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Currency manipulator label likely to hamper 'China plus one' strategy
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Garment workers seen at a factory in Haiphong: Vietnam now has the fourth-largest trade surplus against the U.S. (Photo courtesy of the International Labour Organization)

TOMOYA ONISHI, Nikkei staff writerDecember 18, 2020 00:50 JSTUpdated on December 18, 2020 01:54 JST

HANOI -- Washington's decision to designate Vietnam as a currency manipulator was triggered by the Southeast Asian country's rapidly expanding trade surplus against the U.S.

Vietnam's surplus has grown to $58 billion in the past 12 months leading up to June, ranking Hanoi fourth among American trade partners and surpassing Japan's $57 billion. In the first 10 months of this year, Vietnam ranks in the top three, trailing only China and Mexico.

The currency manipulator label, applied by the U.S. Treasury Department on Wednesday, likely will impact Vietnam's national strategy of attaining economic development by luring foreign direct investment.

The designation is based on the size of a country's trade surplus with the U.S., the level of its current-account surplus and whether the nation has repeatedly intervened in the currency market. Vietnam met all three criteria.

In its semiannual report submitted to Congress, the Treasury accused Vietnam of devaluing its currency for "purposes of preventing effective balance of payments adjustments and gaining unfair competitive advantage in international trade."

The U.S. has applied pressure on Vietnam over the past few years. In 2018 and 2019, Washington slapped punitive tariffs on Vietnamese-made steel products.

President Donald Trump has called Vietnam the "single worst abuser of everybody."

"A lot of companies are moving to Vietnam, but Vietnam takes advantage of us even worse than China. So there's a very interesting situation going on there," he said in an interview with Fox Business Network, ahead of the Group of 20 summit in Osaka in June 2019.

Vietnam has become a poster child for the "China plus one" business strategy in which many companies have diversified production away from Chinese soil. Vietnam's expansive workforce helped draw a record $38 billion in approved foreign direct investment last year, up 7.2% from 2018 and an 80% leap from a decade earlier.

In 2019, Samsung Electronics relocated all of its smartphone production in China to Vietnam. The South Korean tech giant accounts for one-quarter of Vietnam's total exports by value.


Other Asian giants with plants in Vietnam include, Canon, Toyota Motor, Honda Motor, Panasonic, LG Electronics, Hyundai Motor, TCL Technology and Foxconn Technology.

The coronavirus pandemic also served to lift Vietnam's exports to the U.S. Vietnam quickly contained the first wave of infections, which proved key in helping companies avoid major obstructions to manufacturing activities. Manufacturers in surrounding countries experienced interruptions in the supply chain, prompting them to move part of their production capacity to Vietnam.

The weak dong, Vietnam's currency, has been a another major factor in luring foreign companies. Over the past decade, the dong has depreciated 16% against the dollar, giving it an export advantage.

When measured by the real effective exchange rate, which takes into account trade flows and home country price levels, it has risen 23% over the same period.

The Treasury report on Wednesday noted that the dong was 8.4% undervalued on a real effective basis in 2018, citing estimates from the International Monetary Fund.

"Vietnam intervened largely in one direction in 2019 and the outset of 2020, purchasing large amounts of foreign exchange reserves during a period of ample global liquidity, while net purchases then declined notably as global financial conditions tightened amid the COVID-19 pandemic," the Treasury wrote. "Throughout this period and amid drastically changing global conditions, the authorities allowed almost no movement of the dong against the U.S. dollar."

The State Bank of Vietnam, the central bank, responded Thursday by saying the country's management of the exchange rate contributed to stabilizing the macroeconomy. The bank also said it has lower foreign currency reserves than do surrounding countries.

Vietnam likely will attempt to avoid sanctions by engaging with the U.S. at the negotiating table.

"Even if they are able to escape sanctions, the U.S. pressure on Vietnam regarding trade will continue," said Koji Sako, a senior analyst at Mizuho Research Institute.

