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gambit Again a long post.
Let's not waste our Pakistan friends resource ok. I answered you most of your points in the previous post so I don't think I evaded you or something.
I educated this forum on many facts and truths about the VN War, such as it was Ho and the Viet Minh who invited France back into VN. So do not worry about me, worry about your continuing failed arguments.
You are fighting for a lost cause. Even if one day Communism VN falls, and a new govt rises, I am sure that they will never use the name Republic of Vietnam, or use the yellow red-strips flag. It's easy to understand for people to avoid using things of the dead, in this case a dead govt.
You should know by now to never say never. After all, what is today's name for Leningrad ?
The contanst stream of refugee to SV were mostly landlords or French-supported VNese fearing of being punished or people with properties fearing communists would take all from them. They were, like you, afraid of communists enough to fled their hometowns, their lands to "tha hương cầu thực", seeking refugee in the unfamiliar lands.
Truly...Communism make people stupid, and you are proof of that.
You are saying that the hundreds of thousands of refugees, in the 1950s after the Viet Minh took power in North VN and during the war, all of them were 'landlords' ?
How sad that a young man's mind have been so brainwashed.
If that is true, then why did the communists tried so hard to prevent so many from leaving, in the 1950s and during the war ? You mean you did not know that the communists tried to prevent the refugee flow ? I am shocked at your ignorance. Just kidding, son. I expected such ignorance.
Communism, as the political expression of Marxism, is about power, which translate to control, or more specifically, the
NEED to control. It is about control of everything about the person. You, a sheeple, mindlessly bleated the Party line about 'landlords' as if owning anything, not just land, is an evil thing to do. And you protest that I called you a communist ? It is about subtraction and denial. For a communist, the more you lack from either him taking things away from you or to deny opportunities to possess things, the more power the communist have over you. One of the best way to immediately impute a negative moral attribute to private property, as if anyone who owns anything got it thru immoral means, usually theft. In China, the Chinese communists separated husbands and wives, then put their children into state control. In essence, communism is anti-family, or more accurately,
MUST be anti-family because the family is a demand on loyalty, attention, and resources.
For a communist, anything that divert attention away from the state must be remedied, if not by re-education, then by death. I was schooled in Thủ Đức and spend summers in
Sài Gòn. In 1975, my grandparents decided to stay in VN because they believed that they were too old and too retired from government service to be of any threat to the communists. We fled and they stayed. The communists turned the school I grew up in into a prison, aka reeducation camp, and my grandparents died under torture in the school their grandsons learned their alphabets and math. When grandfather was young, he saw how brutal the Việt Minh was in NVN, so as eldest, he led most of the family clan southward. In NVN, he worked hard and owned his home and the land under it, but he was not a 'landlord' in the evil sense you tried to portrayed him. They abandoned everything they could not carried on their bodies and left. Those of the clan who stayed behind -- died. Predictably. After unification, they died probably the same ways their relatives died earlier. Did you know that the communists often gave animal bones to relatives who wanted to give their family dead proper burials ? Could be the bones from the dinner gà kho.
So what do you call the 'boat people' who fled after unification ? Landlords ? Traitors ? Those tragic people were more foresighted than you are, kid. They fled because they knew the evils of communism. But in a way, you are more fortunate than they because you have only been brainwashed and do not know of the evils of the ideology you now defends.
Tell me, did they find better life in SV?[/USER]
So what does that mean ? That the unknown back then should have compelled them to stay ? I know my life is much better than yours. This shows how little you know about human nature, except only what The Party spoon fed you.
Oh paper number paper number, tell me how many US advisors in the SV army actually held rifles and fought battles, even before the US officially joined VN war? I believe the number was close to your 60,000. And support troops like atillery, helicopter pilots could not cause some serious casualities in the war? Give me a break.
Stop trying to defend your ignorance. You brought on half a mil of US troops to try to portray the ARVN as worthless, but now you learned the truth of military organization and of how wrong you were, you create a diversion.
A corrupted democracy is no better than a corrupted communism govt. A good dictatorship can be as good as a democratic govt. Different systems, all run by human. Why can't you see the corruption of SV govt yet you are picky about communism NV? At least NV didn't pour poison above the forest and the field, forbiding farmers to work.
Yes, of course. The dream of a benevolent dictator. Let us know when you find or create one.
Now your last sentence is disturbing. While many of NV soldiers fought solely for the unification of VN, and died for it,
you'd rather leave half of your brethens to wither and rot in poverty, while enjoying the fake luxury life of yours? Unlike Korea which both North and South were evenly developed by the Japanese, VN 3 parts were developed differently by the French. You at least know that much right. 3 parts, NVN followed the landlord system, SVN followed capitalist system while Hue-Da Nang area kept the old imperial system. That created difference and seperation between VNese, and we couldn't effectively unify and fight the French. That also created people like you, who only selfishly cared for yourself while your compatriots suffered. That's you, @
gambit.
The Americans have a saying: 'Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.'
South Korea sent annual aid to North Korea, anything from food to industrial supplies to even money. Did it got North Korea anywhere ? Speculate that partition came to be. What do you want an economically prosperous SVN to do ? Continually feed NVN ? South Vietnam did not want communism. The resistance to that was obvious enough. Why do you have a hard time accepting that ?
