet.

"Once China brings its rail network up to Shigatse and then Kyirong in Tibet, it should be easy to extend it to Nepal. It has lower altitude than Tibet, and the terrain is actually sloping all the way down from Kyirong."

Very good and brave decision taken by Nepali pm........... things are changing so quickly in this era
Hopefully all things are going to be settled quite effectively.............. Specially the growing Indo-US relationships, India-Iran settlements, Saudi's-Pak Co-operation, Turkey-America tensions............... so on

 

[Han Patriot]

Chinese port is hundreds of miles away. You guys are funny to think China will replace India in every way possible. Well, I got news for you.

And Indian currency is a legal tender in Nepal. (upto Rs.100)c

Tibet get their goods from hundreds of miles away, the Chinese Euro CAR network deliver goods thousands of miles away. The production center of goods is in China, Chengdu/Chongqing is not far away, if Nepalis want to buy CHinese goods, it will need to travel 1000s of KMs to reach Indian ports. So which is more feasible now? =)

 

[Chhatrapati]

Tibet get their goods from hundreds of miles away, the Chinese Euro CAR network deliver goods thousands of miles away. The production center of goods is in China, Chengdu/Chongqing is not far away, if Nepalis want to buy CHinese goods, it will need to travel 1000s of KMs to reach Indian ports. So which is more feasible now? =)

Are you going to give Nepal fuel for free? I'll be glad then. Like I said, you have good plans to replace, I understand you want to replace India. But that's a far-fetched Idea and will remain so for political and cultural reasons. There are hundreds of thousands of Nepali working in India, and Indians in Nepal, so you can imagine, we have an open border. India and Nepal are economically so connected that, trying to leave it will only make things economically bad for Nepal. China is just scratching the surface.

 

[MultaniGuy]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-with-india-nepal-pm/articleshow/62987744.cms

BEIJING: Nepal's new prime minister KP Oli has said he wants to deepen ties with China to explore more options and get more leverage in his dealings with India "in keeping with the times".

Oli, widely regarded as pro-China, also said he wants to "update" relations with India "in keeping with the times" and favours a review of all special provisions of the Indo-Nepal relations, including the long-established practice of Nepalese soldiers serving in India's armed forces.

"We have great connectivity with India and an open border. All that's fine and we'll increase connectivity even further, but we can]t forget that we have two neighbours. We don't want to depend on one country or have one option," he told Hong Kong's South China Morning Post in an interview.

About how he plans to work out relations with India, Oli said, "we've always had excellent relations with India. There were some elements in the Indian establishment that caused some misunderstanding, but Indian leaders have assured us that there will be no interference in the future and we will respect each other's sovereign rights".

Oli, 65, who had also served as the country's prime minister from October 11, 2015 to August 3, 2016, was forced to resign following the political crisis in the Himalayan nation over the Madhesi issue.

Madhesis, mostly of Indian-origin, had been demanding amendment of the new Constitution to address their concerns over representation in Parliament.

Before Oli's inauguration as the prime minister for the second time+ , external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj had visited Nepal and met him and other Left leaders. Prime Minister Narendra Modi also spoke to Oli.

About Nepalese serving in the Indian Army, Oli said, "This should be internally and mutually discussed and corrected, if necessary. We live in a new world, and Nepal is starting a new journey, we have to update whatever is considered outdated and bring it in line with the modern era."

Oli also said he would revive the China-backed $2.5 billion hydropower project which was scrapped by the previous government.

Expectations are high in China about Oli's government as he signed the Transit Treaty with Beijing during his first stint as Prime Minister in 2015 to end dependence on India for his landlocked country to revive the Budhi Gandaki project.

The dam project was scrapped by the previous government headed by Sher Bahadur Deuba citing irregularities.

China has been investing heavily in Nepal, blunting India's influence in the Himalayan country.

Oli justified his decision to build the dam with Chinese company saying that "our petroleum usage has been increasing but we import all of it. We urgently need to develop hydropower to reduce our dependence on petroleum."

He sees infrastructure development as an important means to narrow the distance with China, whose physical remoteness compared with next-door India is a hindrance to deeper Sino-Nepal relations, the paper said.

He also spoke about improving rail and road network between Nepal and China through Tibet.

