Vision: common borders between Turkey-Georgia-Azerbaijan

[xenon54 out]

sorry guys, Türk is written like this:

Yeah your right now i remember.

 

[Timur]

there is a translator for orhon script: Bilgitay Orhun Yazıcısı

sorry guys, Türk is written like this:

as info from the site I have posted your version is TÜRÜK

 

[telkon]

there is a translator for orhon script: Bilgitay Orhun Yazıcısı



as info from the site I have posted your version is TÜRÜK

i don't care what bilgitay says. in original orkhon inscriptions it's written as i posted. check out original kül tigin inscription for example. southern wall, first section second line (first line is "teñri teg teñride"): bolmuş türk bilge ... same wall third section second line: anıg yok türk...

edit: i completely forgot that türk was pronounced türük during that time. that's why it's written türük in orkhon inscriptions.

 

[Timur]

edit: i completely forgot that türk was pronounced türük during that time. that's why it's written türük in orkhon inscriptions.

its ok

 

[KingMamba]

Where do you want to get that tattooed? You could also choose for something like this:

If I was a Turk I would get some sort of wolf tattoo, wolves play a part in Turkish mythology if I remember correctly right?

@atawolf when you say tengri, do you mean the Muslim God or the tengri God. Just wondering.

I always taught tengri was what Turks called Allah, I worked with some Turks who used both interchangeably.

 

[telkon]

If I was a Turk I would get some sort of wolf tattoo, wolves play a part in Turkish mythology if I remember correctly right?



I always taught tengri was what Turks called Allah, I worked with some Turks who used both interchangeably.

wolf was the totem of ashina clan who were Gokturk Empire founders. afterwards, in Turkey, state propaganda was centered around gokturks being first empire using turk in its name. so, modern turks who grow up after the establishment of the republic know wolf as turkish totem (thanks to MHP, nationalist party) while it's not. oguz turks can be traced to tiele turks and their totem was a bird LOL (read post #15)

Tengri (or correctly Teñri) is a supreme god in turkic pantheon. in modern anatolian turkish it's tanrı. some turkish islamists say tanrı can't be used for allah.

 

[atatwolf]

If I was a Turk I would get some sort of wolf tattoo, wolves play a part in Turkish mythology if I remember correctly right?



I always taught tengri was what Turks called Allah, I worked with some Turks who used both interchangeably.

I would like to have tattoo of a wolf but a lot of people see it as a symbol of extremist nationalism. Also a lot of muslims reject tattoo as "halal".

Turks had/have all fauna as their totems. while wolf was the totem of ashina clan, many of that clan's wives had goat (teke) totem as attested by tattooes on their left arms. shato turks had grouse (çil) as totem, kyrgyz had doe (ak maral), uyghurs had some little zoo LOL uranhai had bear and tiger, some siberian tribes had deer and bear etc.

I never read this. Where did you get that from? Source?

 

[telkon]

I would like to have tattoo of a wolf but a lot of people see it as a symbol of extremist nationalism. Also a lot of muslims reject tattoo as "halal".


I never read this. Where did you get that from? Source?

I didn't understand which part of the post you're referring to. But I must say that I have that info from books. mainly russian ones. The part about teke tattooes I read in an article in 2001 or 2002 (or maybe 2000). Tho, I don't remember (naturally) who was the writer or what was the name of mentioned article. Same is applicable to other parts. I mean, I'm interested in history in general and in turkic history in particular since I was 13-14 y.o. And now I'm 36. So all that knowledge has accumulated over time and there's no possibility of tracing what comes from which source LOL

 

[atatwolf]

I didn't understand which part of the post you're referring to. But I must say that I have that info from books. mainly russian ones. The part about teke tattooes I read in an article in 2001 or 2002 (or maybe 2000). Tho, I don't remember (naturally) who was the writer or what was the name of mentioned article. Same is applicable to other parts. I mean, I'm interested in history in general and in turkic history in particular since I was 13-14 y.o. And now I'm 36. So all that knowledge has accumulated over time and there's no possibility of tracing what comes from which source LOL

I meant Turkic symbols other than the wolf. I read general history of Turkic peoples but I never came across that. Can you read Russian?

 

[telkon]

I meant Turkic symbols other than the wolf. I read general history of Turkic peoples but I never came across that. Can you read Russian?

you won't find that kind of info in books on general history. and yes i know russian. actually i'm trilingual (uzbek, kyrgyz, russian)

 

[atatwolf]

you won't find that kind of info in books on general history. and yes i know russian. actually i'm trilingual (uzbek, kyrgyz, russian)

I thought you also spoke Turkish because of your signature. Are Uzbek and Kirgiz understanbable to Turkish people?

 

[telkon]

I thought you also spoke Turkish because of your signature. Are Uzbek and Kirgiz understanbable to Turkish people?

LOL I forgot anatolian turkish. Anatolian is my primary language for the last 17 years. Ruyalarimi bile turkce goruyorum uzbek is more intelligible than kyrgyz because of many persian words. At first, you most probably won't understand that much, but you'll get hold of both languages in a short time. As I said before, anatolian turks from rural regions will understand CA turkics easily because their language isn't tainted with arabic and persian words that much.

 

[atatwolf]

LOL I forgot anatolian turkish. Anatolian is my primary language for the last 17 years. Ruyalarimi bile turkce goruyorum uzbek is more intelligible than kyrgyz because of many persian words. At first, you most probably won't understand that much, but you'll get hold of both languages in a short time. As I said before, anatolian turks from rural regions will understand CA turkics easily because their language isn't tainted with arabic and persian words that much.

Did you learned CA languages because of inerest or for business purposes?

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

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And there is on GREAT hadis of Turks is:
Don't FIGHT turks until they fight you
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and the greatist shiekh in Islam
Abu Hanifa bin nu'man
Bukhari
Muslim
and many other scholars...............

You want to say they were turks? or that they wrote the hadiths about turks?

 

[Timur]

And there is on GREAT hadis of Turks is:
Don't FIGHT turks until they fight you

you forgot that is not for shia they do not belive in hadithes from hz. aisha r.a. so many of our sholars are nothing for them they do not accept them like we do not accept their hadithes and their version so this is just for us..

You want to say they were turks? or that they wrote the hadiths about turks?

both about some they say yes.. imam abu hanifa they say he was persian or turkic.. but he did not realize difference about shia and sunni

so we all are going off topic