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Wednesday, October 10, 2012


VIEW : Siachen: a costly war for Pakistan and India — Major Wajahat Ullah Safi



It is of paramount importance that both the countries must find an immediate solution to the problem, which must not be less than an unconditional withdrawal from Siachen Glacier by both.


Siachen Glacier, first discovered in 1907, is the world’s longest glacier outside the polar regions, measuring 47 miles in length and three miles in width while rising to about 23,272 feet until Indrakoli Pass (Turkistan la). The glacier emanates from here near the Indrakoli Pass on the Pakistan-China border, 37 aerial miles southeast of K-2, the second highest mountain in the world. It then runs along the Saltoro Range in southeasterly direction until its snout turns into the Nubra River near Dzingrulma in Indian-held Kashmir. The glacier is flanked by the Saltoro Range in the west and can be approached from the Balti town of Khapalu, Pakistan. The only other access to the glacier is along Nubra River, ascending from south to northwest in Indian-occupied Ladakh. The Saltoro Range inside Pakistan provides access to Siachen through its five passes, Sia la (23,960 feet), Bilafond la (20,210 feet), Gyong la (18,500 feet), Yarma la (20,000 feet) and Chulung la (19,000 feet). It is on these perennially snowbound heights and passes that the Indian and Pakistani armies are entrenched.

On July 27, 1949, Pakistan and India signed the Karachi Agreement (also known as the Ceasefire Agreement), which established a ceasefire line running through the territory of Jammu and Kashmir. By this time, India controlled and occupied over two-thirds of Kashmir. This ceasefire line was established by experts from the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan (UNCIP) as well as the Indian and Pakistani armed forces, and drawn up according to the countries’ military positions at the time of the ceasefire. The line started from a point near Chamb in Jammu and ran north in a rough arc for 497 miles, then headed northeastward to a point called NJ 9842 (map reference point). The point is located about 12 miles north of Shyok River in the Saltoro Range of the Karakoram Mountains. From this point north to the Chinese border, the area was left undemarcated because of its physical inaccessibility and the fact that neither country had military troops stationed there. The costly Siachen conflict is over this undemarcated, approximately 50-mile stretch of icy wasteland in the disputed territory of northern Kashmir.

India insists that, according to the agreement, the ceasefire line beyond NJ 9842 runs northward to the Chinese border through the glaciated region, putting Siachen Glacier under its control. Pakistan disagrees, claiming that the 1949 Karachi Agreement contained no reference to a border ceasefire line beyond NJ 9842. In fact, India has violated both the 1972 Simla Agreement and the 1949 Karachi Agreement by unilaterally crossing the line of control and occupying Siachen Glacier in 1984. The Indians occupied the heights and the key northern passes of Sia la and Bilafond la on the Saltoro Range and later towards the south to Chullung la.

It has been 28 years since both the Indians and Pakistanis are entrenched at Siachen facing each other. Throughout the conflict, India has claimed the right to control all of Kashmir, including Siachen, regardless of the Karachi agreement. In fact, the Siachen Glacier is part of the Northern Areas of Pakistan in the disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir and has been under its administrative control from 1947 to 1984. Many mountaineering and trekking expeditions were sent to the area during this period, authorised by the Pakistan government. As early as 1957, the Imperial College of London asked the Pakistan authorities for permission to send an expedition to Siachen. Many other international expeditions, including one by an Austrian team (in 1961) and three by Japanese groups (in 1962, 1975 and 1976), sought Pakistani authorisation to visit Siachen’s nearby mountain peaks and glaciers. In addition, many international mountaineering, trekking journals and guide books refer to Pakistan as the governmental authority in the Siachen area like Britannica Atlas, the National Geographic Society’s Atlas of the World, The Times Atlas of the World and the University of Chicago’s A Historical Atlas of South Asia. They all place Siachen Glacier and the surrounding territory within the borders of Pakistan.

For the last 28 years, countless lives from both the sides have been lost more due to the hard climate and rugged glaciated terrain than firefights and skirmishes. Both the countries are developing; have poor economies, and the majority of the population of both are deprived of the basic amenities of life, yet both are spending millions of dollars out of their defence budget in maintaining and sustaining the troops at Siachen. The recent episode of Gayari Sector in which the complete battalion headquarters of the Pakistan army was crushed when an overhanging glacier broke loose in the shape of a massive avalanche and buried 145 soldiers alive, calls for an immediate solution to the problem. Human lives — whether Pakistani or Indian — are precious and especially when they are being lost for such a useless icy wasteland. This then raises serious questions for the rulers of both the countries. Pakistan and India have emerging economies and both the nations need to do a lot to improve the lives and general condition of their civilian population where many live below the poverty line.

India is spending much more as compared to Pakistan on the Siachen Glacier and its side of the logistics route. It needs mostly air transportation by helicopters to sustain its frontline troops, which entails a very heavy cost on its defence budget. It is, therefore, of paramount importance that both the countries sit at the table to find an immediate solution to the problem, which must not be less than an unconditional withdrawal from Siachen Glacier by both. It shall help relieve their ailing economies and more so shall save precious human lives. Such a withdrawal by both countries shall protect the natural environment of the glacier (which is a main source of water for both). It is high time now that Pakistan and India resolve all their outstanding issues including Kashmir, Sir Creek, Siachen, distribution of water as per the Indus Water Treaty as well as both sides learning to respect each other’s sovereignty. The goodwill between both the countries shall ultimately benefit the masses in terms of peace, progress and prosperity.

The writer is a former officer of the elite Armoured Corps Regiment, Staff Captain (A) of an Independent Armoured Brigade Group during escalation with India in 2001-02, commander of an armour squadron on an internal security operation at Sui-Dera Bugti in 2003-06 and General Staff Officers Operations of two Corps of Pakistan Rangers (Punjab). He is also a former national level hockey player and holds an Army gold in the 33rd Para Central Meet-2005
 
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Every now & then one reads such articles.