"Once China brings its rail network up to Shigatse and then Kyirong in Tibet, it should be easy to extend it to Nepal. It has lower altitude than Tibet, and the terrain is actually sloping all the way down from Kyirong."

Wise move by Nepal

 

[Han Patriot]

Are you going to give Nepal fuel for free? I'll be glad then. Like I said, you have good plans to replace, I understand you want to replace India. But that's a far-fetched Idea and will remain so for political and cultural reasons. There are hundreds of thousands of Nepali working in India, and Indians in Nepal, so you can imagine, we have an open border. India and Nepal are economically so connected that, trying to leave it will only make things economically bad for Nepal. China is just scratching the surface.

Why should it be free? We can sell fuel cheaper. Far fetched? Look at what happened in Maldives, Lanka and now Nepal? These countries chose to be our friend over India. You think we cannot provide an alternative to Nepalis? We have the industrial might and base which you don't have, and yes we have money. Chinese companies can open idustrial parks in Nepal, export the goods through EU using our EU railway bypassing India altogether, they don't even need to work in India. Of course we can't 100% cut off India, at least the Nepalis have got a choice. During the blockade, the Chinese highway helped Nepal survived. Imagine what a railway can do? =)

 

[Chhatrapati]

Why should it be free? We can sell fuel cheaper. Far fetched? Look at what happened in Maldives, Lanka and now Nepal? These countries chose to be our friend over India. You think we cannot provide an alternative to Nepalis? We have the industrial might and base which you don't have, and yes we have money. Chinese companies can open idustrial parks in Nepal, export the goods through EU using our EU railway bypassing India altogether, they don't even need to work in India. Of course we can't 100% cut off India, at least the Nepalis have got a choice. During the blockade, the Chinese highway helped Nepal survived. Imagine what a railway can do? =)

Really? What happened in the Maldives? Last time I check they signed an FTA and now there is an emergency. Sri Lanka? Rajapaksha is out. Even with all that, you are simply trying to play hard power too soon. How did trying to dock you sub went? You did once and that's it. Any significant impact of relation between Sri lanka or Nepal, none. I have to wait for maldives story.

You are simply quoting few incidents with these countries and feeling good about China gaining something high and mighty. And speaking of exporting to EU. Your own export to EU by rail turned out to be expensive. While the countries along the route are in debt trap. That's why EU is investigating it. And UAE has industrial parks in India, do you think UAE gained some influence over Indian policies? Will Nepal promised they will reduce oil imports from India? No. They are just gaining some Chinese investments. You are having an orgasm over it.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The only thing Nepal would have be dependent upon India is the usage of Indian ports for its energy needs. But if they can hookup with China, with China already linked with Russian oil and gas pipelines, Nepalese energy needs can be meet by Russian supplies. No need for Indian port access. Ofcourse this is all possible within OBOR framework.

 

[Han Patriot]

Really? What happened in the Maldives? Last time I check they signed an FTA and now there is an emergency. Sri Lanka? Rajapaksha is out. Even with all that, you are simply trying to play hard power too soon. How did trying to dock you sub went? You did once and that's it. Any significant impact of relation between Sri lanka or Nepal, none. I have to wait for maldives story.

Exactly, without China, it would have been all Indian monopoly. Last I checked Yameen is still in power? . Rajapaksa is out, but we got a 99 year port lease with the contents unknown and a verbal promise. . Guess who is coming back recently? Who do you think funded him? Do you get my point, China is giving them an alternative, you can play a RAW or two, and then China would do another game and it will even out. In the end, these people will have choices, and most of the time, China is a better choice than slumdog India. =). Chinese competition is good for them.

You are simply quoting few incidents with these countries and feeling good about China gaining something high and mighty. And speaking of exporting to EU. Your own export to EU by rail turned out to be expensive. While the countries along the route are in debt trap. That's why EU is investigating it. And UAE has industrial parks in India, do you think UAE gained some influence over Indian policies? Will Nepal promised they will reduce oil imports from India? No. They are just gaining some Chinese investments. You are having an orgasm over it.

