Vietnamese smartphones launched in Spain

[Peaceful Civilian]

Let see public response. There are some competitors difficult to beat w.r.t price & same specification.

 

[GS Zhou]

You are typical brainwashed Chinese by propaganda of CPC in China ! so why Vietnamese hate Chinese !
Do you know who is the owner of Vsmart in Vietnam ?

So what?

Beggar or billionaire here refers to the technology advancement. You can read my posts above. Or you can run a check on WIPO website on your own.

Sorry, if anyone in this thread is brainwashed, it is YOU and your beloved German friend viet, not others.

 

[Kai Liu]

You are typical brainwashed Chinese by propaganda of CPC in China ! so why Vietnamese hate Chinese !
Do you know who is the owner of Vsmart in Vietnam ?

He is Pham Nhat Vuong, belong to 239 richest people in the world with real time net worth around 8 bill USD as of 3/22/19...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phạm_Nhật_Vượng

https://www.forbes.com/profile/pham-nhat-vuong/#7cac1516382e

Sorry, this is not the reason for vietnamese to hate Chinese... Otherwise, you will hate everyone... I am not supposed to know some vietnamese "rich" man, who ranked 239 on Forbes.. We know Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, or one or two more, that's it...
That said: there is no choice for this man no matter how rich he is: when people invest their money on EVs, on E-commerce, on big data, on AI, on space shuttle, etc... As a vietnamese, he can only invest his money on some old ICE cars and phones... I am a straightforward and frank person, but vietnam really got no technology to present here, that's why your countryman "viet" always been make fun of here...

So what?

Beggar or billionaire here refers to the technology advancement. You can read my posts above. Or you can run a check on WIPO website on your own.

Sorry, if anyone in this thread is brainwashed, it is YOU and your beloved German friend viet, not others.

Exactly. Beggar vs billionaire here is the the analogy between vn and China in technology, or in smartphones to be specific.

 

[GS Zhou]

Vingroup uses BQ patents and technology

hi girl, tell us what kind of BQ patents Vingroup could use.

here is the WIPO page. Show us please.
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/structuredSearch.jsf

 

[Viet]

that's rebadge. No matter how you beautify it, it is basically a BQ phone in the essence, but bearing a new logo.

now it is the time to test if Spain people could love a rebadged BQ phone with a new logo from vn. People in Spain obviously dislike the BQ phone. Will they fall in love with a BQ phone using a vn brand?


BQ patent? Wait, what kind of patents BQ has?

I searched on the WIPO webpage (World Intellectual Property Organization).
Using the name "BQ", there are 10 matching records. Four from "BQ Media Lab", an Australia-based company; six from "BQ Toy", a Chinese toy company.

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I then switch to another name: Mundo Reader, which according to the BQ website, is the company that behind the BQ brand.
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But the WIPO website said, there is NO patents owned by Mundo Reader.
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Now I switch to Xiaomi, the company that you think your crap can beat. The WIPO database shows there are 10,934 patents under Xiaomi.
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Cannot understand why VINgroup acquires a company with NO technology, NO brand influnece, and NO market share. Maybe simply because it is an European brand, so people in vn could feel proud of it?

You are too negative. The sheer number of patents mean little. @Martian2 once mentioned Taiwan possesses 1,000 patents in LED technology. Seriously, who in the world needs 1,000 LED patents? One is enough. I bet, China is not different.

Quality matters, not the sheer number. Can you make money of 10,000 Xiaomi patents? and what are those patents for? Sorry, does the company claim patent for everything? Including how to fold a carton? Worthless.

Can you give me some examples what patents they are so we can discuss?

 

[GS Zhou]

You are too negative. The sheer number of patents mean little. @Martian2 once mentioned Taiwan possesses 1,000 patents in LED technology. Seriously, who in the world needs 1,000 LED patents? One is enough. I bet, China is not different.

Come on girl, no need to shift to other topics.
it is you to brag that your vn company is now using the BQ patent. But tell us which BQ patent you can use? Or maybe BQ has some Mars technology so its patent is registered on Mars so we human on Earth can not find the record?

Patent number does not tell every thing. One company with 15k patent, another with 18k patent, it not necessarily means the 18k one is better/more advanced than the 15k one. But now the question is, your overly-bragged BQ has ZERO patents. ZERO. While the one you want to beat has 11k.

A company with NO brand reputation, NO technology accumulation, NO market share. And you make the brag for such stupid thing??

Enjoy the brag.

Quality matters, not the sheer number.

You have no idea on manufacturing industry. You think quality has no link to R&D?
A stuff with higher durability, but lighter in mass and smaller in size, that means countless engineering efforts, hence R&D required and patent generated; an optimization on the manufacturing line, so product could be produced in bigger quantity, but no loss on quality, that means countless engineering efforts, hence R&D required and patent generated; an improvement on the working tool, hence better quality generated and less labor or machining hours required, R&D please hence patent generated.

Sorry girl, you maybe smart on software or coding, but you don't know how the manufacturing industry is working.

Vingroup uses BQ patent

Show us the BQ patent that you claimed please.

 

[Viet]

Let see public response. There are some competitors difficult to beat w.r.t price & same specification.

Ok but today we can celebrate, the people in Spain have a smile on face because more choices are available. Most importantly if the company succeeds we will certainly create more jobs in Spain

Come on girl, no need to shift to other topics.
it is you to brag that your vn company is now using the BQ patent. But tell us which BQ patent you can use? Or maybe BQ has some Mars technology so its patent is registered on Mars so we human on Earth can not find the record?