What the author chooses to ignore is the offer from India to withdraw provided the current positions are validated, marked and accepted.

If this is unacceptable to Pak and PA then status quo shall remain.

After the last sneaky attempt at kargil does anyone expect the IA to give up only to fight its way back there ?

As regards the expenses, these expenses have possibly been factored in and can be afforded.

I maintain, in India there is no shortage of funds - there is a shortage of honest men to apply them where its meant for.
 
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India troops is on Siachin glacier not Pakistan then why they unnecessarily want us to withdraw from our position. Siachin is the national pride of India so how much we lost/losing is not matters.After Kargil incident such withdrawal is impossible in addition India never trust Pakistan.
 
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it started with Pakistan giving approval for western expedition teams.


The conflict in Siachen stems from
the incompletely demarcated territory
on the map beyond the map
coordinate known as NJ9842 . The
1972 Simla Agreement did not clearly
mention who controlled the glacier,
merely stating that from the NJ9842
location the boundary would proceed
"thence north to the glaciers." UN
officials presumed there would be no
dispute between India and Pakistan
over such a cold and barren region.


according to a now retired Pakistani
army colonel. "They ordered Arctic-
weather gear from a London
outfitters who also supplied the
Indians," says the colonel. "Once the
Indians got wind of it, they ordered
300 outfits—twice as many as we had
—and rushed their men up to
Siachen."


Siachen conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Very well written article by Major Wajahat Ullah Safi of Armoured Corps Regiment, Pakistan Army; It is paramount that there must be de-escalation in hostilities and proper accords be drafted wherein both parties can agree to. India is trying to build better infrastructure in siachen to ensure that proper troop levels can be maintained, that sure puts a dent in the budget, but in recent time as higer priority has been assigned to siachen, Indian army doesn't view it to be wasteful spending.

As far as, poor populace and better utilization of funds is concerned, on both sides there is tremendous wasteful spending and heavy coruption in other sectors which amount to nearly 100 to 150 times of what is being spent on siachin.
 
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It is a well known fact that Indian troops are at a higher position....So request of withdrawal, if any, must come from Indian side.

We are fine even in much severe conditions. Why to talk it again and again?
 
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Finalize and extend the LOC by authenticating the current troop positions, then both parties can withdraw, simple isn't it?

pakistan want everything should happen how it wants , but they have to gv us siachin in order to save some $$$ and troops lives. IA never gonna back from thr untill pakistan agree on thr demands no matter what GOI says.:confused:
 
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Events that led up to siachin conflicts have been discussed, dragged and killed nth times on the forum, lets not get into that same story of who did what, why, and whose version of agreements is correct, what needs to be discussed is how can this situation be amicable resolved. What kind of compromises can be made on a distant horizon, What are the implications of making certain provisions by either sides bring down troop concentration in such treacherous terrain.
 
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Wednesday, October 10, 2012


VIEW : Siachen: a costly war for Pakistan and India — Major Wajahat Ullah Safi


It is of paramount importance that both the countries must find an immediate solution to the problem, which must not be less than an unconditional withdrawal from Siachen Glacier by both.

Sorry to say but its not possible!

As India has already made its stand clear on this issue, we are ready to withdraw but only after validation,and proper marking and acceptance of current positions at Siachen Glacier. Anything less then this wont be acceptable due to Historical event in the same region.

And if pakistan isn't ready to accept these conditions of withdrawal then be our guest! No one's in a Hurry on this side of border!

Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!
 
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Sorry to say but its not possible!

As India has already made its stand clear on this issue, we are ready to withdraw but only after validation,and proper marking and acceptance of current positions at Siachen Glacier. Anything less then this wont be acceptable due to Historical event in the same region.

And if pakistan isn't ready to accept these conditions of withdrawal then be our guest! No one's in a Hurry on this side of border!

Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!

Well said !!

Nothing in this world other than a mothers love for her child is unconditional.
 
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Every now & then one reads such articles.

What the author chooses to ignore is the offer from India to withdraw provided the current positions are validated, marked and accepted.

If this is unacceptable to Pak and PA then status quo shall remain.

After the last sneaky attempt at kargil does anyone expect the IA to give up only to fight its way back there ?


As regards the expenses, these expenses have possibly been factored in and can be afforded.

I maintain, in India there is no shortage of funds - there is a shortage of honest men to apply them where its meant for.

Not withstanding who first initiated the sneaky occupation some thirty years earlier, and by conservative estimates, it's India which fares worst in both monetary and men losses.
On an average, defence experts say, one Pakistani soldier is killed every third day on the Siachen Glacier, showing approximately 100 casualties every year on an average. Similarly, one Indian soldier is killed every other day on the Siachen Glacier, at an annual average of 180 casualties. According to unofficial figures, over 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have lost their lives on the bloody Siachen Glacier between April 1984 and April 2012 as against over 5,000 Indian casualties. At present, there are approximately 7,000 Indian Army troops and about 4,000 Pakistani troops stationed at the Siachen Glacier.
 
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Our labs have been successfully innovating high altitude gizmos which has made the life of our soldiers less stressful . There are plenty of threads here on high altitude innovations and solutions.

The losses ..monetary and human has been brought to nil. So we can afford to stay atop for our own interest until adversary agrees to mark the positions.
 
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Not withstanding who first initiated the sneaky occupation some thirty years earlier, and by conservative estimates, it's India which fares worst in both monetary and men losses.


India is ok with its losses and can afford them( though when it comes to defence of the nation they are no financial losses) , like I said they possibly have been factored in.

Yet India is willing to withdraw - but not unconditionally.
 
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