A decade ago, we are not even a player in the IOR, India is the one panicking now, not us. You see, this is an economic venture, if it is expensive, the market will stop using that rail, on the contrary, the opposite is happening. Comparing UAE to China? Our aim is for Nepalis to have a choice and be less dependent on India, not cut off them completely, that's stupid and illogical. If Chinese oil is cheaper, buy Chinese, then the Indian trader will lower their prices, ultimately to the benefit of the Nepalis, without China, Nepal would be dependent on India forever. My point is not a zero sum game of total Chinese domination, my point is competition for the betterment of these countries, they will make the choice of whether supporting China is beneficial, same goes for the loans, etc. We didn't point a gun on the head? ANy sovereign nation can choose to take a loan from another country, EU can investigate and then what? Can they stop one country from taking on loan from another country? If the terms are bad, then go to India, and then it will make the Chinese give better terms. Ultimately competition is good for the market.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Exactly, without China, it would have been all Indian monopoly. Last I checked Yameen is still in power? . Rajapaksa is out, but we got a 99 year port lease with the contents unknown and a verbal promise. . Guess who is coming back recently? Who do you think funded him? Do you get my point, China is giving them an alternative, you can play a RAW or two, and then China would do another game and it will even out. In the end, these people will have choices, and most of the time, China is a better choice than slumdog India. =). Chinese competition is good for them.

Sure a port which China operates, where you don't have control over who ships through, or you cannot operate your Mil vassals. Save it. Rest of your comment is supa dupa China paying stuff.

A decade ago, we are not even a player in the IOR, India is the one panicking now, not us. You see, this is an economic venture, if it is expensive, the market will stop using that rail, on the contrary, the opposite is happening. Comparing UAE to China? Our aim is for Nepalis to have a choice and be less dependent on India, not cut off them completely, that's stupid and illogical. If Chinese oil is cheaper, buy Chinese, then the Indian trader will lower their prices, ultimately to the benefit of the Nepalis, without China, Nepal would be dependent on India forever. My point is not a zero sum game of total Chinese domination, my point is competition for the betterment of these countries, they will make the choice of whether supporting China is beneficial, same goes for the loans, etc. We didn't point a gun on the head? ANy sovereign nation can choose to take a loan from another country, EU can investigate and then what? Can they stop one country from taking on loan from another country? If the terms are bad, then go to India, and then it will make the Chinese give better terms. Ultimately competition is good for the market.

A decade ago India wasn't even a larger trade partner in these countries. We had very few influence over the politics, apart from us preventing a coup in the Maldives or helping Sri Lanka and so on. A decade back, the Madheshi protest will be impossible. Now, it's like the press of a button. We never had the influence on political elites in Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives. Now, their opposition is looking up to India. Mind you all these countries are democracies.

And India is all up for developed neighbors. Let them get the investments, infrastructure with Chinese money. We can benefit a lot from these types of development that happen in our neighborhood without spending much.
Speaking of EU, you cannot do certain things when you are in EU. There are provisions in some cases where you can import certain things from EU and not from outside. That's for EU member states.
https://euobserver.com/economic/139015

Lastly, Nepal exports mainly to India. And then to US. I don't know how a manufacturing powerhouse is going to import so many from Nepal.

 

[Han Patriot]

Sure a port which China operates, where you don't have control over who ships through, or you cannot operate your Mil vassals. Save it. Rest of your comment is supa dupa China paying stuff.

Why should we control ship movement in a sovereign country? Our job is to develop the port commercially and negotiate with the SL for military ship berthing, we can't force them to allow us to dock, we can only berth based on their invitation. You mean India can just send naval ships into SL anytime? . We paid for a port, they can't service the loan, we get a port. It's just business bhai, whether we use it as a leverage, well...we don't point a gun, we can only nudge them a little. Money talks alot rather than Indian hot air.

A decade ago India wasn't even a larger trade partner in these countries. We had very few influence over the politics, apart from us preventing a coup in the Maldives or helping Sri Lanka and so on. A decade back, the Madheshi protest will be impossible. Now, it's like the press of a button. We never had the influence on political elites in Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives. Now, their opposition is looking up to India. Mind you all these countries are democracies.

Ok, so sending in troops into SL and Maldives, funding the LTTE, ehmm no influence at all eh? . India had near monopoly on all of these countries until recently, now all of a sudden you are so humble bhai? Thanks to China, now they have a choice, it can be governemnt for China or opposition, doesn't matter, as long as we give them a choice and prevent a India monopoly. Things would be good for both China and those countries.

