Vietnam to sue Chinese company to get back coffee brand name

[Götterdämmerung]

as you said, we must stop new inventions, we should focus all resources for stealing. right?

Err, you have some kind of comprehension problem? Where did I say we should stop inventing things? Didn't I say that we should not rest on our laurels and keep investing in new technology, R&D and always be a step ahead of our competitors?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Let me tell you one thing. I have been many times to the Paris fashion shows doing reports and at any show. You see lots of journalists, buyers and photographers. Now, not all photographers are working for a magazin or a a media company. Many of them are professional designers of international companies like H & M or Zara.

And guess what! Right after the show, these pictures are sent to their respective headquarters and a whole bunch of other designers are making blueprints for the next collection making billions of dollars. BUT, by the end of the day, it's Gucci, Hermés, Dior and Prada, etc. who get the limelights and they still earn handsomely. Why? Because they are the true innovators always a step ahead of their cheap imitators and are rewarded accordingly by the affluent clients.

 

[ChinaToday]

Vietnam has completed drafting all the documents required to claim back the right to its Buon Me Thuot coffee trademark which was granted to a Chinese company, Tuoi Tre newspaper reported Monday.

The law firm of Pham & Associates, representing the Central Highlands province of Dak Lak in taking legal action against Guangzhou Buon Ma Thuot Coffee Co. Ltd, had earlier asked the company to sell the brand name back for US$8,000.
But the Buon Me Thuoc Coffee Association and Dak Lak people’s committee decided to sue when the company demanded a higher price, the head of the law firm, Pham Vu Khanh Toan, said.

The case might go on for two to three years, but Vietnam has the edge due to the evidence it has, he said.
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Vietnam likely to take back patent to coffee brand: lawyer

Vietnam stands a chance of claiming back the patent right to its famous Buon Ma Thuot coffee brand, which has been recently granted to a Chinese company in China, a lawyer told Thanh Nien Thursday.

Pham Vu Khanh Toan, head of Pham & Associates – the law firm contracted to represent the Central Highlands province of Dak Lak in taking legal actions against China-based Guangzhou Buon Ma Thuot Coffee Co. Ltd., made the statement on the sidelines of a conference on protecting the brand held in Dak Lak on November 3.

He said Chinese laws dictate that a brand isn’t eligible for patent registration if its product is found not to have originated from the same place as it is showed in the brand’s geographic indications.

In fact, a prestigious Chinese firm that specializes in intellectual copyright said the two brands – BUON MA THUOT and Chinese characters, and BUON MA THUOT COFFEE 1986 – granted to the Chinese company would probably be invalidated, because Buon Ma Thuot coffee brand’s geographic indications were already recognized and registered in Vietnam, Toan stressed.

Buon Ma Thuot Coffee Association will provide evidence showing that the Chinese company used to do business with local businesses that helped it gain awareness of the brand and therefore registered it later in China, the lawyer said.

Additionally, Buon Ma Thuot is a geographical name in Vietnam and its Chinese translation makes no sense, Toan said. He said the patent to the brand was granted in Vietnam back in 2005, while it wasn’t registered in China until last year and this year.

In a report published Thursday, Tuoi Tre said that Guangzhou Buon Ma Thuot Coffee Co. Ltd was granted the 10-year patents to the brands in November 2010 and June 2011.
According to Toan, he is trying to win the case at Chinese State Administration for Industry and Commerce’s Trademark Appeal Board to avoid bringing it to court which is more time-consuming and costly.

The lawyer anticipated that the proceedings would take between two and three years, but he also said with support from Vietnamese diplomatic agencies, it would be shorter.

Previously, Doan Kim Ca, secretary of the Buon Ma Thuot Coffee Association, said that his association would apply for rights to the brand in 16 countries, including the US and Japan.
By Tran Ngoc Quyen, Thanh Nien News

So basicly we paid $8000 for the name and after we developed the brand several years later you wanted the name back but you insist we have to sell on the original price that we paid. now i know why viets are sucks at business.

 

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I appreciate some products owned by Chinese as Midea, Lenovo... But I hate China's fake products very much. They produce too many fake products ... If you cheer for the production of fake goods, it is like you praise a thief that he did well.

i hate fake products too, but they fill an important role in the economy: giving the poor access to things they would never ever have otherwise.

it is better to have a bad phone than no phone. it is better to have a fake air conditioner than no air conditioner.

 

[ChinaToday]

It is a bitter lesson for our business when Vietnam global integration.
Vietnam businesses must pay more attention to the protection of their brand.

The Chinese are always willing to do faked goods or anything when it is preferred in the world.

Dont talk trash you viets will not think twice if you can fake anything that make money.

