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July 2019, 23:00
  • Li & Fung is accelerating shift out of China due to trade war
  • Vietnam now ‘completely full’ as American retailers rush in

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Li & Fung Sees Supply Chains Shift Amid Trade War


Li & Fung Ltd. Group CEO Spencer Fung discusses how the U.S.-China trade spat is affecting the global supply chain.

The world’s largest supplier of consumer goods says China’s factories are getting “urgent and desperate” as worried U.S. retailers accelerate a move out of the country amid heightened trade tensions.

China will see more factory shutdowns as the trade war that’s roiled the global supply chain exacerbates an exodus, said Spencer Fung, chief executive officer of Li & Fung Ltd. The company, which designs, sources and transports consumer goods from Asia for some of the world’s biggest retailers including Walmart and Nike, is being pushed by American clients to shift production out of China.


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Spencer Fung

Photographer: Bobby Yip/Bloomberg

“U.S. clients are definitely very, very worried,” Fung said in an interview with Bloomberg. “Everyone is making razor-thin margins already and most people have a huge percentage in China. So if the biggest source increases the price by 25%, they are worried,” he said, referring to the scale of tariffsthreatened on all Chinese imports to the U.S. by President Donald Trump.

Though Fung didn’t specify Walmart by name, the U.S. retailer is the company’s second-biggest customer after Kohl’s, accounting for 7.6% of revenue, according to Bloomberg data. A spokeswoman for Walmart declined to comment.

Seismic Shift
Because of its position as middleman connecting American retail giants to low-cost Asian factories, Li & Fung has a unique, ground-level perspective of the seismic shifts taking place around the world due to the trade war. Although the U.S. and China have resumed talks on a deal, there are growing signs that the global supply chain, long reliant on China as the factory to the world, is being permanently transformed. Intel has said it’s reviewing its global supply chain, while others including Apple and Amazon are reportedly doing the same.

“Nobody’s investing, nobody’s buying. The trade war is causing people to stop investment because they don’t know where to put the money,” the Silicon Valley-trained CEO said. “Many people put the money into Vietnam with one tweet,” he said, referring to Trump’s habit of announcing American trade policy over the social media tool.

The Hong Kong-based supply chain and logistics provider, which relies heavily on trade between the world’s two biggest economies to make its fortune, will see China’s contribution to its total sourcing fall from 59% in 2015 to less than half this year for the first time.

‘Completely Full’
While Chinese factories suffer, manufacturers in other Asian hubs become beneficiaries -- up to a point. American retailers have already taken up all the manufacturing capacity in Vietnam in their rush out of China, said Fung, highlighting the lack of scale that prevents other destinations from fully substituting for China’s manufacturing might.

“Vietnam, for example, is full, completely full,” he said. “There’s no extra capacity for the U.S. companies to get in.”

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A clothing factory in Bac Ninh province, Vietnam.

Photographer: SeongJoon Cho/Bloomberg
Chinese factories, meanwhile, are lowering asking prices in their desperation, creating an opportunity for European and Japanese consumer brands. Li & Fung is advising its non-U.S. clients to move in and take advantage of the mature supply chain and lower costs.

“It is a buying opportunity for European and non-U.S. retailers,” Fung said, “In China, there are a lot of factories with less and less orders. They’re offering actually pretty good prices to anybody.”

Li & Fung, which started its trading business 113 years ago, has seen a steep profit declinein the last five years as the rise of e-commerce platforms like Alibaba and Amazon cut out the middleman, and its retail clients faced waves of store closures. Fung said that core operating profit will continue to decline this year, but he stressed that he’s “seeing the bottom.”

The company’s shares, which fell 71% last year, climbed 2.7% in Hong Kong trading Wednesday, breaking a six-day losing streak.

Fung, whose great-grandfather Fung Pak-Liu established the company in 1906, sees the havoc currently being wreaked in the established global supply chain as an opportunity for Li & Fung’s re-emergence. Its 50-country sourcing network means it can nimbly shift out of China as clients desire, and its investment in technology like 3D virtual sampling will cut costs and save time, he said.

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An employee works on a 3D graphic rendering.

Photographer: Bobby Yip/Bloomberg
The company is at the tail-end of a three-year restructuring plan that simplified its structure through divesting non-core businesses and streamlining operations.

“It’s like you’re flying a plane, you’re losing altitude,” said Fung. “But now one after another, I see the indicators turning green. I can actually see that the altitude loss is reducing and we’re actually pulling that plan back up”.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tens-chinese-factories-existence-li-fung-says
 
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Vietnamese factories run at full capacity?