And India is all up for developed neighbors. Let them get the investments, infrastructure with Chinese money. We can benefit a lot from these types of development that happen in our neighborhood without spending much.
Speaking of EU, you cannot do certain things when you are in EU. There are provisions in some cases where you can import certain things from EU and not from outside. That's for EU member states.
https://euobserver.com/economic/139015

Lastly, Nepal exports mainly to India. And then to US. I don't know how a manufacturing powerhouse is going to import so many from Nepal.

Exactly, we don't want a zero sum game, it is about the economy and joining the Chinese trading system. We invited India into OBOR, you guys, turn it into a war zone. China is not interested to invade India, it's just to check India and prevent Inida from being naughty with our friends. Imagine, without China, Maldives would have been invaded weeks ago. Hello bhai, we sell things which we can sell, we don't sell drugs okay. If Nepalis want to sell rugs there, they can use our rail if it's cheaper or not under blockade. Are you really so thick skulled, we are giving them a choice, get it? If there is only India, and India does a blockade, it's all over and India can pressure them. With China, we give them an alternative. Either way, it a lose to India since you can't be a monopoly anymore and a win win for China and those countries.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Why should we control ship movement in a sovereign country? Our job is to develop the port commercially and negotiate with the SL for military ship berthing, we can't force them to allow us to dock, we can only berth based on their invitation. You mean India can just send naval ships into SL anytime? . We paid for a port, they can't service the loan, we get a port. It's just business bhai, whether we use it as a leverage, well...we don't point a gun, we can only nudge them a little. Money talks alot rather than Indian hot air.

Who said anything about India sending ships? It's not like Singapore where we can send our navy.
You cannot dock your mil vessel any time soon.

Exactly, we don't want a zero sum game, it is about the economy and joining the Chinese trading system. We invited India into OBOR, you guys, turn it into a war zone. China is not interested to invade India, it's just to check India and prevent Inida from being naughty with our friends. Imagine, without China, Maldives would have been invaded weeks ago. Hello bhai, we sell things which we can sell, we don't sell drugs okay. If Nepalis want to sell rugs there, they can use our rail if it's cheaper or not under blockade. Are you really so thick skulled, we are giving them a choice, get it? If there is only India, and India does a blockade, it's all over and India can pressure them. With China, we give them an alternative. Either way, it a lose to India since you can't be a monopoly anymore and a win win for China and those countries.

I don't think OBOR will benefit us much like the Nepali. And I still think there is no reason for India to join OBOR. We simply do not see any benefits in joining it. But small countries who are deprived of much investment can enjoy the benefits. It seems you are just making a mountain out of molehill. Once you send oil shipments, fine. Did they stop importing oil from India since then? I think you should replace the people of Nepal with Han and their religion with Taoism or Buddhism/atheism. Then, I'll take you seriously on replacing India. All others are just hot air.

 

[Han Patriot]

Who said anything about India sending ships? It's not like Singapore where we can send our navy.
You cannot dock your mil vessel any time soon.

You see you can dock in SG due to the permission granted by a sovereign nation. You can't just send your ship without informing the Singaporeans, no sovereign nation will allow that. The reason they allow you is to earn money for servicing ships, they do that for almost all European/US navies.

We can only dock if SL allows us. This is their right, you need to stop having this Indian SUPA POWA mentality. This will only make your them hate you and push them towards us.

I don't think OBOR will benefit us much like the Nepali. And I still think there is no reason for India to join OBOR. We simply do not see any benefits in joining it. But small countries who are deprived of much investment can enjoy the benefits. It seems you are just making a mountain out of molehill. Once you send oil shipments, fine. Did they stop importing oil from India since then? I think you should replace the people of Nepal with Han and their religion with Taoism or Buddhism/atheism. Then, I'll take you seriously on replacing India. All others are just hot air.

You again as a sovereign nation have the right not to join but you cannot force others not to join and act as a bully. How many times i have to repeat this, it's not a zero sum game, it's competition and choice, of course they will import oil when there is no blockade. We are giving them political leverage and destroying Indian hegemonic monopoly. Why should we replace their people, we are not invading them, on the contrary, the ones kidnapping fair skinned ladies are Indians. We don't have a skin fetish bhai.