VIEW: Success lies in secularism —Dr Irfan Zafar

[Guest01]

Islam is whole social economic and political system it is not just limited to Prayers Fasting and Hajj its a whole way of life which included how to run governments what laws to make how to run economy

So why is a political/administrative system being imposed on the whole nation? There are several political parties, people can follow any one of them. It is basically like choice of voting. What is the exigency that this particular political system needs to be imposed over everyone in Pakistan who may support Islam as a political system or not? People can have the choice of voting and also the choice of religion then! Will that not be better?

 

[Bhairava]

Sir from this great Prinicpal we created the greatest civilization and ruled the world

Greatest civilization ? I doubt it.

In Size or Culture or scientific achievements or contribution to humanity ?

The kind of secularism with topping of Hinduism in India is not at all secularism in the first place.

Says who ?

 

[Vibs]

Is believing In Islam tantamount to abuse of Hinduism or any other religion?




The kind of secularism with topping of Hinduism in India is not at all secularism in the first place.

First part:Not that I know of unless you are a conservative roman catholic
Toppings of Hinduism? You really need to visit here someday.

 

[Xestan]

I wonder what's up with Bharatis here, Whatever system we adopt, it's none of your effing business, so kindly keep your mouths SHUT!

I remember once Napoleon said :

I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.

Letter to Sheikh El-Messiri, (28 August 1798); published in Correspondance Napoleon edited by Henri Plon (1861), Vol.4, No. 3148, p. 420

 

[ashokdeiva]

Ashok

You just don't get it -- Islam has not been implemented yet - when it is implemented (read fully weaponized) then you'll see the contribution

so as per your argument, implementing one religion(Islam) alone is going to rain peace and prosperity to the planet, is it so? if the answer is yes then there is no way anyone or even God himself can make you guys understand that humanity, kindness and humblness are things that makes us what we are and were for the last 5000 years of documented human evolution

 

[Guest01]

Is believing In Islam tantamount to abuse of Hinduism or any other religion?

Certainly not. And it was just original assertion about Islam in India that surprised me.

The kind of secularism with topping of Hinduism in India is not at all secularism in the first place.

So what exactly is the kind of secularism that is secularism in real then? What is the choiced "topping" on secularism that makes it that?

 

[Guest01]

so as per your argument, implementing one religion(Islam) alone is going to rain peace and prosperity to the planet, is it so? if the answer is yes then there is no way anyone or even God himself can make you guys understand that humanity, kindness and humblness are things that makes us what we are and were for the last 5000 years of documented human evolution

You got to read his post again Ashok. Muse is on a sarcastic trip today


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[ashokdeiva]

I wonder what's up with Bharatis here, Whatever system we adopt, it's none of your effing business, so kindly keep your mouths SHUT!

I remember once Napoleon said :

I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.

Letter to Sheikh El-Messiri, (28 August 1798); published in Correspondance Napoleon edited by Henri Plon (1861), Vol.4, No. 3148, p. 420

Nepolean might have been one of the greatest warrior the world came accross, but he surely is an idiot for saying what is stated above.
if he belived in Quran, why did Allah made him a broken man during his death.

 

[Janubaba]

Greatest civilization ? I doubt it.

In Size or Culture or scientific achievements or contribution to humanity ?



Says who ?

Sir in both in size to and also by its contribution towards Science sir and also by teach people how to respect humanity it was so strong that wherever it went People Religion Language and whole lifestyle changed

 

[Guest01]

I wonder what's up with Bharatis here, Whatever system we adopt, it's none of your effing business, so kindly keep your mouths SHUT!

I remember once Napoleon said :

I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.

Letter to Sheikh El-Messiri, (28 August 1798); published in Correspondance Napoleon edited by Henri Plon (1861), Vol.4, No. 3148, p. 420

Excellent. I am sure that by the principles of Qoran, the world can be a better place. Why just Qoran, I believe that all holy books have principles which can make the world a fantastic place.

The problem arises when British made laws such as blasphemy becomes parts of the original Qoran narrative. I hope that you now see what exactly is "effing".


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[Bhairava]

Sir in both in size to and also by its contribution towards Science sir and also by teach people how to respect humanity it was so strong that wherever it went People Religion Language and whole lifestyle changed

There were many civilizations that exceeded the Islamic (read: Arab) empire in Size and in Scientific achievements.

Please don't spout this BS and continue on secularism.

 

[Janubaba]

Excellent. I am sure that by the principles of Qoran, the world can be a better place. Why just Qoran, I believe that all holy books have principles which can make the world a fantastic place.

The problem arises when British made laws such as blasphemy becomes parts of the original Qoran narrative. I hope that you now see what exactly is "effing".


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Sir Quran is the only book which is present in its original form ask your own scholars about your books they will say many things have been included by man so Quran is the only book which now humanity has to follow

 

[ashokdeiva]

The kind of secularism with topping of Hinduism in India is not at all secularism in the first place.

If you are not aware how my country works, let me reframe facts for you.
India is a nation where majority of its religion is Hindu and yet they accepted Abdul Kalam a Muslim to be their commander in chief by occupying the highest post in the country and a Cristian women (Sonia Gandhi) as the Chair person of its current government.

Hope now you can understand how secular my country is and how much Hindus and Muslims, Cristians and Sikhs are co-existing here

 

[ashokdeiva]

Sir Quran is the only book which is present in its original form ask your own scholars about your books they will say many things have been included by man so Quran is the only book which now humanity has to follow

And this is called as a blind man and his idiotism.

 

[Bhairava]

Sir Quran is the only book which is present in its original form ask your own scholars about your books they will say many things have been included by man so Quran is the only book which now humanity has to follow

Kuran was NOT written immediately in the time of Mohammed.

It was written roughly 140 years after his death by various others as "his" word.

So you can imagine how many clauses were inserted later on to suit the situation then.