The tensions between Washington and Hanoi amid the transition to President-elect Joe Biden's White House could impact Southeast Asia and the surrounding region. Vietnam is a key partner in the American campaign to counter China's expansionist activities in the South China Sea.

China is Vietnam's largest trading partner. Hanoi has worked to combat that dependency by coaxing Japanese and South Korean companies to set up shop in Vietnam. This policy has produced a larger trade surplus with the U.S.

"If investors pull money from Vietnam's financial assets, it could shake the stability of the dong," said Toru Nishihama, chief economist at Dai-ichi Life Research Institute. Such a development could alter how multinationals select manufacturing locations, the economist said.

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Biden administration likely pushes Vietnam harder to buy more US products.
As bonbon he will open the market for Vietnam cars.
 
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Vietnam already meets two of the three criteria for a currency manipulator, with a surplus of more than $20 billion with America and a current-account surplus of more than 3% of GDP.
 
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With such a large trade surplus, it will be difficult for companies who want to use Vietnam as their manufacturing base to expand their product sales to USA. Trump latest decision to put Vietnam as currency manipulator will also make potential Vietnam foreign investor who seek US market as their main potential export to think twice before realizing their investment in Vietnam.

While Indonesia only has 12 billion USD trade surplus with USA so I think there are still much room to grow before US start targeting Indonesia. Malaysia trade surplus with USA has also surpassed 20 billion ceiling with 27 billion USD surplus recorded in 2019. Thailand trade surplus with USA is 20.1 billion USD in 2019 but Thailand currency seems to grow stronger so this country is unlikely to be called as currency manipulator.
 
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Vietnam already meets two of the three criteria for a currency manipulator, with a surplus of more than $20 billion with America and a current-account surplus of more than 3% of GDP.

Vietnam's "rise" will be cut off shortly by automation, sanctions and global warming. They are far less developed and far less powerful than China or even India in 2008 yet they've already started drawing the same attention to themselves.
 
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With such a large trade surplus, it will be difficult for companies who want to use Vietnam as their manufacturing base to expand their product sales to USA. Trump latest decision to put Vietnam as currency manipulator will also make potential Vietnam foreign investor who seek US market as their main potential export to think twice before realizing their investment in Vietnam.

While Indonesia only has 12 billion USD trade surplus with USA so I think there are still much room to grow before US start targeting Indonesia. Malaysia trade surplus with USA has also surpassed 20 billion ceiling with 27 billion USD surplus recorded in 2019. Thailand trade surplus with USA is 20.1 billion USD in 2019 but Thailand currency seems to grow stronger so this country is unlikely to be called as currency manipulator.
Actually our trades with the US is still too little. Probably just achieving 10 percent of potentials. The bar $20b surplus is too low, compared to the giant US economy is nothing.
If the US seriously think to stop buying China products the only alternative is Vietnam.
I mean Walmart needs to fill the shelves with wares. Where to get if not from Vietnam. Or Mexico.
 
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As long as their is no 25% tariff on products shipped from Vietnam, foreign companies will keep shifting jobs to Vietnam due to low cost of producing.
 
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With such a large trade surplus, it will be difficult for companies who want to use Vietnam as their manufacturing base to expand their product sales to USA. Trump latest decision to put Vietnam as currency manipulator will also make potential Vietnam foreign investor who seek US market as their main potential export to think twice before realizing their investment in Vietnam.

While Indonesia only has 12 billion USD trade surplus with USA so I think there are still much room to grow before US start targeting Indonesia. Malaysia trade surplus with USA has also surpassed 20 billion ceiling with 27 billion USD surplus recorded in 2019. Thailand trade surplus with USA is 20.1 billion USD in 2019 but Thailand currency seems to grow stronger so this country is unlikely to be called as currency manipulator.
The compensation for firing ID workers is still too high ( 15 months compared to 1 or 2 monthsin VN), that's why JP companies still chose VN,Thailand instead of ID, after they quit CN.
 