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My brother always wanted to own anything good of me. it is narrow, right? in the future, we still respect him?

ya ya your brother needs to make enough money to take care of useless relatives like you hope you understand.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

i hate fake products too, but they fill an important role in the economy: giving the poor access to things they would never ever have otherwise.

it is better to have a bad phone than no phone. it is better to have a fake air conditioner than no air conditioner.

There is a lot of truth in this. Take the above example from me. How many of you or anyone even in developed countries can buy real Dior, Prada or Hermés? The majority of the world will probably end up with a fake from Zara or H&M. Even then, many people in developing countries cannot afford that.

 

[Truong Sa]

Never rest on your laurel!

Even though a lot of German products get plagiarised by Chinese and many other countries, we still maintain a leadership because we invest tons of money to be always a step ahead of our competitors. That's why I say current IPR is a hurdle to progress and fairness, as people/country/company are hindering developing countries access to technology and knowhow and also many are getting lazy and think that once I have a copyright, I can live of it for the rest of my life.

But not everyone have a lot of money and technology as Germans to they can always one step ahead of thieves.
Other side, the brand is not something that to change frequently.

 

[Truong Sa]

Dont talk trash you viets will not think twice if you can fake anything that make money.

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As I said, producing fake goods is like stealing. You should not laugh others when they did not steal.

 

[Truong Sa]

i hate fake products too, but they fill an important role in the economy: giving the poor access to things they would never ever have otherwise.

it is better to have a bad phone than no phone. it is better to have a fake air conditioner than no air conditioner.

Not everyone can distinguish the difference external of fake goods compared with genuine goods. But when they buy to use it then they realize its very bad quality. They felt cheated...

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Not everyone can distinguish the difference external of fake goods compared with genuine goods. But when they buy to use it then they realize its very bad quality. They felt cheated...

Hum, Viet culture is a copy of China, including their national dress-Aodai. will you give up your copy and creat your own?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

But not everyone have a lot of money and technology as Germans to they can always one step ahead of thieves.
Other side, the brand is not something that to change frequently.

Exactly, so the best solution would be to do what the Chinese do or else you'll be stuck forever in no-tech/low-tech. It's still too early for Vietnam to concern about brands. At this stage of development, it's learning, learning, learning and investing in education. The cheapest and easiest way to learn is to copy and walk on beaten track until you reached a certain maturity.

We did it, the US did it, the Japanese did it, the Chinese are still doing it, so there is nothing to be ashamed about learning from others. In fact, many of our "friends", e.g. the US and the French are still the biggest thieves of the German high-tech industry.

 

[Truong Sa]

Hum, Viet culture is a copy of China, including their national dress-Aodai. will you give up your copy and creat your own?

Nope, Ao Dai is the traditional dress of Vietnam, it's not of China. Cultural always exchanges, we have Bách Việt - Baiyue culture existing in Guangdong, Guangxi ...

 

[Truong Sa]

Exactly, so the best solution would be to do what the Chinese do or else you'll be stuck forever in no-tech/low-tech. It's still too early for Vietnam to concern about brands. At this stage of development, it's learning, learning, learning and investing in education. The cheapest and easiest way to learn is to copy and walk on beaten track until you reached a certain maturity.

We did it, the US did it, the Japanese did it, the Chinese are still doing it, so there is nothing to be ashamed about learning from others. In fact, many of our "friends", e.g. the US and the French are still the biggest thieves of the German high-tech industry.

We don't have many products, but our products are often stolen and copied. An example of a manufacturer's product our TOSY robot. TOSY launched robots toy, immediately flooded with product copy. Such theft will kill our industry ...

 

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Not everyone can distinguish the difference external of fake goods compared with genuine goods. But when they buy to use it then they realize its very bad quality. They felt cheated...

In this specific case, the Chinese company paid money for your brand name, so there's nothing wrong. They bought it, it is their's. You can't complain about this one.

You think China doesn't get our things copied? Our code got stolen by Google.

Google apologizes to Sohu: 'Oops, didn't mean to steal your code': Shanghaiist

E-Commerce News: Search: Google Apologizes to Sohu.com for 'Mistake'

 

[Truong Sa]

In this specific case, the Chinese company paid money for your brand name, so there's nothing wrong. They bought it, it is their's. You can't complain about this one.

You think China doesn't get our things copied? Our code got stolen by Google.

Google apologizes to Sohu: 'Oops, didn't mean to steal your code': Shanghaiist

E-Commerce News: Search: Google Apologizes to Sohu.com for 'Mistake'

Well, as I said there is a bitter lesson for our businesses. That lack of experience of our companies. They need to register their trademark.
With consumer, they are disadvantaged because of using fake Buon Me Thuot coffee while they think it is real Buon Me Thuot coffee...