That is quicker than expected.

Highnoon to massive increase capacity!

Other countries will benefit otherwise.

@UKBengali @Marine Rouge
 
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Vietnam alone cannot absorb the production for US. Most likely Bangladesh will be involved as well. Some mid tier stuff will go to Malaysia/Thailand. This year marks China's transition from exports to domestic higher end consumption. Good luck Vietnam! A few more decades of sweatshops will be your destiny, I see Vietnamnese being so proud of this.
 
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Vietnamese factories run at full capacity?

That is quicker than expected.

Highnoon to massive increase capacity!

Other countries will benefit otherwise.

@UKBengali @Marine Rouge
True, when u come to some important ports in Saigon(biggest ports in the South) , Hai Phong (biggest ports in the North) u will see traffic jam happen everyday due to hundred thousand truck load and unload cargo everyday.
 
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July 2019, 23:00
  • Li & Fung is accelerating shift out of China due to trade war
  • Vietnam now ‘completely full’ as American retailers rush in

0:02
Li & Fung Sees Supply Chains Shift Amid Trade War


Li & Fung Ltd. Group CEO Spencer Fung discusses how the U.S.-China trade spat is affecting the global supply chain.

The world’s largest supplier of consumer goods says China’s factories are getting “urgent and desperate” as worried U.S. retailers accelerate a move out of the country amid heightened trade tensions.

China will see more factory shutdowns as the trade war that’s roiled the global supply chain exacerbates an exodus, said Spencer Fung, chief executive officer of Li & Fung Ltd. The company, which designs, sources and transports consumer goods from Asia for some of the world’s biggest retailers including Walmart and Nike, is being pushed by American clients to shift production out of China.


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Spencer Fung

Photographer: Bobby Yip/Bloomberg

“U.S. clients are definitely very, very worried,” Fung said in an interview with Bloomberg. “Everyone is making razor-thin margins already and most people have a huge percentage in China. So if the biggest source increases the price by 25%, they are worried,” he said, referring to the scale of tariffsthreatened on all Chinese imports to the U.S. by President Donald Trump.

Though Fung didn’t specify Walmart by name, the U.S. retailer is the company’s second-biggest customer after Kohl’s, accounting for 7.6% of revenue, according to Bloomberg data. A spokeswoman for Walmart declined to comment.

Seismic Shift
Because of its position as middleman connecting American retail giants to low-cost Asian factories, Li & Fung has a unique, ground-level perspective of the seismic shifts taking place around the world due to the trade war. Although the U.S. and China have resumed talks on a deal, there are growing signs that the global supply chain, long reliant on China as the factory to the world, is being permanently transformed. Intel has said it’s reviewing its global supply chain, while others including Apple and Amazon are reportedly doing the same.

“Nobody’s investing, nobody’s buying. The trade war is causing people to stop investment because they don’t know where to put the money,” the Silicon Valley-trained CEO said. “Many people put the money into Vietnam with one tweet,” he said, referring to Trump’s habit of announcing American trade policy over the social media tool.

The Hong Kong-based supply chain and logistics provider, which relies heavily on trade between the world’s two biggest economies to make its fortune, will see China’s contribution to its total sourcing fall from 59% in 2015 to less than half this year for the first time.

‘Completely Full’
While Chinese factories suffer, manufacturers in other Asian hubs become beneficiaries -- up to a point. American retailers have already taken up all the manufacturing capacity in Vietnam in their rush out of China, said Fung, highlighting the lack of scale that prevents other destinations from fully substituting for China’s manufacturing might.

“Vietnam, for example, is full, completely full,” he said. “There’s no extra capacity for the U.S. companies to get in.”

800x-1.jpg

A clothing factory in Bac Ninh province, Vietnam.

Photographer: SeongJoon Cho/Bloomberg
Chinese factories, meanwhile, are lowering asking prices in their desperation, creating an opportunity for European and Japanese consumer brands. Li & Fung is advising its non-U.S. clients to move in and take advantage of the mature supply chain and lower costs.

“It is a buying opportunity for European and non-U.S. retailers,” Fung said, “In China, there are a lot of factories with less and less orders. They’re offering actually pretty good prices to anybody.”

Li & Fung, which started its trading business 113 years ago, has seen a steep profit declinein the last five years as the rise of e-commerce platforms like Alibaba and Amazon cut out the middleman, and its retail clients faced waves of store closures. Fung said that core operating profit will continue to decline this year, but he stressed that he’s “seeing the bottom.”

The company’s shares, which fell 71% last year, climbed 2.7% in Hong Kong trading Wednesday, breaking a six-day losing streak.