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The compensation for firing ID workers is still too high ( 15 months compared to 1 or 2 monthsin VN), that's why JP companies still chose VN,Thailand instead of ID, after they quit CN.
Omfg, that's bigger than in most US states, and Canada. It's freaking bigger than in welfare cheque totting France.
 
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Omfg, that's bigger than in most US states, and Canada. It's freaking bigger than in welfare cheque totting France.
Yeah, that's why no investors wanna come to ID. They wanna make money, not losing money.

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It will reduce severance pay to a maximum of 19 months salary, depending on how long the employee has had the job. Previously the maximum was 32 months pay.
 
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Vietnam's "rise" will be cut off shortly by automation, sanctions and global warming. They are far less developed and far less powerful than China or even India in 2008 yet they've already started drawing the same attention to themselves.

Vietnam itself contributed to this by playing cute and cuddly to their US papa, and inviting them into Asian matters.

They needed to stay low.
 
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The compensation for firing ID workers is still too high ( 15 months compared to 1 or 2 monthsin VN), that's why JP companies still chose VN,Thailand instead of ID, after they quit CN.

So far alhamduliLLAH our FDI is still bigger than Vietnam with positive FDI growth as well and the data is taken before Omnibus Law is passed (around November 2020).

Indonesia FDI (2005,2010,2015,2019)
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Vietnam FDI

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Yeah, that's why no investors wanna come to ID. They wanna make money, not losing money.

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It will reduce severance pay to a maximum of 19 months salary, depending on how long the employee has had the job. Previously the maximum was 32 months pay.
 
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So far alhamduliLLAH our FDI is still bigger than Vietnam with positive FDI growth as well and the data is taken before Omnibus Law is passed (around November 2020).

Indonesia FDI (2005,2010,2015,2019)
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Vietnam FDI

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Yes, but ID FDI mainly focus on smelting, mining, construction ( debt trap), not abt exporting to earn money.

So, if big countries like CN, EU-US stop buying your natural resources, then ID will fall into trouble like Venezuela or Australia.
Vietnam itself contributed to this by playing cute and cuddly to their US papa, and inviting them into Asian matters.

They needed to stay low.
At least we don't bow down and kiss daddy Jap and US like CN in 1978 :lol:
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Yes, but ID FDI mainly focus on smelting, mining, construction ( debt trap), not abt exporting to earn money.

So, if big countries like CN, EU-US stop buying your natural resources, then ID will fall into trouble like Venezuela or Australia.

LOL our construction investments are mainly made by government and state owned companies. Look like you rely your data from Western youtuber statement.

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BPJT data also shows that accumulated toll road investment as of 2020 has grown by a modest 5.5 percent year-on-year (yoy) to Rp 729.54 trillion (US$51.38 billion) from the 2019 figure of Rp 691.43 trillion. Domestic banks, both private and state-owned ones, led the new investments, while there was no foreign direct investment (FDI) in toll road development last year.


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About Natural resources you also still rely on Western journalist statement that comes from Indonesia old data, but they dont want to update their knowledge since belittle Indonesian is part of their intention to decrease Indonesian image around the world.

Indonesia’s manufacturing industry recorded US$94.36 billion in exports in January-September this year, contributing 80.5 percent to the country’s total exports for the period.

“It means that our industry sector is still aggressively penetrating the international market amid this difficult time as an impact of the COVID-19 pandemic,” head of the Data and Information Center of the Industry Ministry, R Janu Suryanto, said here on Friday.

According to the Central Statistics Agency (BPS), Indonesia’s total exports in January-September, 2020 were valued at $117.19 billion, with the manufacturing industry accounting for 80.5 percent of the exports.


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2019 encouraging data


The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in Indonesian global shipments during 2019. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from Indonesia.

