@Mr Ejaz
If you are muslim then listen very carefully.You indian muslims grand children of Moulana Azad and like him suffer from congressi mentality should not tell us what should be the system in Pakistan.our paths are long separated.for you your country and for us our country.
Now what exactly is this bullshit of secularism is?from where exactly it comes?who are its fathers?why in Christian world this is a concept that state and religion should be separated?
Answers:
There are three people who are considered as fathers of Secularism
George Jacob Holyoake ,Charles Bradlaugh,Francis Bacon
Secularism:is the separation of a government, organisation or institution from religion and/or religious beliefs.
Jacob Holyoake is the person who coined the term Secularism.
Person who gave the concept that religion and state should be separated:
Charles Bradlaugh
After a brief spell as a Sunday school teacher, he became disturbed by discrepancies between the Thirty-nine Articles of the Anglican Church and the Bible. When he expressed his concerns, the local vicar, John Graham Packer, accused him of atheism and suspended him from teaching.[2] He was thrown out of the family home and was taken in by Elizabeth Sharples Carlile, the widow of Richard Carlile, who had been imprisoned for printing Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason. Soon Bradlaugh was introduced to George Holyoake, who organized Bradlaugh's first public lecture as an atheist. At the age of 17, he published his first pamphlet, A Few Words on the Christian Creed.
Charles Bradlaugh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Some Quotes of Charles Bradlaugh
-Atheist, without God, I look to humankind for sympathy, for love, for hope, for effort, for aid.
-A ground frequently taken by
Christian theologians is that the progress and civilization of the world are due to Christianity; and the discussion is complicated by the fact that many eminent servants of humanity have been nominal Christians, of one or other of the sects.
My allegation will be that the special services rendered to human progress by these exceptional men have not been in consequence of their adhesion to Christianity, but in spite of it, and that the specific points of advantage to human kind have been in ratio of their
direct opposition to precise Biblical enactments.
-Atheism is without God. It does not assert no God.
-There is a court to which I shall appeal: the court of public opinion.
-Is poverty of spirit the chief amongst virtues, that Jesus gives it prime place in his teachings? Is it even a virtue at all? Surely not. Manliness of spirit, honesty of spirit, fullness of rightful purpose, these are virtues; poverty of spirit is a crime.
-When Jesus began to be about thirty years of age he was baptized by John in the River Jordan. John, who knew him, according to the First Gospel, forbade him directly he saw him; but, according to the Fourth Gospel, he knew him not, and had, therefore, no occasion to forbid him. God is an "invisible spirit," whom no man hath seen (John i. 18) or can see (Exod. xxxiii. 20); but the man John saw the spirit of God descending like a dove. God is everywhere, but at that time was in heaven, from whence he said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Although John heard this from God's own mouth, he did not always act as if he believed it, but some time after sent two of his disciples to Jesus to inquire if he were really the Christ (Matt. xi. 2, 3).
-Jesus being hungry went to a fig-tree to gather figs, though the season of figs was not yet come. Of course there were no figs upon the tree, and Jesus then caused the tree to wither away. This is specially interesting as a problem for a true orthodox trinitarian who will believe, first, that Jesus was God, who made the tree, and prevented it from bearing figs; second, that God the all-wise, who is not subject to human passions, being hungry, went to the fig-tree, on which he knew there could be no figs, expecting to find some there; third, that God, the all-just, then punished the tree because it did not bear figs in opposition to God's eternal ordination.
-God is a spirit. Jesus was led up of the Spirit to be tempted of the Devil; and it is also true that spirits are very likely to lead men to the Devil. Too intimate acquaintance with whisky toddy overnight is often followed by the delirium tremens and blue-devils on the morrow. We advise our readers to eschew alike spirituous and spiritual mixtures. They interfere sadly with sober thinking, and play the Devil with your brains.
-On the Cross the Jesus of the Four Gospels, who was God, cried out " My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" God cannot forsake himself, Jesus was God himself. Yet God forsook Jesus, and the latter cried out to know why he was forsaken. Any able divine will explain that of course he knew, and that he was not forsaken. The explanation renders it difficult to believe the dying cry, and the passage becomes one of the mysteries of the holy Christian religion, which, unless a man rightly believe, "without doubt he shall perish everlastingly."
-I cannot follow you Christians; for you try to crawl through your life upon your knees, while I stride through mine on my feet.
Positive Atheism's Big List of Charles Bradlaugh Quotations
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ark ages of EUROPE and role of Church
So in short we muslims and Islam is not responsible for blunders of Church.
islam is not just name of some beliefs but it is complete way of life.
For you your religion,for us our religion.
Non-Pakistanis should not interfere in our internal matters.