Fung, whose great-grandfather Fung Pak-Liu established the company in 1906, sees the havoc currently being wreaked in the established global supply chain as an opportunity for Li & Fung’s re-emergence. Its 50-country sourcing network means it can nimbly shift out of China as clients desire, and its investment in technology like 3D virtual sampling will cut costs and save time, he said.

800x-1.jpg

An employee works on a 3D graphic rendering.

Photographer: Bobby Yip/Bloomberg
The company is at the tail-end of a three-year restructuring plan that simplified its structure through divesting non-core businesses and streamlining operations.

“It’s like you’re flying a plane, you’re losing altitude,” said Fung. “But now one after another, I see the indicators turning green. I can actually see that the altitude loss is reducing and we’re actually pulling that plan back up”.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tens-chinese-factories-existence-li-fung-says
What Walmart is selling are basically low end shit which will move out of China sooner or later. When we are climbing up the ladder, there will always someone eating our dusts...
 
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What Walmart is selling are basically low end shit which will move out of China sooner or later. When we are climbing up the ladder, there will always someone eating our dusts...
How many of these high priced machines can you sell? China current huge USD cash pile comes mostly by selling cheap and medium stuffs to Walmart and co.

At lower end of products you are squeezed by Vietnam and other developing countries, and higher end you have little chance against Germany and Japan. You have competitive edge at medium products, but I don’t think that will last long.

With a bit of assistance of either Japan or Korea, Vietnam can make such drilling monster.
 
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Xi failed to create enough jobs for million Cnese lost jobs in trade war and those jobless Cnese r very angry now. CN is just like Syria , the Govt' failed to create enough good jobs and we all know those angry-jobless ppl will become rebels :cool:
Until now you are still not willing to bet with me. You say 2023 we will collapse right? Come on let's bet? =)
 
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Having worked for nearly a decade in a Shenzhen factory, and having dealt with Walmart USA, I can tell you that Walmart is a blood sucker. Most of the Chinese factories sold their merchandise to US buyers at paper thin profits of 10% or less, Walmart on the other hand easily earn more than 100% on FOB cost.

Therefore elimination of these low profit labour intensive factories is not a bad thing for China. Chinese factories should move upwards for more high tech industries and be less reliance on export of cheap low profit items.
 
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Having worked for nearly a decade in a Shenzhen factory, and having dealt with Walmart USA, I can tell you that Walmart is a blood sucker. Most of the Chinese factories sold their merchandise to US buyers at paper thin profits of 10% or less, Walmart on the other hand easily earn more than 100% on FOB cost.

Therefore elimination of these low profit labour intensive factories is not a bad thing for China. Chinese factories should move upwards for more high tech industries and be less reliance on export.
10 percent margin for factories is great. I don’t know why you complain.
Do you believe it’s only China that moves up the value chain? We do too. Vietnam has begun to mass manufacturer cars, bus, trucks, smartphones and other stuffs.

Drilling machines for Saigon and Hanoi metros



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whole asia,africa,russia and many countries of europe as well as gulf arab countries
they are already selling to those countries

Having worked for nearly a decade in a Shenzhen factory, and having dealt with Walmart USA, I can tell you that Walmart is a blood sucker. Most of the Chinese factories sold their merchandise to US buyers at paper thin profits of 10% or less, Walmart on the other hand easily earn more than 100% on FOB cost.

Therefore elimination of these low profit labour intensive factories is not a bad thing for China. Chinese factories should move upwards for more high tech industries and be less reliance on export of cheap low profit items.
walmart operates at 2% retail margin
 
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Until now you are still not willing to bet with me. You say 2023 we will collapse right? Come on let's bet? =)
I already said: if CN is not in chaos in 2023, then I will stop talking abt CN economy".

Having worked for nearly a decade in a Shenzhen factory, and having dealt with Walmart USA, I can tell you that Walmart is a blood sucker. Most of the Chinese factories sold their merchandise to US buyers at paper thin profits of 10% or less, Walmart on the other hand easily earn more than 100% on FOB cost.

Therefore elimination of these low profit labour intensive factories is not a bad thing for China. Chinese factories should move upwards for more high tech industries and be less reliance on export of cheap low profit items.
US actually went bankrupted in 2008 cirisis. Capitalist system is actually collapsed. Deutsche bank just collapsed, US ppl already bankrupted and survive till now just by money borrowing from CN,JP etc.

We dont care if stupid Walmart buy our products or not, we just wait for the collapse of both US-CN and then, we and Russia will annex more lands :cool:
 
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