  1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$39 billion (21.3% of total exports)
  2. Animal/vegetable fats, oils, waxes: $13.8 billion (7.5%)
  3. Electrical machinery, equipment: $13.3 billion (7.3%)
  4. Footwear: $7.4 billion (4.1%)
  5. Iron, steel: $7.1 billion (3.9%)
  6. Vehicles: $7 billion (3.8%)
  7. Gems, precious metals: $6.9 billion (3.7%)
  8. Machinery including computers: $6.7 billion (3.7%)
  9. Rubber, rubber articles: $6.4 billion (3.5%)
  10. Clothing, accessories (not knit or crochet): $5.2 billion (2.8%)

Indonesia’s top 10 exports approached two-thirds (61.5%) of Indonesia’s total exports.

Electrical machinery and equipment was the fastest grower among the top 10 export categories, up by 50.5% from 2018 to 2019. In second place for improving export sales was footwear. Indonesia’s shipments of iron and steel posted the third-fastest gain in value up by 23.5%.

 
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LOL our construction investments are mainly made by government and state owned companies. Look like you rely your data from Western youtuber statement.

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BPJT data also shows that accumulated toll road investment as of 2020 has grown by a modest 5.5 percent year-on-year (yoy) to Rp 729.54 trillion (US$51.38 billion) from the 2019 figure of Rp 691.43 trillion. Domestic banks, both private and state-owned ones, led the new investments, while there was no foreign direct investment (FDI) in toll road development last year.


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About Natural resources you also still rely on Western journalist statement that comes from Indonesia old data, but they dont want to update their knowledge since belittle Indonesian is part of their intention to decrease Indonesian image around the world.

Indonesia’s manufacturing industry recorded US$94.36 billion in exports in January-September this year, contributing 80.5 percent to the country’s total exports for the period.

“It means that our industry sector is still aggressively penetrating the international market amid this difficult time as an impact of the COVID-19 pandemic,” head of the Data and Information Center of the Industry Ministry, R Janu Suryanto, said here on Friday.

According to the Central Statistics Agency (BPS), Indonesia’s total exports in January-September, 2020 were valued at $117.19 billion, with the manufacturing industry accounting for 80.5 percent of the exports.


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2019 encouraging data


The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in Indonesian global shipments during 2019. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from Indonesia.

  1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$39 billion (21.3% of total exports)
  2. Animal/vegetable fats, oils, waxes: $13.8 billion (7.5%)
  3. Electrical machinery, equipment: $13.3 billion (7.3%)
  4. Footwear: $7.4 billion (4.1%)
  5. Iron, steel: $7.1 billion (3.9%)
  6. Vehicles: $7 billion (3.8%)
  7. Gems, precious metals: $6.9 billion (3.7%)
  8. Machinery including computers: $6.7 billion (3.7%)
  9. Rubber, rubber articles: $6.4 billion (3.5%)
  10. Clothing, accessories (not knit or crochet): $5.2 billion (2.8%)

Indonesia’s top 10 exports approached two-thirds (61.5%) of Indonesia’s total exports.

Electrical machinery and equipment was the fastest grower among the top 10 export categories, up by 50.5% from 2018 to 2019. In second place for improving export sales was footwear. Indonesia’s shipments of iron and steel posted the third-fastest gain in value up by 23.5%.

Just like I said, so many Investors r fleeing CN to avoid trade war, even CN parts suppliers also flee CN to VN. That's why we r happy to see another ASEAN countries also can attract te investment withdrawing from CN.

But we only see investors come to VN,Thai,Malaysia bcs VN is similar to CN but no trade war while Thai,Malaysia can pay cheap compensation money when they wanna fire migrant workers. Factories like Luxshare, Pegatron, CN part suppliers still don't come to ID. Severance pay could be a main obstacle, but I think your so called "Democracy" Capitalist system the main problem just like Karl Marx said.
 
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Yes, but ID FDI mainly focus on smelting, mining, construction ( debt trap), not abt exporting to earn money.

So, if big countries like CN, EU-US stop buying your natural resources, then ID will fall into trouble like Venezuela or Australia.

At least we don't bow down and kiss daddy Jap and US like CN in 1978 :lol:
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Talking about kissing someone, no one can beat the vietnamese when they kiss their Chinese daddy:
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And the mutual respect between big nations you little kid will never understand:
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