Patent number does not tell every thing. One company with 15k patent, another with 18k patent, it not necessarily means the 18k one is better/more advanced than the 15k one. But now the question is, your overly-bragged BQ has ZERO patents. ZERO. While the one you want to beat has 11k.

A company with NO brand reputation, NO technology accumulation, NO market share. And you make the brag for such stupid thing??

Enjoy the brag.


You have no idea on manufacturing industry. You think quality has no link to R&D?
A stuff with higher durability, but lighter in mass and smaller in size, that means countless engineering efforts, hence R&D required and patent generated; an optimization on the manufacturing line, so product could be produced in bigger quantity, but no loss on quality, that means countless engineering efforts, hence R&D required and patent generated; an improvement on the working tool, hence better quality generated and less labor or machining hours required, R&D please hence patent generated.

Sorry girl, you maybe smart on software or coding, but you don't know how the manufacturing industry is working.


Show us the BQ patent that you claimed please.

Different country different approach. Do you expect everyone follows China approach with R&D? Most countries can’t afford it. Your thinking is too flat. It’s you! that brag with China having numerous patents. Check your own threads.

 

[GS Zhou]

It’s you! that brag with China having numerous patents. Check your own threads.

yes girl, I have threads about China's WIPO patents growth. But these threads are strictly quoting the data from WIPO, a UN-owned agency for IP/Patents topic. I do not say anything more than the WIPO report content, nor less. I never make any claim like "this one patent could cover all difficulties of LED". I never said anything similar. Because I know how the R&D work is done. I know all great tech breakthrough is nothing but the SUM of countless small-step & humble progress. Can a fact-based thread be called brag? I don't think so.

On the opposite side, it is actually you that keeping making groundless / fake claims. And this thread is just another common example to show your big mouth.

Now tell us, where is the BQ patents? the WIPO database has NO record on BQ's patent record. Or maybe you have the access to the the patent registration database on Mars, which has the record of BQ?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Ok but today we can celebrate, the people in Spain have a smile on face because more choices are available. Most importantly if the company succeeds we will certainly create more jobs in Spain
.

Congrats & Best of luck.
No doubt Nothing beats indigenous product. Good to see that even in this tough competition & giant companies, you are making place in other country . This is good for economy as well.

 

[Viet]

yes girl, I have threads about China's WIPO patents growth. But these threads are strictly quoting the data from WIPO, a UN-owned agency for IP/Patents topic. I do not say anything more than the WIPO report content, nor less. I never make any claim like "this one patent could cover all difficulties of LED". I never said anything similar. Because I know how the R&D work is done. I know all great tech breakthrough is nothing but the SUM of countless small-step & humble progress. Can a fact-based thread be called brag? I don't think so.

On the opposite side, it is actually you that keeping making groundless / fake claims. And this thread is just another common example to show your big mouth.

Now tell us, where is the BQ patents? the WIPO database has NO record on BQ's patent record. Or maybe you have the access to the the patent registration database on Mars, which has the record of BQ?

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Silly question. Is WIPO is the only database for patents in the world? What’s about national database? It’s a common sense the owner takes everything from the target company when takeover is complete. Patents included.

 

[GS Zhou]

Silly question. Is WIPO is the only database for patents in the world? What’s about national database? It’s a common sense the owner takes everything from the target company when takeover is complete. Patents included.

show us the national database, or Mars database record then. We are very eager to learn.

 

[Viet]

show us the national database, or Mars database record then. We are very eager to learn.

You are lazy. How about use google to find the URL? Oh google is forbidden in China?

 

[GS Zhou]

You are lazy. How about use google to find the URL? Oh google is forbidden in China?

haha, you are again inviting face clap.

OK, let me do you a favor to tell you how many patents BQ has in her home country Spain.

I tried the names of BQ, and Mundo Reader (the owner of the BQ brand). The record is ZERO again.

Even Huawei has about 1,500 patents that directly registered in Spain.

It’s a common sense the owner takes everything from the target company when takeover is complete. Patents included.

I don't know if the vn company really does the check on patent. Maybe they check the Mars database and found lots of top techs owned by BQ. Congrats.

 

[Viet]

haha, you are again inviting face clap.

OK, let me do you a favor to tell you how many patents BQ has in her home country Spain.

I tried the names of BQ, and Mundo Reader (the owner of the BQ brand). The record is ZERO again.

Even Huawei has about 1,500 patents that directly registered in Spain.
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I don't know if the vn company really does the check on patent. Maybe they check the Mars database and found lots of top techs owned by BQ. Congrats.

I don’t like your negative sentiment.Are all Chinese always hostile to any positive development in Vietnam?
Spain has smart people, most importantly they cooperate with us(unlike you), patents or not don’t matter. Nokia is the last smartphone maker in Europe. How about thinking which country in East Asia will snap it?

Can you check if Nokia has patents?

Thx advance for your effort!

 

[GS Zhou]

Spain has smart people, most importantly they cooperate with us(unlike you)

of course Spain has many smart people. For example,

The previous owner to BQ is definitely a super smart guy. Because he is able to sell the crap BQ (NO brand reputation, NO technology accumulation, NO market share) to vn at a good price, and make the vn feel thrilled still.

The ordinary Spain people are also very smart. Because they clearly understand the BQ phone is a crap, so they choose much more trustable brands like Samsung, Huawei, Apple and Xiaomi.